Dindon.2673 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Hi there. I have just seen there is an exploit in the River´s soul encounter. You can use stealth on the NPC Jasmine, and do all the event with only two players. Ehen i understood what was going on, i left the group inmediatly.... I have already reported this bug in game, i do not know if it is already reported, but i want to let the devs know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Actually the event has been soloed already. Not sure I'd call this an exploit but more of an oversight from the developers (if they indeed did not want the npc to be stealth-able). I'm sure there is a fix to come, then again the event is not that hard to begin with, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"Cyninja.2954" said: > Actually the event has been soloed already. > > Not sure I'd call this an exploit but more of an oversight from the developers (if they indeed did not want the npc to be stealth-able). I'm sure there is a fix to come, then again the event is not that hard to begin with, so who knows. Incoming perma revealed for the event, but hey at least it’s a free 200 power to thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"Cyninja.2954" said: > > Actually the event has been soloed already. > > > > Not sure I'd call this an exploit but more of an oversight from the developers (if they indeed did not want the npc to be stealth-able). I'm sure there is a fix to come, then again the event is not that hard to begin with, so who knows. > > Incoming perma revealed for the event, but hey at least it’s a free 200 power to thief. Yeah, very probable fix and not to hard to implement. Incoming weird interaction of this fix with Dhuum. :# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vier.1327 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I do not know... I think it is an exploit, and a great opportunity to farm LIs and selling raids Well done leaving the group and reported by game and the forum inmediatlu. That LI smells really really bad... In my opinion you made the rigth thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconut.7082 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 You must be fun at parties... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor.2358 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"vier.1327" said: > I do not know... > > I think it is an exploit, and a great opportunity to farm LIs and selling raids > > > Well done leaving the group and reported by game and the forum inmediatlu. That LI smells really really bad... > > In my opinion you made the rigth thing. Farming 1 LI per week from an already easy encounter. Game-braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vier.1327 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"Feanor.2358" said: > > @"vier.1327" said: > > I do not know... > > > > I think it is an exploit, and a great opportunity to farm LIs and selling raids > > > > > > Well done leaving the group and reported by game and the forum inmediatlu. That LI smells really really bad... > > > > In my opinion you made the rigth thing. > > Farming 1 LI per week from an already easy encounter. Game-braking. Say whatever you want... the event is playing using a hole in the gameplay. It is not game-braking, of course not. But it is not fair play. So it could be considered an exploit. Do you think the event was developed with that idea in mind? Lets make an event with a free reward... yeah for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor.2358 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"vier.1327" said: > > @"Feanor.2358" said: > > > @"vier.1327" said: > > > I do not know... > > > > > > I think it is an exploit, and a great opportunity to farm LIs and selling raids > > > > > > > > > Well done leaving the group and reported by game and the forum inmediatlu. That LI smells really really bad... > > > > > > In my opinion you made the rigth thing. > > > > Farming 1 LI per week from an already easy encounter. Game-braking. > > Say whatever you want... the event is playing using a hole in the gameplay. > > It is not game-braking, of course not. But it is not fair play. So it could be considered an exploit. > > Do you think the event was developed with that idea in mind? Lets make an event with a free reward... yeah for sure. I didn't say it was intended. I was merely amused by the notion of "farming" rewards which are weekly gated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Well, it wouldn't be the first time an oversight was made by a dev team that got exploited by raiders, knowingly or otherwise. It will be interesting to see how quickly Anet reacts to this how they go about fixing it. Over the years I've seen everything from devs fixing the bug without a word, to handing out perma-bans to people who exploited the bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McSwag.4683 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > Well, it wouldn't be the first time an oversight was made by a dev team that got exploited by raiders, knowingly or otherwise. It will be interesting to see how quickly Anet reacts to this how they go about fixing it. Over the years I've seen everything from devs fixing the bug without a word, to handing out perma-bans to people who exploited the bug. Revealed was intentionally removed from encounters. While this is an unintended effect of doing so, it’s hardly a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 > @"Chris McSwag.4683" said: > > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > Well, it wouldn't be the first time an oversight was made by a dev team that got exploited by raiders, knowingly or otherwise. It will be interesting to see how quickly Anet reacts to this how they go about fixing it. Over the years I've seen everything from devs fixing the bug without a word, to handing out perma-bans to people who exploited the bug. > > Revealed was intentionally removed from encounters. While this is an unintended effect of doing so, it’s hardly a bug. > Call it a bug or an oversight, but either way it completely changes the way the fight is intended to work, and therefore should be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennie.6750 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's most likely not an exploit, but the devs clearly overlooked this when they made this encounter without some sort of mandatory fight(s) gating the chest rewards. I think it kind of sucks to nerf stealth gameplay because it's an interesting mechanic, but asking the devs to do a proper rework of that encounter instead of a quick fix will fall on deaf ears so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miku.3025 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 this has to be fixed. i have seen in LFM seling this event for 15g. i do not think it should be done this way. it isn't hard with the normal way. the developer spent a lot of time creating this event.. and players just finish it 2 men stealth HAHA! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzjudz.9142 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 No need to add perma revealed to the event. They can just add perma revealed to Desmina, that's enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 > @"Dzjudz.9142" said: > No need to add perma revealed to the event. They can just add perma revealed to Desmina, that's enough. You nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard.4791 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 qT two manned VG. Time to delete qT from the game? Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's easy for the majority of the players to do. I did the event two times with 4 thieves and on both times the group needed both a sizable amount of practice and voice chat. Raid sellers sell the event for way less money than what they ask for other bosses.I don't get what the problem is other than the event being easier with stealth. Sure nerf the difficulty but other than that it's not a free LI by any means if done with people that don't have exp playing stealth thief. And at that point you run into the problem that every boss is a free EZ first try kill with experienced players. I thought people wanted 5 man raids, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwelgm.4315 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 > @"Shard.4791" said: > qT two manned VG. Time to delete qT from the game? Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's easy for the majority of the players to do. I did the event two times with 4 thieves and on both times the group needed both a sizable amount of practice and voice chat. > > Raid sellers sell the event for way less money than what they ask for other bosses.I don't get what the problem is other than the event being easier with stealth. Sure nerf the difficulty but other than that it's not a free LI by any means if done with people that don't have exp playing stealth thief. And at that point you run into the problem that every boss is a free EZ first try kill with experienced players. > > I thought people wanted 5 man raids, no? It could actually be said that yes, it is a problem that VG can be 2 manned, but not qT's problem, it's a problem with VG fight itself. "Ultimate challenge" content shouldn't have loopholes to avoid mechanics such as (and mainly, actually) distortion sharing, stealth skipping, etc. or allowing players with enough blocks/invulnerabilities to indefinitely outheal a boss that has enrage status. Problem gets even clearer to see when you realize these 2 guys killing VG can actually go afk for a min to a bathroom break. Nice to know there are such good players with the mechanics but when you can 2-man 10-man content, maybe these mechanics were not very thought out to sync with/challenge every class to begin with. Low man runs that have no Chrono/Druids are more impressive for that matter. Things like this actually existed in the first game where you could "solo" farm select parts of certain elite content with amazingly broken builds. The builds became so popular they just let players go crazy with it, so I assume they're gonna let it go rampant here as well. Doesn't mean balance isn't utterly broken and deserves more attention though. And whenever someone screams balance, whatever Raid/Fractal/WvW/sPvP dev just says "that's with the balance team"; this in itself is very worrying, if these people are "forced" to develop content around butchered balance and they can't have any input on the matter by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amineo.8951 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 > @"maxwelgm.4315" said: > > @"Shard.4791" said: > > qT two manned VG. Time to delete qT from the game? Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's easy for the majority of the players to do. I did the event two times with 4 thieves and on both times the group needed both a sizable amount of practice and voice chat. > > > > Raid sellers sell the event for way less money than what they ask for other bosses.I don't get what the problem is other than the event being easier with stealth. Sure nerf the difficulty but other than that it's not a free LI by any means if done with people that don't have exp playing stealth thief. And at that point you run into the problem that every boss is a free EZ first try kill with experienced players. > > > > I thought people wanted 5 man raids, no? > > It could actually be said that yes, it is a problem that VG can be 2 manned, but not qT's problem, it's a problem with VG fight itself. "Ultimate challenge" content shouldn't have loopholes to avoid mechanics such as (and mainly, actually) distortion sharing, stealth skipping, etc. or allowing players with enough blocks/invulnerabilities to indefinitely outheal a boss that has enrage status. > > Problem gets even clearer to see when you realize these 2 guys killing VG can actually go afk for a min to a bathroom break. Nice to know there are such good players with the mechanics but when you can 2-man 10-man content, maybe these mechanics were not very thought out to sync with/challenge every class to begin with. Low man runs that have no Chrono/Druids are more impressive for that matter. > > Things like this actually existed in the first game where you could "solo" farm select parts of certain elite content with amazingly broken builds. The builds became so popular they just let players go crazy with it, so I assume they're gonna let it go rampant here as well. Doesn't mean balance isn't utterly broken and deserves more attention though. And whenever someone screams balance, whatever Raid/Fractal/WvW/sPvP dev just says "that's with the balance team"; this in itself is very worrying, if these people are "forced" to develop content around butchered balance and they can't have any input on the matter by themselves. When I said that 2-man VG video was showing how Chrono and Druid are OP in this game, I got downvoted to oblivion on Reddit (like 60-70 downvotes), it's pretty clear to me that most raiders don't wanna lose their babysitters. Just remove distortion from raids or the sharing, and increase the CDs of Ranger Spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 > @"Amineo.8951" said: > Just remove distortion from raids or the sharing, and increase the CDs of Ranger Spirits. While i agree distortion sharing is an issue, Ranger spirits really aren't. The spirits aren't what's keeping them alive in that situation, it was the blocking from chrono combined with the healing from CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujc.9843 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 so is using a portal an exploit as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raguel.9402 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 > @"Dindon.2673" said: > Hi there. > > I have just seen there is an exploit in the River´s soul encounter. > > You can use stealth on the NPC Jasmine, and do all the event with only two players. > > Ehen i understood what was going on, i left the group inmediatly.... > > I have already reported this bug in game, i do not know if it is already reported, but i want to let the devs know about it. > > Stealth skips have been done since forever. They just now affect a boss for a trivial event too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 U know that dungeons are dead when ppl call stealthing an exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Dos Cavalos.6132 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The day they remove distortion sharing more than half the raiders wont be able to raid anymore.. I see lots of elitist players that think they are good and their dps is the best failing at dodging many mechanics. So sure nerf distortion and lets see those 900 li players die at vg, sloth and die at Matthias like scrubs, I would actually enjoy seeing that.. And yeah the w5 escort stealth needs to be nerfed, yesterday saw 3 scrappers doing the event and 7 ppl just gg before the event started. Is the first time a raid encounter that gives LI is this broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 > @"Dindon.2673" said: > Hi there. > > I have just seen there is an exploit in the River´s soul encounter. > > You can use stealth on the NPC Jasmine, and do all the event with only two players. > > Ehen i understood what was going on, i left the group inmediatly.... > > I have already reported this bug in game, i do not know if it is already reported, but i want to let the devs know about it. > > Your a riot at parties aren't ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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