Ayrilana.1396

> @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > Another thing that I noticed is that you need 30 of those prismaticite crystals per weapon. At around 20 min on average, and only getting one per mission, this means it’ll take 10 hours for one weapon and 150 hours for the rest. The recipe achievement gives you enough material for one weapon. > > What weapons are you talking about? The ones for the achievement.

Another thing that I noticed is that you need 30 of those prismaticite crystals per weapon. At around 20 min on average, and only getting one per mission, this means it’ll take 10 hours for one weapon and 150 hours for the rest. The recipe achievement gives you enough material for one weapon.

About what I had expected. I figured that they had pulled their living world teams to work on the expansion so this was a low effort way to provide content until it releases.

> @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > Have there been an increase it buy listings for 10K? The amount of players creating buy listings to push up to the existing trading price would have to be significantly larger than it is now. You also have to realize that the number of players who have an excess of 10K gold is fairly small. What you're suggesting that would happen realistically wouldn't. > Sure, the amount of buyers would not increase by a lot in absolute numbers, but then there's not a lot of buyers currently. Even a small number of players would still be a huge increase percenatewise. Not really unless you're expecting the number of players who refuse to trade outside the TP, and who have not already put in a 10K buy listing, to rival everyone who currently have buy listings and/or trade outside of the TP. Unlikely. > And no, not everyone puts a buy order at 10k - with the amount of buy orders that are already in place, and the extremely limited supply, any order put now would need to wait for years to be fulfilled, so there's really no point in doing it. Which is a flaw due to the existing price cap. > > > > > It's highly unlikely that players are going to be willing to pay more than the existing price simply because the cap is removed. > > > They would not do it because the cap would be removed. They would have to do it because they would be competing against more other potential buyers. > > > > Which would be through buy listings and it's a bit absurd to believe that it would skyrocket and surpass the existing trading price. > I don't know whether it would skyrocket, but i am sure it _would_ surpass the current prices. > > At this point we can't really be sure which of us is right, but that only brings us back to the original point - no, we _don't_ have any agreement on if/how cap removal would affect prices. > This is something we're never going to agree on.

Odds are the same. It's usually best to use the x1 recipe if going for clovers. The rate is actually around 31%.

> @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > Except that demand you speak of would be through buy listings. The removal of the cap would allow those who get the drop, but don't want to trade them, to instead list them on the TP. This would create downward pressure on the sell price both on the TP and through trading. > That doesn't really work when there's so much difference between demand and supply. For the most part, people that want to sell the infusion do that already - some just do that at 10k. It's just it's a drop in the ocean compared to the demand. The supply is just way too small for a real competiton among sellers to be able to reduce the price in any meaningful way. > Besides, those infusions already end up on the market - but currently the buyers have far less competition than they would have on TP. > Have there been an increase it buy listings for 10K? The amount of players creating buy listings to push up to the existing trading price would have to be significantly larger than it is now. You also have to realize that the number of players who have an excess of 10K gold is fairly small. What you're suggesting that would happen realistically wouldn't. > > It's highly unlikely that players are going to be willing to pay more than the existing price simply because the cap is removed. > They would not do it because the cap would be removed. They would have to do it because they would be competing against more other potential buyers. > Which would be through buy listings and it's a bit absurd to believe that it would skyrocket and surpass the existing trading price.

> @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > You're mistaken about the cap. On what basis are you theorizing that the price would be higher without the cap? The infusions trade at a certain price and it makes little sense that the removal of the price cap would suddenly cause the prices to increase. But by all means provide your evidence that players will suddenly be willing to pay more for the infusions simply because there's no cap on buy listings and they can post them on the TP. > There would be more "effective" demand (because some people that are now afraid to use off-tp means of trading, or are simply unaware of the trading sites, and thus do not try to buy the infusions even if they want them and could afford them might participate as well). Increase in demand usually results in increase of price. Even the common practice of overbidding by 1c would keep price rising. > Except that demand you speak of would be through buy listings. The removal of the cap would allow those who get the drop, but don't want to trade them, to instead list them on the TP. This would create downward pressure on the sell price both on the TP and through trading. Those that have one or multiple buy listings at 10K, in hopes of flipping them, would then find it much more difficult to control the market this way as well as find their profit reduced as they now have to compete with players outbidding them. It's highly unlikely that players are going to be willing to pay more than the existing price simply because the cap is removed.

> @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > No, i don;t think we have any sort of agreement on either of those points. > > > > So the price cap fights inflation? > For one, it lowers demand on the abovecap items at the abovecap price, because not everyone is going to be willing to go off-market for it (so, some people withhold from buying, while others sell at the cap - those transactions, while rare, do happen). And that does hold back the price at least a little bit - i am quite sure that without the cap it would be higher than what it is now at grey market. > I also think, that just knowing that there _is_ a cap, and that this cap has never been changed (and there seems to be no indication it might change) is in itself a stabilizing factor on market. Yes, even if it does not directly impact anything except for a few items. People do know that there are limits, and that can definitely influence their behaviour to a degree. > > So i will definitely not agree with claim that the cap doesn't help at all. > Ok. So when you speak of inflation, you're referring to a specific item rather than the economy. You're mistaken about the cap. On what basis are you theorizing that the price would be higher without the cap? The infusions trade at a certain price and it makes little sense that the removal of the price cap would suddenly cause the prices to increase. But by all means provide your evidence that players will suddenly be willing to pay more for the infusions simply because there's no cap on buy listings and they can post them on the TP. With all of the other items on the TP, there are mechanisms in place to help pull the price towards equilibrium but there isn't for the infusion because of that cap. > > > > The price cap prevents prices from from breaching itself in the grey market? > Like i said, it almost certainly at least partially holds them back. > Holds them back how exactly? Do you really think that players think of the cap when listing their items to sell or when putting down buy listings? > I also find the claim that "rare, expensive, frivolous items have positive effect on the production of every other item" to be completely unsubstantiated. > I'm not sure what this has to do with this.

Practically any build is viable in open world.

> @"Astralporing.1957" said: > No, i don;t think we have any sort of agreement on either of those points. So the price cap fights inflation? The price cap prevents prices from from breaching itself in the grey market?

That would have been RNG favoring you most likely.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > If someone isn’t going to fact up their claim with evidence then there’s really no reason to even address it further. > > This is a forum, not a court of law, I don't need to fact up or present evidence to make the statement that "Things MAY change", If you want to keep going around in circles here we can... There’s a difference between saying things may change and refuting something on that basis. You were doing the latter.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > Ok. It’s your **opinion**. That makes more sense then. > > I'm pretty sure most people reading this thread realised it was my opinion... Which didn’t counter that what Anet said three years ago remains true. I can present my opinion that Anet has made a hard stance on what they said and will not change. What does this add? None of us are providing any evidence to support our claim rendering both statements moot. Neither add to the discussion. So until evidence can be provided that what a Anet stated three years ago isn’t true anymore, it will remain to be true regardless of the opinions of other players. If someone isn’t going to fact up their claim with evidence then there’s really no reason to even address it further.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it's hardly written in stone, in other words it can change... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well practically everything “can change” so... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly... and Arenanet's stance may well have changed in the 3 years since those statements... > > > > > > > > > > > > Except unless there’s evidence to back that up we go by what they had previously said. Just because something can change doesn’t mean that it has because a certain amount of time has passed. > > > > > > > > > > I don't need evidence to state that things may change, or may have changed... > > > > > > > > Actually, yes you do if you’re using it to counter someone’s argument. > > > > > > No, I don't. > > > > A “well things can change” isn’t an instant counter to every argument. Someone using that, without evidence to support it, is essentially making a baseless claim which doesn’t add anything to the discussion. > > It added my opinion that things may change... Ok. It’s your **opinion**. That makes more sense then. It still doesn’t counter what what was stated by Anet three years ago unless there’s evidence to suggest it’s more than just an opinion.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > > > > > > > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it's hardly written in stone, in other words it can change... > > > > > > > > > > > > Well practically everything “can change” so... > > > > > > > > > > Exactly... and Arenanet's stance may well have changed in the 3 years since those statements... > > > > > > > > Except unless there’s evidence to back that up we go by what they had previously said. Just because something can change doesn’t mean that it has because a certain amount of time has passed. > > > > > > I don't need evidence to state that things may change, or may have changed... > > > > Actually, yes you do if you’re using it to counter someone’s argument. > > No, I don't. A “well things can change” isn’t an instant counter to every argument. Someone using that, without evidence to support it, is essentially making a baseless claim which doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > > > > > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect? > > > > > > > > > > I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it's hardly written in stone, in other words it can change... > > > > > > > > Well practically everything “can change” so... > > > > > > Exactly... and Arenanet's stance may well have changed in the 3 years since those statements... > > > > Except unless there’s evidence to back that up we go by what they had previously said. Just because something can change doesn’t mean that it has because a certain amount of time has passed. > > I don't need evidence to state that things may change, or may have changed... Actually, yes you do if you’re using it to counter someone’s argument.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > > > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > > > > > > > > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. > > > > > > > > Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect? > > > > > > I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it's hardly written in stone, in other words it can change... > > > > Well practically everything “can change” so... > > Exactly... and Arenanet's stance may well have changed in the 3 years since those statements... Except unless there’s evidence to back that up we go by what they had previously said. Just because something can change doesn’t mean that it has because a certain amount of time has passed.

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"Vavume.8065" said: > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > > > > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. > > > > Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect? > > I didn't say it was incorrect, I said it's hardly written in stone, in other words it can change... Well practically everything “can change” so...

> @"Vavume.8065" said: > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > Here's what ANet has said about Mystic Coins: > > 3 year old quotes from people no longer at the company, it's hardly written in stone is it. Do you have evidence which supports that the statement made three years ago is now incorrect?

I’d stick with the WvW route then. If you, or anyone else, were to farm TD for the crystals then the optimal way would be to join a map instance which has already completed the four metas. The events that spawn after them until the Gerent meta provide a lot of crystals. I used to get 1K per cycle when I farmed the HoT maps.

Considering that they didn't add the spider mount because a lot of people have arachnophobia, and that a lot of people are afraid of clowns, I don't think it's something they would add. I could be wrong though.