JayAction.9056

Yes greenlink Renegade is ******* **horrible**.

You can look at my post history for more info.

I was playing the current “meta” build before it was “meta” back in 2015, and have been **top 10** multiple times on Rev **just to give you an idea** of who is speaking on this subject. I was also angered and felt ripped off of when I realized how bad Renegade was at POF release.

Renegade and shortbow have received a roughly ~1000% damage increase (yes 1000%) across their skills and and they are still subpar. Actually the only reason Renegade is used is because it brings a damage increase to the two condi weapons available to core Rev. Both of which require a near stationary target to do damage.

Renegade has **zero** personal defense and brings **nothing** to a group besides **extremely low** up time on one of the worst boons in the game (at least for Rev).

Currently we are hoping that the next expansion brings Revenant something better. It’s been over a year now and it seems to be the case that if you want to play Renegade against something other than the computer, you have been ripped off (this goes for everyone that has/had this desire).

Yes, for real.

Renegade is bad and the shortbow is bad.

Renegade only works against the computer. **The short bow is not good anywhere in game.**

Sorry to bring the bad news; there isn’t one.

Shortbow is bad. It has low damage and no defense.

There is **no reason to use shortbow**.. unless you like to pretend or spend the majority of your time killing trash mobs (open world).

Renegade is also extremely weak and is only used in condi damage builds utilizing axe and mace in raids.

Outside of organized raids against the computer **Renegade is also useless** as the damage is easily avoidable by a real human.

> @"dagger dave.5201" said:

> He's best rev NA

>

> He's so good playing that off meta spec, that is extremely weak and has no power burst damage.

>

> Its weak against condis which makes its pretty useless in this power meta

Dude who are you bro? You NA bro? You have quite a bit of knowledge for somebody never in top 250.

**How in the world do you know what the Meta is and your name isn’t even on the leaderboard**? I like my fries large bro with Diet Coke next time at the window bro thanks.

@"AngelLovesFredrik.6741"

Listen man let’s not turn this into a game of personal attacks. I **rather not** talk down on you for struggling against chrono while playing core guard.

**I hope Revenant doesn’t get completely shafted again** in the next set of power creeped elite specs.

**Rev is still not meta** but at least the POF specs have been nerfed enough that you can **sometimes** win by outsmarting your opponents.

I remember season 8 when stepping in a single scourge AOE for a split second was a **guaranteed** death even if you used all your cool downs and managed energy perfectly. **Glad that meme is over.**

Greatsword or Axe mainhand should theoretically give Revenant a much needed DPS increase seeing as how for most specs Greatsword and Axe provide higher damage than sword.

We got completely shafted when we got shortbow which is not optimal in any game mode and has no purpose at all. **I rather Revenant not get another “secondary” weapon for an XPAC like warhorn, scepter, focus or torch. I would rage.**

Whatever we get though I just hope it is an upgrade to the two current specs. I do not do raids or spend my time farming low level computer mobs in open world. **I felt like POF was a waste of money** for people desiring to play Rev in PvP or even WvW, and I’m still mad they never bothered to fix Renegade at all.

I will probably quit or reroll if Revenant gets **SHAFTED** the same way it did with Renegade. Most likely quit.

Hope for an expansion and balance.

Conquest 5v5 in the current ranked system makes the most sense. I’d put a few grand on it to say you’re causing you’re own emotional distress hoping for something else.

**Maybe** an expansion will bring in larger scale (10v10 or greater) unranked PvP seeing as WvW population has dwindled to the point that its semi unplayable, and there is zero competition there.

> @"Crab Fear.1624" said:

> > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > It sounds like what you want is a full skill rating reset. This wouldn't accomplish what you want, and actually I think would have the complete opposite effect. Matches at the start of the season would be complete chaos. You could have completely new ranked players in with people who were legendary previous season.

> >

> > We've talked about changing the soft mmr reset between seasons to be even softer. We probably don't want to remove reset all together, otherwise we'd see quite lot of accusations of unfairness.

>

> Just do it. Chaos is fine. Seen many of the edgelords on the forums say "l2p", or that's where you probably belong. Let us see if it's true.

>

> Edit: We have accused the devs of worse lol

Next season is season 15.

Your suggestion has been done already.

That’s how we got here.

L2P

> @"Zenix.6198" said:

> If I cant take full PVE dps traits on my weaver without getting absolutely demolished, why can Revs do just that?

You can do that on weaver. Just because YOU can’t doesnt mean it’s not possible.

OP got destroyed by trash REV playing zerk amulet because he’s horrible.

OP had a dodge, **all utility skills and his heal still available** btw. Kind of embarrassing of you to post this. You **spam your 3 skill in panic and eat like 6 attacks from somebody playing berserker amulet** with nothing done in that time period.

**What did you expect?**

> @"Israel.7056" said:

> The problem is that there are very very few competent players left playing the game in any timezone anywhere. They tend to want to play with other competent players and not have to carry and who can blame them?

This is the problem. The average WvW player is about bronze PvP skill level, and outside of maguuma (and even on that server to some extent) WvW has become a game of “follow the clueless leader”.

WvW is unplayable for me currently. Lots of people trying to role play and have social hour on a near 7 year old game.

**EDIT**; people playing WvW still argue soulbeast is weak over a year after POF release lmfao. That’s the level of **cluelessness** in WvW right now.

Renegade still trash tho why?

> @"apharma.3741" said:

> > @"herrmartell.7109" said:

> > > @"apharma.3741" said:

> > > > @"herrmartell.7109" said:

> > > > > @"apharma.3741" said:

> > > >

> > > > > a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

> > > >

> > > > A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

> > >

> > > You missed the point.

> >

> > I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

> >

> > > It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

> >

> > Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

>

> No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

>

> I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtlALfbxigw

Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

TTK is low only if you or your opponent sucks.

The issue with GW2 is like all things, the skill levels are not equal. They are drastically different.

For example;

Watching the average platinum thief (which is already high above average) you may think thief is low sustain.

On the other hand, watching someone who has near mastered thief... it seems unkillable.

I’m not going to teach you how to play (this is competitive game mode after all), but just skimming through your OP I notice **you have some major flaws in your logic** which is responsible for the issues you are facing.

> @"kin korn karn.9023" said:

> > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > I think a lot of this is on point. I see a lot of nonsense in my games . Like plat 2 games where I'll go home because I'm a Mirage main and it's a very sound play, but a reaper or scourge will follow me all the way home and try to cap home with me. Tons of players just don't understand their own role in the meta.

> >

> > Ever since Path of Fire I've felt that conquest's biggest weakness isn't the mechanics or balance or game mode. Those are all great (Yes even balance despite the community's whining is actually pretty good all things relative). It's always been the community holding it back. The game poorly educating players on what to do in the game mode, **top tier players (Who religiously play this game, I might add) telling curious potential buyers the game isn't worth playing** on their streams several times a day. It's not the balance. It's not the game mode. It's not the systems in place for how to play PvP like Ranked and Automated Tournaments. It's us. It's always been us. We're the problem.

>

> After years, I still enjoy gw2, but I could not honestly recommend that anyone buy it for pvp in 2018. Not a complaint, just reality. The learning curve is incredibly high and pvp is essentially dead. If you encourage anyone to buy under current circumstances, you're either a liar or a pleb.

The learning curve is steep at the top. Like obtaining a pvp title top. Otherwise it’s nothing too extreme.

Otherwise it plays like WoW and many other games, but much smoother. GW2 is the Porsche of MMO PvP and everything else is a Ford Fiesta (including WoW).

Everybody loves this game until they start losing. Then they want to bad mouth.

I’m ok with the nerf.

It seems like if they put rev on equal footing the class gets absurdly cried about because the best players in the game (like myself) gravitate towards rev.

It’s much better than when off hand sword damage was not there at all and Rev just simply did not have the opportunity to ever win because the skills themselves just not were capable of doing necessary damage to win even if you landed all skillsz

Anybody semi decent at rev remember season 5 through season 10 when **NON BUNKERS** could heal through rev damage if they use dodges right?

At least we’re not at that point lmfao. I still have a hard time believing that even happened.

> @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"Alatar.7364"

> > >

> > > you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

> > >

> > > Thief can burst much higher than that

> > >

> > > Everything I said still stands.

> > >

> > > @"Ario.8964"

> > >

> > > I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

> > >

> >

> > Nothing you said stands.

> > The vul was done by SW, D'Uh.

> > You said I did 9.7 with zerk and 25 mights, I did 8.2 with Marauder and 13 stacks.

> > Real case scenario would be 25 stacks which equals roughly the dmg I stated original.

> > Nothing you say stands. You got a proof but you deliberately chose to ignore it. Nothing you said stands...

>

> JayAction is the incissor of revs.

Here comes big brother crying on the forums after he’s literally been farmed at spawn.

Nice jokes bro.

> @"Ario.8964" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"everyman.4375" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> > > >

> > > > Thief has;

> > > >

> > > > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> > > >

> > > > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> > > >

> > > > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

> > >

> > > I don't honestly know if you play PvP, Revs have one of the best burst in the game right now an i don't know how you can't notice it, maybe you don't see a lot of decent revenants but still. Claming that they have the lowest power damage ? kitten

> >

> > You don’t know if I play PVP? You must be low ranked

> >

> > > @"Ario.8964" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > @"Alatar.7364"

> > > >

> > > > you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

> > > >

> > > > Thief can burst much higher than that

> > > >

> > > > Everything I said still stands.

> > > >

> > > > @"Ario.8964"

> > > >

> > > > I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

> > > >

> > >

> > > So basically, you have 0 evidence and are making baseless claims. Got it.

> >

> > Do you ever look at the leaderboard? I’ve been trashing people since the game has been out consistently. I don’t take screens of daily occurrences dude. I’ve been ranked 50+ plenty. You have to beat near everyone for that...

>

> I look at the leaderboard, and when I see that the #1 player is a 1 shot DE I stop looking because that alone shows how absurd the leaderboard is to begin with. Rank means nothing and the fact that you have it drilled into your head that being on the leaderboard means you "farm every rev NA" baffles me. Is your ego THAT big? Or could it be that you still have 0 evidence of these "daily occurrences" you have been mentioning and are making poor excuses because someone finally called you out? If it's a daily thing, take 2 seconds out of your normal routine to press 1 button for a screenshot of you farming all these revs and post it. It's not hard, the problem is that you can't and won't because it simply isn't true. Better yet, go and take unedited videos of you"farming" lora, fahad, rarnark, mur, and zol on their revs 1v1 and I will write you a personal apology post admitting how wrong I am. Until then, cut the BS.

> @"Ario.8964" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"everyman.4375" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> > > >

> > > > Thief has;

> > > >

> > > > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> > > >

> > > > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> > > >

> > > > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

> > >

> > > I don't honestly know if you play PvP, Revs have one of the best burst in the game right now an i don't know how you can't notice it, maybe you don't see a lot of decent revenants but still. Claming that they have the lowest power damage ? kitten

> >

> > You don’t know if I play PVP? You must be low ranked

> >

> > > @"Ario.8964" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > @"Alatar.7364"

> > > >

> > > > you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

> > > >

> > > > Thief can burst much higher than that

> > > >

> > > > Everything I said still stands.

> > > >

> > > > @"Ario.8964"

> > > >

> > > > I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

> > > >

> > >

> > > So basically, you have 0 evidence and are making baseless claims. Got it.

> >

> > Do you ever look at the leaderboard? I’ve been trashing people since the game has been out consistently. I don’t take screens of daily occurrences dude. I’ve been ranked 50+ plenty. You have to beat near everyone for that...

>

> I look at the leaderboard, and when I see that the #1 player is a 1 shot DE I stop looking because that alone shows how absurd the leaderboard is to begin with. Rank means nothing and the fact that you have it drilled into your head that being on the leaderboard means you "farm every rev NA" baffles me. Is your ego THAT big? Or could it be that you still have 0 evidence of these "daily occurrences" you have been mentioning and are making poor excuses because someone finally called you out? If it's a daily thing, take 2 seconds out of your normal routine to press 1 button for a screenshot of you farming all these revs and post it. It's not hard, the problem is that you can't and won't because it simply isn't true. Better yet, go and take unedited videos of you"farming" lora, fahad, rarnark, mur, and zol on their revs 1v1 and I will write you a personal apology post admitting how wrong I am. Until then, cut the BS.

Dude if you're so great let me see you get top 10. Leaderboard is literally everything lmfao.

Rank means "nothing"? Dude come into reality.

Lora? Mediocre at rev.... and loses to me playing Holo, while I'm on Rev. LMFAO

Mur????? Doesn't even play rev, and i beat him while I'm on rev easily.

Rarnark???? who is this????? This person plays rev? Dude you just be saying stuff that isn't even true lmfao...

ZOL???? I smash him every game dude.

If leaderboard doesn't mean anything why are you even mentioning those names? Have you ever even been top 25? I can't take you serious with all this emotional crap dude. The leaderboard is there for a reason bro.

Clown isn't that great ima be real... but I'm pretty sure he will farm you lol.... DO YOU EVEN HAVE A TOP 25 TITLE? HAVE YOU EVER EXISTED IN TOP 25.

You must not be high rated at all dude. The fact I have to even convince you of this says you haven't been playing high rating at least for a good year or long if you ever have lmfao. Ima do like Naru and stop arguing with everybody so clueless on the forums lmfao.

> @"everyman.4375" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > >

> > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> >

> > Thief has;

> >

> > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> >

> > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> >

> > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

>

> I don't honestly know if you play PvP, Revs have one of the best burst in the game right now an i don't know how you can't notice it, maybe you don't see a lot of decent revenants but still. Claming that they have the lowest power damage ? kitten

You don’t know if I play PVP? You must be low ranked

> @"Ario.8964" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > @"Alatar.7364"

> >

> > you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

> >

> > Thief can burst much higher than that

> >

> > Everything I said still stands.

> >

> > @"Ario.8964"

> >

> > I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

> >

>

> So basically, you have 0 evidence and are making baseless claims. Got it.

Do you ever look at the leaderboard? I’ve been trashing people since the game has been out consistently. I don’t take screens of daily occurrences dude. I’ve been ranked 50+ plenty. You have to beat near everyone for that...

@"Alatar.7364"

you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

Thief can burst much higher than that

Everything I said still stands.

@"Ario.8964"

I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

> @"idolin.2831" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> > > >

> > > > Thief has;

> > > >

> > > > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> > > >

> > > > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> > > >

> > > > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

> > >

> > > Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

> > >

> > > I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

> > >

> > > The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.

> > > You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

> >

> > Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

> >

> > Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

>

> Ask the best Revs right now and I bet a majority of them will agree OH sword is very strong right now (some might even say broken). I've heard Rev streamers say that, and almost everyone on this forum (except for you) says that. Rev might be weak at a few things but burst damage is definitely NOT one of them.

I farm every rev NA

> @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> > > >

> > > > Thief has;

> > > >

> > > > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> > > >

> > > > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> > > >

> > > > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

> > >

> > > Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

> > >

> > > I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

> > >

> > > The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.

> > > You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

> >

> > Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

> >

> > Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

>

> S/D 3 button combo + almost half of Ini pool = 6763.

> D/P 4 button combo + more than half Ini pool = 7853 if you get behind, 3890 if front.

>

> Rev, 1 button = 9789

>

> All critics. Medium target. Match tested.

>

> Staff Thief.... lol... not gonna react to that.

>

> Was not talking about DE at all, would have said so if I did.

>

> I main Rev, oh clever one.

> I know of only one other Rev that can and will effectively beat me every single time. Second one I dont know the name off but remember getting shreked.

> You using such a weak argument such as "dumpstered by somebody playing Rev" only shows your bias toward something you like, proving you don't argue here from an objective point of view.

>

> Once again, I can't for the love of god, believe my eyes that somebody is actually claiming Rev burst is the lowest. Only biased Rev main could possibly release such a statement in to the world.

9789 from1 “button” on rev. What’s this button bro? You did that much damage, I’ll assume berserker so this is almost possible. I’ll assume 25 might stacks to..

You did this vs medium armor dummy? Screens or it didn’t happen lol.

> @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > > @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > > > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > > > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

> > >

> > > Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> > > Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

> >

> > Thief has;

> >

> > Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

> >

> > High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

> >

> > People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

>

> Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

>

> I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

>

> The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.

> You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

> @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > @"rowdy.5107" said:

> > rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

>

> Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.

> Tell me, what exactly is that **_"everything"_** which thieves can do better?

Thief has;

Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

Hey > @"DraGolemz.7694" said:

> > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said:

> > No different than PvP rank with wintraders being on the leaderboard....yes its on the leaderboard, however due to "exploits" its far less impressive than it should be.

> Pvp rank cannot really be bought. The titles and all those prestige are out the window now yes but if we are referring to rank in both game modes then the actualy pvp rank levels have to be individually grinded.

> That being said there is also no reward for those of high pvp rank. Not even a label such as diamond, mithril etc. We get to rank 80 (super easy to do) and then thats about it. Im rank 411 in pvp and theres nothing i can do to show it in game. Feels really bad.

>

There is nothing as competitive or as hard to get top 250 titles in the game. The computer does not have challenges that hard.

WvW is a joke with the average Mithril player being about rank 1300 in PvP not even close to top 250.

Rev is overdue for something game braking OP.

It was middle of the pack HOT release from a pvp standpoint.

It was the worst spec, weakest damage, lowest sustain and utility POF spec, about 50% as strong as the worst core specs. and after a year of straight buffs it’s still weaker than every spec in game by a large margin. (Outside of PvE raids).