JayAction.9056

> @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

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> **Why can't I see builds used?** _No good reason._

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That’s part of the competition. Creating the build.

It’s always funny seeing people call something weak when it is actually OP... then months or years after everyone catches on you see the forums complain ... like soulbeast or condi thief in HOT

> @"incisorr.9502" said:

> > @"Shao.7236" said:

> > Just gonna post on behave of OP.

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> > Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

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> > I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

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> > It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

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> > Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

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> > In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

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> feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

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> mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

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> revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

Mirage is still OP.

Rev is still weak and is nowhere near as strong as it was originally.

There is no 1.9k rating rev. (Are you referring to EU? EU is trash with inflated ratings and outdated builds).

> @"EnderzShadow.2506" said:

> On one hand, the damage can be a bit nuts

No, rev damage is the lowest.

Stop saying this??? It’s the lowest by far.

You play rev in plat by just being better at the game though. It’s no real tricks. Get a handle of the skills and play better using the terrain to your advantage.

Go to PvP.

Core war is OP but not the way you play it. ???

Lel

You automatically remove everything without stealth and self healing from being viable.

Holo, Mes, FB, Soulbeast only real choices...

> @"incisorr.9502" said:

> > @"JayAction.9056" said:

> > The reality is the opposite.

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> > Rev is ok. Every POF spec is stronger than REV as a whole except for revs own POF spec.

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> > The multiple nerfs to the POF specs made it so playing Rev is actually double. I wouldn’t call Rev meta. There are 9 classes. There are at least 10 or more specs quite a bit better than Revs best.

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> > Rev damage is “extremely” low as far as power damage goes actually.

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> > Edit: It’s the same build from 2015 and it’s weaker now and the competition is stronger (POF specs). It’s almost 2k19

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> same buff but with 300 extra buff and 300 extra nerfs on everyone else

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> rev even made it to the first page of metabattle and that site is outdated and not always realistic, that's how broken it is. I haven't seen a single person at higher elo not acknowledge how ludicrously broken rev is. You can't just barge in here and blurt out some statement like this one with zero credibility or experience or anything

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> rev is beyond any reason whatsoever

I was just top 10 solo q rev.

Trust me it’s not even middle of the pack if we are comparing it to the best of each class. It’s dead last.

Rev is due for some buffs at this point. You realize it’s the same build from 2015? All the dominant HOT specs were nerfed. Then came POF specs which were even stronger.

Just know if you are losing to rev you are losing to a weak version of a 2015 build nearly 4 years after it saw 50% damage, sustain and mobility nerfs. It’s all personal

The reality is the opposite.

Rev is ok. Every POF spec is stronger than REV as a whole except for revs own POF spec.

The multiple nerfs to the POF specs made it so playing Rev is actually double. I wouldn’t call Rev meta. There are 9 classes. There are at least 10 or more specs quite a bit better than Revs best.

Rev damage is “extremely” low as far as power damage goes actually.

Edit: It’s the same build from 2015 and it’s weaker now and the competition is stronger (POF specs). It’s almost 2k19

To be honest with you I don’t see anything but buffs coming to rev in the future. It’s not really that good. Maybe you should give it a try.

>@"dagger dave.5201" said:

> Sounds like someone plays ele main

And is not that good at it.

Lmfao at rev complaints.

10k sword 4s bro? What raid boss you referring to? This pvp forum.

Yes there needs to be structured mid scale combat. 10v10 pick up games. Individual MMR removed. Overall team MMR remain.

Death match with random spawns.

You guys all play the game wrong.

-Too much Zerging

There is no need to Zerg 24/7. WvW is an open world pvp. All the objectives require 1-5 people to capture at most unless defending numbers are greater.

99% of these open world maps are empty because everybody is located in one place flipping camps or chassing 2-3 enemy while the enemy Zerg is on a completely different map.

The combat system is ruined with more than 10- 15 people. It becomes a game of luck and all the intricacies of the game are removed. It severely dumbs down the game and creates shallow game play.

This is also why the average WvW player barely grasps the game and WvW Meta builds are “YEARS” behind and are not honestly effective.

This has been the trend since 2015.

I don't see any new people in ranks. Titles should be awarded for the season.

Without regards to a few people, many people couldn't hold their title position this season.

So you are giving titles for season 13?

> @"Farkon.2170" said:

> Reaper is the worst spvp class I've ever played. Went 0-16 today, felt great.

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> **I can't possibly be that bad. I've never been so frustrated in my life trying to make this work.**

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Bad positioning and other things... I feel like this is a troll??? because I even see some rather good people on your unranked team.

Anything with stealth “could” 100-0 war.

I think most are adults here. I don’t know too many “kids” typing 50+ wpm.

> @"Highlie.7641" said:

> It is 100 times easier to win games in plat then it is in gold or below. anyone telling you diffrently hasn't had the joyful experience of watching 4 teammates die to 2 players over and over again.

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> It is what it is Op, don't take this game seriously.

Dunning Kruger

would buy.

One of you guys unknowingly trashed an ANET dev so bad they didn’t realize rev was the worst overall PvP class with the worst “meta” spec.

Only explanation. All the changes were nerfs. Still no bug fixes or fixing Renegade. About time to quit...

Renegade short bow is still straight major downgrade to even the worst weapons in Rev kit (mace, axe, hammer).

There are plenty of other issues in Renegade (Razorclaw's Rage is completely useless unless you invest all personal stats into bleeding damage just for it to remain "sub par". The elite skills is ****. The heal is **** without strong investment into healing power)but this is the most obvious one. Please up the damage dramatically.

You can not exchange hits with this weapon versus any class even on a scale of something stupid like **2 to 1** and come out with a win.

> @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> Condi Mirage is still king 1v1.

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> As a Soulbeast main though, I struggle the most 1v1 against well played Heralds. It completely counters DPS Soulbeast specs.

If you are losing to Herald as Soulbeast 1v1, skill wise, the herald is quite a few notches above you.

Herald worst 1v1 amongst builds that matter.

Adding to the thread in hopes this feedback is valuable to Devs.

Depending on the elite specialization choosed, the skills swapped are different.

The combination of herald + another legend or renegade + another legend swaps different skills in the secondary legend.

The skill swap has not been seen at least for me in neither elite specialization legend.

The skill swap also will happen MID COMBAT.

Rev major bug still in game

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/55527/skills-change-their-mapping-on-utility-bar-without-change-being-made-by-the-player#latest