Rukia.4802

Game is balanced around conquest , and has only a limited time arena (everyone loves limited time content hurr) and they both suck but if I had to choose it would easily be conquest. I don't even play the game when season is inactive especially since I would be a clown to bring my class in arena, and you couldn't pay me enough to play unranked.

If only we had battlegrounds like every other game

> @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> PvEers regularly claim they farm 40+ gold an hour. With that you can afford 1 new mount skin like... every other day.

30-40g an hour is not hard but you will uninstall from boredom, would you rather have fun or grind endlessly

It is halloween however with easiest farm in game

The game is decent enough optimized, the issue is not being able to see whats going on amidst 9000 particle effects and people with their clown suits , literal just a blob of visual clutter.

They can't even get hidden nameplates to work much less add a particle slider. Yes GW2 runs on the garbage cheap amazon servers.

GW2 engine buggy af, if you assume in your mind half your attacks are going to magically miss your target it gets a lot better :) its like the dice roll attacks from Morrowind.

> @"Redfeather.6401" said:

> I have low expectations.

> GW2 core seems to be themed mini games and the occasional insane farming for some gated carrot on a stick.

> So expansion could be 10 new mini game types dotted around a map.

> And a new fireball throwing dragon sword that requires 250 gold, 250 monster eyes, 250 ectoplasm and 50 piece collection.

> That sounds about right. ?

That does unfortunately sound about right, and the skins on top of being crazy grinds are usually complete trash. Its unfortunate that they lost all the charm GW1 grind had, it had similar skin grinds located in dungeons that were fun .These days you can't even make out a character with 9000 spell effects and gem shop costumes so whats it even matter lol. Its funny to think FF14 and WoW being more grounded with their visuals.

Anyway, I'm sure cantha will be great until we run out of content and its back to the collection grind, which at that point I just quit and go back to WoW anyway with a much more lively pve scene and battlegrounds. I am fine with it, thats what this game is now, a korean grinder spamming the same events 24/7. I don't see that as any different than mindlessly slaying mobs in black desert. Both have about the same chance of getting something actually useful out of your play time other than raw materials.

As long as it supports the extremely casual playerbase :astonished: one can hope that dungeons could make a return and raids are much more supported and pvp modes but the reality is they just aren't profitable compared to the korean grind design and gem shop skins which mainly attract casual pvers.

King Joko of course

oh man this is gold lol

10/10 lots took the bait

D/P DD is fine you are just bad

> @"Widmo.3186" said:

> > @"Omernon.9762" said:

> > > @"Zawn.9647" said:

> > > > @"wevh.2903" said:

> > > > This is ridiculous , lol has one competitive map xdd the point is switching the meta and playstyle

> > >

> > > HAHAHAHA are you serious? what an argument

> > > LoL is a moba, it has only one map because that's the game. 3 lanes, jungles and 2 bases, same as DotA.

> > >

> > > World of Warcraft is a MMO just like GW2... still, WoW has capture the flag, conquest, king of the hill, arena, etc. lots of game modes :)

> >

> > LMAO

> >

> > WoW has 2 pvp modes - BGs and Arena (both having rated version). EoT.

> >

> > By you logic GW2 also has MobA-style PvP with 2 lanes, Domination-style PvP, large scale PvP (WvW), Capture the Flag PvP (the one unranked map where u are carrying white orb for extra points), castle defense and huge amount of PvP modes in festivals.

> >

> > Does all that matter? No? So does all the pvp modes in WoW - the only end-game, legit PvP there is Rated Arena and that knows every PvP player that is worth something. And trust me - all the rank 1 players would swap pillar hugging pvp for objective-based, 5-man PvP like the one in GW2, because it is impossible to balance WoW in it's current state, last-man standing game mode that is Rated Arena.

>

> I agree that WoW has generally 2 pvp modes, and I agree that the only competetive one that counts is the arena (or for some even more specific - 3v3 mode). But I dont think we should compare WoW pvp gamemodes and GW2. Lets be honest, who plays stronghold? We had deathmatch map, which was removed (kek). 2v2 and 3v3 is total clownfiesta who gets more ca**cerous team comp (faaaar more than what it looks like in WoW, because gw2 is not optimised for 2v2 or 3v3). WvW is like open world pvp but...not really. Few years ago maybe, sieges, castles, battles. But now its just a bunch of boomers and newcomers that are welcomed by last roamers and hardnoped to never come again (maybe for daily purposes only).

> That leaves only 5v5 conquest with some side quests like slaying beasts in forest or nuking lord. In WoW you have plenty of different maps with different MAIN quests. Hold/capture flags, assault/defend castle, assault/defend fortress, get resources, escort minecarts, escort and cap flag, hold orbs. Its like over 10 completly different maps and then you get weekly brawl which is another story. And those are only BGs, that are 'casually' played since 16 years and trust me, theyre all still fun. Then there are open world pvp and arenas. You dont have to make all pvp modes competetive, you have to make them fun to play, diverse so that after playing same game 8 years, majority of audience still wants to que (and when we look at que times, amounts of bots and cheaters, its a sad truth).

> I speak as a person that reached leg division in gw2 many times and so did glad in wow. And no, I dont think that we would swap our pillar hugging pvp for holding 3 circles. Im not saying that gw2 pvp is bad or worse than wow, nooo, combat is great. Its different, but for sure its far far less diverse than what its big brother WoW has to offer

>

> PS: comparing MOBA to MMO, lol. Yes, it has 1 map, but the amount of possibilities with different champs, tactics, items, builds etc etc. Just...dont. Dont compare those 2 modes please.

Well said, I've been enjoying myself in WoW BGs

I am willing to go with the gear grind at this point, because it should be more about fun than competitiveness, I realized this more as I got older. The BGs are where the FUN is at and that's why they have so many maps and modes. The brawls are awesome, currently its on eots where you get shot up in the air and can fly to any part of the map, simply hilarious and fun. Is it balanced? Hell no. But who cares.. The only reason to play GW2 is because of no gear grind to pvp. That reason alone doesn't carry this game anymore, pvp is dead because it is neglected and has only a competitive mode.

I will play cantha no doubt, its my favorite campaign from 1 but pvp is a clown fiesta with 0 variety. GW1 pvp was so great because it had casual fun maps and competitive maps as well. I mean who didn't enjoy FA/JQ/AB even as a pver.. everyone played those because is was simple mindless fun. I just want to bring FUN back to pvp not sweat my balls off carrying a team of scrubs in 5v5 every day.

There is a time to be competitive, and there's a time to relax and slay some nerds for the lulz in a fun environment.

Hotjoin was garbage take the rose tinted goggles off, unranked replaced it, if you really want 8v8 just ask for that but its not gonna happen cuz they don't add new modes to pvp. The 1 guy on pvp team is probably the janitor and that takes much more work than to manage pvp so you better appreciate his limited time.

1 recognized (?) pvp mode

Let's count how much pvp content GW1 got.. with a much smaller budget and team.

> @"Tere.4759" said:

> > @"Alin.2468" said:

> > Simple answer: game is dead.

> >

> > Complex answer: game is not dead yet, as people still hope for something better (ballance in PvP, Guild vs Guild, revitalization of WvW, and so on), and these hopes kept for a long time tend to create frustrations, which are spilled on other players (even though it's not their fault) creating the so called toxicity.

>

> The game isn't all about PvP. You don't like what you have, go play one of the many other PvP games like BDO etc. It frustrates me to no end that the PvPers think everything has to revolve around them so much so that they kitten and moan on Twitch streams. Also, balance is spelled balance.

lol pvp gets 0 content and pvpers have the gall .. the AUDACITY! to be angry.. I agree bro. :) well back in the real GW days the franchise was the best pvp on the market, so you can understand our frustration. Though I've long since accepted that this is a pve collector game and not a pvp game, has been for eons at this point. No one actually expects anything for pvp, as we've gotten NOTHING for so long, at this point we're just memeing and laughing at ANets incompetence.

Don't worry everything will change and all will be fluffy bunnies and teddy bears when alliances release in 2029 and spvp gets a new mode in 3034, until then, I agree pvpers should just go play the worst korean grinder ever released.. for pvp? xD

> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> > @"Rukia.4802" said:

> > Cantha 2.0 yes please, just hope the great potential isn't ruined by HURRDURR ELDER DRAGINZ and we focus the awesome characters available.

>

> You DO know what game you've been playing for the past 7 years, right? What awesome characters are you talking about? The Mary Sue in power armor, the Mary Sue in a Dress, the Mary Stu in a Dress, or the Mary Stu in armor with MY SWORD!?

Bruh I'm talking about shiro and envoys, abbadon and demons, underworld and many other areas, the plague returning, etc. Not the disney quest troupe. You know how part of PoF was awesome with joko.. well I hope that's cantha but MORE. GW1 characters are 10x more interesting than anything in GW2.

This isn't WoW forums where we claim we will never sub again or buy the next xpac. Anyone still here will probably buy it, because we want the game to improve and continue even if its a clown fiesta.

I am curious though what new cancer they have thought up for class design that we will suffer in pvp.

Cantha 2.0 yes please, just hope the great potential isn't ruined by HURRDURR ELDER DRAGINZ and we focus the awesome characters available.

> @"Ray Koopa.2354" said:

> Thank you for making this thread. I thought the same. Twitch seems to be a trollhole.

> People mostly spammed "dx12" and "This stream cannot access the login server" and other bookah stuff while telling the devs to shut up.

> They want the devs to fulfil their wishes? Then they better stop being a disrespectful brat right into their faces. Those people should feel ashamed, they were extremely disgusting today.

Lol that's actually pretty funny, and tame to be honest.

> @"TallBarr.2184" said:

> 

>

>

> berserker warrior in my team dying in 4 seconds every fight

> mirage in my team

>

> 2 premades in enemy team none in ours

> 3 out of the players i dont even recognise and must be gold rating

> is anyone else experiencing these absurd rating losses? I have never gotten these losses even losing at legend rating.

>

> honk honk

lol bunch of my team were placements , trolls, wintraders, botters, whatever explains their inaction or horribly wrong gameplay (in plat) I dropped to gold QUICK. I gotta say its the first season I experienced that so quick, and what is this rating loss? pvp is straight up broken.

For some reason, a lot of steam users only play games on steam and sort of exist in their bubble. I don't know why, but often when an existing game is released on steam it gets a surge of new players, whether temporary or not it is exposure.

> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:

> > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> > What worries me about the expansion title and logo is that it implies that Jormag and Primordus are going to be killed in Icebrood Saga. Unless all three remaining Elder Dragons migrate to Cantha at once.

> Long live the Lich had Joko dying. Titles are misleading. Though I would assume Jormag is going to bite the dust in Icebrood Saga.

>

> > @"Randulf.7614" said:

> > Well maybe one of the Gods, but that wouldn't be new unless by the "never seen in GW2" definition. They aren't mortal after all and the return of the one or more of the Gods is something some have speculated before.

> >

> > Otherwise, it could be this "mother" figure mentioned in that wholly bizarre end scene of Kralkatorrik

> Well we know that there is something up with Lyssa(not saying its her but if it was any of the human gods it would be her), or it could be Kralk's mom yeah.

I think dwayna cuz she had a hand in cantha before giving the emperor power which indirectly caused the jade wind to be so powerful, iirc.

> @"ParaNoidAndroid.1406" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > what is the point of downscaling if with ascended gear people can stomp everything with one skill? one of the reason of old maps are empty are because they are too easy, ascended/legendary should have more nerfs on the downscaling state.

>

> What maps are you talking about? HoT metas happen all the time. Not Dragon Stand, perhaps, because other metas have sprouted up everywhere. HoT is still difficult for many people, and the reason sometimes maps are empty is because you are either in one where there is an Hero Points train going, or something similar. As for the Core maps are concerned, I think we have scaled beyond them? But ironically, they are always super populated, because of new players. Starter zones are always there. Are those very easy? Yeah. But not because you have Ascended Gear, but because your skill level has increased so much.

>

> So, name specific maps.

>

>

DS still gets run all the time, I can't name a meta that isn't ran regularly.. even if they aren't as profitable as others. If I need to I just tag up and make a group myself, not hard to find players to get the ball rolling.

Did thunderhead keeps meta for map complete the other day.. holy that was mind blowing how laggy it was during the end boss, easily worse than any other zone so far. If you want to experience the meme, try it.

> @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > @"bkv.2371" said:

> > I have been playing a lot of the new game mode "outrotate the hacker" lately. It starts everyday at a random time.

> >

> > Another great gamemode is "you rage, you lose" when the game thinks that players with 10K+ played games would actually be interested in playing with people that have less than 100 games played. Conquest is on its way out, this is the new thing.

>

> Oh it officially died last season when everyone saw players like NEX blatantly shamelessly cheating all season long with hack programs and then take top 100 slots without being suspended, after being reported by several 100s of players and caught on streamer footage as well. The death of conquest ranked being taken seriously was then exasperated when popular streamers began exposing each other publicly for win trading.

>

> I mean, people always knew there was cheating going on, but it became painfully obvious last season just how much of it there really was, and that arenanet did not care about it happening at all whatsoever in any way.

>

> I had so so many people just leave and not come back last season, and they didn't even care enough to say anything to anyone when doing so.

>

> The ranked mode is very seriously a complete joke scene being used by certain players to fuel the image of themselves that they want to portray to people via their stream or in-game for w/e their reason is. It is quite clear that not only does arenanet not care that they are doing this, but it would appear that they are protecting them actually.

>

> At this point, the ranked needs to just be removed. Any & all competitive rewards/rating needs to be shuffled to AT play, where players can't match manipulate and win 90% of the games they are in by planting goons on the opposing team.

"popular streamer"

>GW2

lol

I made a cele ascended set for my ele years ago and used it maybe once or twice and its still sitting there on that complete disappointment of a character, not touched since lol. I thought it was going to be perfect for weaver, but then I thought that class was going to be more of a battlemage.

Its not unplayable, but is pretty silly. Even in dead maps pof can lag for few seconds at a time LOL. I was just soloing some crap, no commander tags on map.. nothing going on. And yeah.. its always on the players end right, couldn't possibly be the trash amazon servers or whatever DDoS protection servers they're using. I'm sure its the same garbage that WoW has been using in recent years that makes the most basic open world content lag while solo questing. Unbelievable how latency was better back in the day. They just saving money on cheap crap and we pay the price. I used to get half my current ping before amazon. I'm sure covid has increased player activity but this is embarrassing.