PeerlessArch.6547

You can try mix/matching too. I run berserker armor, marauder trinkets/weapons. Gives a bit more damage without being complete squish.

For WvW that is.

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:

> lmao **go to gods of pvp, 1st sentence in power spellbreaker is " Unfortunately warrior/spellbreaker just isn't very good in the current meta**". Players who have trouble against warrior or just dislike the class be like " warriors op" lmao. Since post feb patch warrior and its specs were widely known as the now bottom tier class and then a viable build comes to light via healbreaker and in the gw2 community if a few select classes have a build thats meta its automatically op, although its fine for the other classes of the roster to have such. I would understand if healbreaker received a small nerf to its spacific build but nerfing FC also effects builds like power splbr which was already struggling.

> I can see why anet devs avoid the forums though as its literally 98% useless bias nonsense and 2% useful feedback.

Congratulations. You must be a platinum rank player.

News Flash: Devs don't balance classes based on how they perform/underperform soley in Platinum ranks...

Nerfed speed runes (good), yet trapper runes still exist. Desperately in need of a cooldown on those if not completely removed all together.

> @"Yasai.3549" said:

> Whirling Axe hands down.

>

> Thief is pretty vulnerable to any sort of Ranged pressure because it forces the Thief to spend resources for gap closing.

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> Being able to reflect projectiles like this can instantly negate or deter any form of Ranged suppression.

>

> My most memorable usage of this was when some Gunflame Zerker was being gungho and pulled me off my mount for a cheap attempt to Signet > Burst me but I just Stole to him and Whirling Axe in his face and he offed himself.

Lol yeah. The times that warriors have jumped me, I steal, throw down blackpowder, and whirling axe away as they get blinded, downed, then stomped. Very satisfying.

Some interesting ideas. > @"DeceiverX.8361" said:

> I'd also like to mention CnD's damage is just strictly lower than backstab's. If they're hitting 11k and CnD, and 9k backstab, they're front-stabbing you and would be hitting otherwise for 20k.

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> I can guarantee you that no thief is hitting you for 20k without a literally perfect scenario with its current numbers. 20k+ was already fairly hard to pull off before the Feb. patch and absolutely required assassin's signet, which since Feb. such a build has had its damage nerfed by quite literally 50% with everything factored in.

That's what I thought too, but --argh, I wish i took a screenshot of it. I was off to the side of our zerg waiting for a wall to come down, no condis on me and no boons either (so its not like i was suddenly stripped by something else and got nailed) -- but still like you said, if CnD is lower than backstab, how was it still that high. I get there are buffs when near owned keep or whatever, but 11k is quite high.

I might deliberatly find one of those two thieves next time we're matched and just stand there and record them killing me lol.

Are there any known instances of getting hit with the same skill simultaneously and it showing up as one hit in combat log?

Thanks guys! I actually run the pvp d/p build which suits me fine in wvw, I was more looking how in the world I could be hit like that from a core thief. Was more or less just playing around with trying to recreate a hit for that much on CnD.

I can't ask the player(s) -- there are 3 that have done it, 2 in the same guild; because they are anonymous offline. :)

Yes talking about WvW.

Ok, so I've tried multiple builds to try and get some of the damage numbers I'm getting hit for as a thief from other core d/d thieves.

I've tried CS trait line, with zerker/marauder armor-wep/trinkets with scholar runes, assassin signet and I can't get close to some of the numbers I'm seeing.

I've been hit for a 10-11k CnD followed by an 8-9k backstab. This is a single hit without any other condis on me i.e. vuln.

Even with max dmg builds, scholar runes, 25 stack bloodlust, assn sig, I can maybe get a 5-6k CnD and 6-7k backstab.

I just want to know how they are getting this type of damage. The backstab is close, but how in the world am I getting hit for a 10-11k cloak and dagger...

> @"LionZero.3479" said:

> You know someone doesn't play ranger when they say OWP works on barrage lol

You know someone doesn't play ranger when they say OWP DOESNT work with barrage. It does work, however it chooses one target at random to proc on instead of procing on all aoe targets

>

> yep, this is thiefs problem. they have LOADS of builds, but they are all gate kept, not by other classes but by enemy thief, kind off ironic

Lol@ LOADS of builds.

Gut SA and you'll have 2 dead trait lines (hello acro) and a traitline thats basically mandatory for all builds (trickery). Where will these loads of viable builds come from?

LOL, yep Heartseeker 4LIFE now...

> @"Avatar.3568" said:

> The saltiness is extremely high in gold and low Plat, everything above und below is pretty pma and full of nice people , idk why but this region is rly a toxic behavior

The saltiness comes from the gold players that can't quite make it to Plat and think they should, and the low Plat players that don't want to be knocked back down to Gold because they don't think they belong there. =)

Poking aside, I have noticed less toxicity this season and I've played the last 3. I don't have anyone on block, so its been refreshing to notice it less.

> @"Zhaid Zhem.6508" said:

> You can do a double shortbow build :+1:

> http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PagAUVlRwoYLsLGJO2WdNPA-zRJYmRBrMiMBysAMYA-e7

> It is not as effective as before, because schocking gas only daze/interupt once, but it works great against pack of mobs : you spam #4 and dodge and weapon swap etc.

>

> For power, unless you want to tag a lot of mobs in group events, just don't use it: you have better option to disengage.

Mmmm, the days of SB/SB builds before choking gas nerf and exploiting Sigil of Absorption for constant boon steal. B)

Soemone made a good point above "get on an elementalist and you'll appreciate thief." The wisdom in that statement actually comes from the fact to be a great thief you should really learn all the other classes first, (at least the meta builds where everyone who runs them will become somewhat predictable) in which then, you will learn how the other classes play so you can know exactly what to do when and how to defeat those classes.

Also keep in mind, at least for sPvP, your role as a thief is not to try and 1v1 anyone, but to +1 a teammate (beyond your decapping role). Always look for targets that are already engaged with another enemy. You will find it much more satisfying, and also better help your team. :)

> @"Smoosh.2718" said:

> > @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> > This is an issue?

> > HA!

> > In WvW you go out of action cam mode *by capping an objective*.

>

> Yup, you're right... that too!

>

> Really hate the fact the game pulls you out, like I get it... we can press a button but if I wanted to press the button id come out of action cam to press it.

Yep! Sometime's i purposely rep a guild that I don't have 'claim permissions' in just so I don't get pulled out of action camera in the middle of a fight for a camp that I attacked 20 minutes ago that finally got flipped.

If you post a group for raid **TRAINING**, why the kitten would you need KP? Isn't the point of a raid **training** group to train newer players on the raids and its mechanics?

If you don't want to "waste your time" then don't put training in your raid group description.

Bring back the warclaw speed we had when we were in owned territories, but just make the speed for everyone everywhere.

At least then you don't feel like you're riding a turtle.

Coming soon:

Mount templates. 400 gems.

Please don't give them ideas.

> @"Balthazzarr.1349" said:

> Nothing I love more than following the mini of a thief who is shealthed then killing him when he’s visible.

LOL... I did this once on red BL...I kept running into this same DE and kept killing him until he finally messaged me. "How is it you know where I'm going to unstealth EVERY time?"

I kindly replied (because I felt bad after like the 5th kill) with "you might want to try hiding your mini." He just laughed after a looong silence between PMs. Good stuff.

Every game come away with top offense;-- average k/d ratio 10-1. Most are more like 6,7,8,9 -- 0. Yep. Thief is dead for sure.

What a B Tier class...

> @"Jugglemonkey.8741" said:

> > @"babazhook.6805" said:

> > > @"Serind.1267" said:

> > > I don't shout :anguished: , but i swear to god, if i see 1 MORE THIEF...

> >

> > Complain when you see them and complain when you don't! :)

>

> It's a running joke in our discord, someone mentions they made a thief, Serind nopes and sighs in disgust, and I laugh haha xD

In my guild, its the rangers that get that same reaction haha.

I love having 3 guys chase me around far node while my team takes the rest of the map. Its good strategy if they are going to tunnel vision like that.

No, leave it, so arenanet can see it and maybe do something...

Nothing is more maddening when talking about frame rate and optimization with those of us on higher end systems, then when people chime in with "tUrN YoR gRafIcS DoWn."

I mean come on.... The point is this game isn't optimized worth a kitten, and it's 2020, and it should be. End of story.

I was wondering, with the Drizzlewood drop in mat prices, is it still cheaper to buy VM Trophy Shipments for T6 mats, rather than buying directly off the TP?

Not looking for profit-wise, just for needed T6 mats for crafting.