Gandrogh.1530

> @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > you dont have to lose ticks to use healing skill, withdraw is plenty viable, and without shadow arts it wont stealth you, and I bet 2x thief is better then 2x mesmer anyways, cant say for ele since nobody plays it but I dont think ele would do very good, MAYBE weaver on side and tempest as support could be OK Don't worry few people use Hide in Shadow to heal as a thief. withdraw is often the best choice. Stealth is part of the gameplay of thief. Almost every build except p/p and s/p rely on stealth for staying alive and damage so loosing ticks when defending is hardly unavoidable. For exemple, staying on a point against an axe warrior who hit for 3k-4k/AA will get very harder with no stealth. Not impossible of course but playing thief should not be a purgatory. Or maybe all thief player are wrong and should play condi perma dodge ? ('till next nerf) And for your information 2 thieves are an insta loose in a lot of situation because it will be a 3v4 mid. Remember that thief bring few things in group fight to compare to ele (aoe/heal/cleanse etc) and mesmer (aoe, aoe, cc and damage). >@"Psycoprophet.8107" said: >It's funny cuz if u search the class sub forums thiefs forum is the one that has by far the most thread about new players or new thief players asking for help and tips on how >to be effective on thief and not get destroyed in sec's lol weird. ^sadly true

> @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said: > That essence sap nerf was the best thing that happened this year. Yes and I think this don't bother anyone. Signet of Agility and IA 's nerf is the real problem

S/D is a good build. Take care of sword 2 'cause it become expensive and the 3 too. Never engage with Steal, it's an instant interrupt you want to keep it. Sword 3 is unblockable keep that in mind. If you want to kill people you'll have to use and abuse you interrupt/blinds. For damage there is the second cast sword 3 (expensive) and auto attack. Don't forget AA it is maybe this point you're missing. Keeping AA while staying alive is one of the keys. You don't alway need to second cast sword 3. If you want to learn up you may want to to try just staying alive around your opponent. When you handle that you'll see windows in order to start an agressive gameplay.

"Well thief attacked me once and i just couldn't even think about scenario how i could win. Even if i would be best player in planet winning would be impossible." Wich build do you run ? We are not in 2013 anymore. Thieves don't instakill anymore. Or you should build toughness, or you get caught in WvW by a stealthed deadeye, or you just stand still for 7sec assuming you d'ont play with an auto invu like Defi pain. You may be not the best player but thief is not S tier, nor even A in today's meta.

7k backstab is high in pvp. You may have to build more tankiness. No one can go full zerg. Killing thief is not easy but you can read its game. A thief can't fight indefinitely. When they start do dodge after the first burst it's at this moment that they have no or less initiative. So you can try to kill them but you have to know that you enter the thief game. If you don't chase, you take advantage while you get back your cd's and increasing the gap betwin the opponent and you. That will cost ini to fill this gap so less damage if the thief is chasing. Playing a thief can teach you how they stealth and for how long with which spell. About builds, don't chase daredevil who run the dodgedash. The counterpart of this "unkillable" build is that it can't kill anything and they are weak in 1v1 unless you take the cc when you try to heal up you won't die. The thief will reset 'till that moment happen (d/p one). For dead eye, you can't do anything if they one shot you but they have a low mobility and stealth don't mean immunity. Just AA where they dodge, aoe and they die. Deadeye have low def, it repose only on stealh. Thieves aren't the problem since backstab have no damage in pvp and have a 1sec cd