sevenDEADLY.5281 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Can Kralkatorrik brand awakened? Can Joko awaken the branded? Whose magic is more powerful? Who controls a branded awakened or an awakened branded? I imagine Joko can't be pleased that Kralkatorrik is wreaking havok on his domain. And I assume Kralkatorrik just doesn't even register Joko as an thought at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Whose magic is more powerful. Lord Joko's or Lord Joko minion's ? You know the answer \o Serious, Joko was less powerful than balthazar, which was less powerful than a dragon. Kralk has now part of the power of Zaithan, Mordremoth and Balthazar itself i guess... but joko has an endless army ( which could be harder to fight for the captain and his Lackeis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 This is probably a better fit for the lore section. I imagine that Kralk's magic is significantly more powerful than Joko's is though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Delion.8719 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 It seems like they're mutually exclusive. Both involve corrupting a living creature. But once you go down one path, you can't go the other way too. Just like a Risen can't be turned into an Icebrood, or vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Ansari.1604 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Looks like you got transferred over from the main forums, but we've [http://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/18929/kralkatorrik-s-powers-spoilers](just been talking about this) and it turns out that there are Branded Awakened that fight for Kralky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlin Sanders.3587 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 well it depends. Joko's magic is quite powerful but it's also in all likelihood human magic, and human magic can be overpowered by the raw strength of an elder dragon. moreover kralkatorrik has some of Zhaitan's power which likely means it can actually utilize the awakened as a resource for its armies. had this been an issue of two dragon minions i would say it's even, but in this case they may be awakened but awakening is not the same thing as dragon corruption which seeks to transform the affected utterly - awakening only raises them with varying restrictions to their consciousness and an absolute obedience to palawa joko, much like how necros raise minions to do 'their' commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konig Des Todes.2086 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 If you allied with Awakened in early PoF storyline you will see Branded Awakened in Eye of the Brandstorm instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlin Sanders.3587 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: > If you allied with Awakened in early PoF storyline you will see Branded Awakened in Eye of the Brandstorm instance. oh true, i forgot that happened. I guess palawa joko better stay well away from kralky or else he might be a new branded dragon champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > awakening only raises them with varying restrictions to their consciousness and an absolute obedience to palawa joko Not even the last one. As GW1 has shown, at least some of the minions _are_ capable of independent thought and rebelling. He needed the gw1 hero's help in putting down his former generals and regaining control over the armies, he was unable to just order them into obedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > well it depends. Joko's magic is quite powerful but it's also in all likelihood human magic, and human magic can be overpowered by the raw strength of an elder dragon. moreover kralkatorrik has some of Zhaitan's power which likely means it can actually utilize the awakened as a resource for its armies. had this been an issue of two dragon minions i would say it's even, but in this case they may be awakened but awakening is not the same thing as dragon corruption which seeks to transform the affected utterly - awakening only raises them with varying restrictions to their consciousness and an absolute obedience to palawa joko, much like how necros raise minions to do 'their' commands. If granted enough magic to retain sapience, dragon minions still remember the things that were important to them before corruption - it's just that they're all subservient to serving the dragon. We see this in Edge of Destiny, where a Branded ogre chieftain still wants revenge for his children that were killed before the Dragonrise. It probably also explains somewhat why sapient dragon minions often return to and attempt to convert the people of the settlements they came from - they want to be with the people they knew prior to being corrupted, and the best way to achieve this while also serving the dragon is to bring those people into the fold. > @Astralporing.1957 said: > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > awakening only raises them with varying restrictions to their consciousness and an absolute obedience to palawa joko > Not even the last one. As GW1 has shown, at least some of the minions _are_ capable of independent thought and rebelling. He needed the gw1 hero's help in putting down his former generals and regaining control over the armies, he was unable to just order them into obedience. > > This does seem to have changed in GW2, probably in part thanks to Joko learning his lesson there. The current mechanism seems to be that, with one exception, Awakened are unable to refuse direct orders from Joko or those to whom Joko has delegated authority. They can evil-genie their way through any loopholes in the orders they're given and rebel that way, but they can't outright refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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