[Bug] Sand Savant not working acc. to tooltip

[Aesa.4819]

The Scourge trait Sand Savant https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sand_Savant reads:

 

"You can summon only one shade at a time. This greater shade has reduced recharge. You affect more targets and influence a larger area with Shade skills.

**A greater shade counts as three shades for related traits.**

Increased Targets: 2

Recharge Reduced: 33%

Radius Increase: 120"

 

However the bolded part is bugged, it only works with the 2 Scourge minor traits Sand Soul https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sand_Soul and Blood as Sand https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blood_as_Sand

 

It does not work with

Desert Empowerment https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Desert_Empowerment it only gives the single stack of barrier, and not x3 as described

I have not been able to test if this is true for https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unending_Corruption as well, but it probably is

 

Some traits and interaction are unclear to me, as this trait was supposed to replace the need to stack 3 shades on top of each other according to the devs.

That to me means that each skills used with the greater shade should count as if 3 small shades used it in the same place, in that case all of the Scourge F skills are not working as intended (only hit with the power of 1 strike instead of 3), and all related traits like Reapers Might https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper%27s_Might and Unyielding Blast https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unyielding_Blast and Dhuumfire https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dhuumfire are also not working as intended.

 

**If the devs said that the greater shade should replace the need to stack 3 shades on top of eachother, and it says so in the tooltip, then the greater shade should hit with the power of 3 small shades - at its cost of covering less ground and being less flexible. Why isn't this the case then?**

 

 

[Jaya.2760]

It's more a problem of wording then a bug.

 

Sand Soul and Blood as Sand scale with number of shades (3 for a greater shade)

 

Desert Empowerment and Unending Corruption trigger on Manifest Sand Shade, not on number of shades. Even if Sand Savant counts as 3 shades it manifest only 1 time per summon. Same is true for the F2-F5-skills: only 1 Manifest Sand Shade triggers per F-Skill.

 

Reapers Might, Unyielding Blast and Dhuumfire aren't shade traits at all, they are shroud traits.

 

Imho they all work as intended (not saying that i'm happy with the situation ;)), but the tooltips could be clearer.

[Aesa.4819]

I see, you're right it probably works like that on purpose. Though I think the tooltips could be a bit clearer.

 

One thing that is wierd though, Unending Corruption triggers the barrier on Manifest Sand Shade.

Manifest Sand Shade is cast on you and and the shade(s) when you use F1, and also on you and the shade(s) when you use F2-F5.

E.g. using F2 will trigger the F1 attack from you and the shade(s) on a mob near you (though it is only affected once).

 

**Unending Corruption is not cast on F2-F5 though, which is inconsistent with how it works for all the other traits related to F1.**

As it reads that it triggers on Manifest Sand Shade (F1), this is not working as intended. Or did I miss anything?

[Sigmoid.7082]

> @Aesa.4819 said:

> I see, you're right it probably works like that on purpose. Though I think the tooltips could be a bit clearer.

>

> One thing that is wierd though, Unending Corruption triggers the barrier on Manifest Sand Shade.

> Manifest Sand Shade is cast on you and and the shade(s) when you use F1, and also on you and the shade(s) when you use F2-F5.

> E.g. using F2 will trigger the F1 attack from you and the shade(s) on a mob near you (though it is only affected once).

>

> **Unending Corruption is not cast on F2-F5 though, which is inconsistent with how it works for all the other traits related to F1.**

> As it reads that it triggers on Manifest Sand Shade (F1), this is not working as intended. Or did I miss anything?

 

Manifest Sand Shade and the attack caused by Manifest Sand Shade are two slightly different things when it comes to trait interaction.