Do You Raid?

[Coconut.7082]

Oh look, another raid hate post disguised as an innocent poll.

[Cameron.6450]

> @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

>

> They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

 

It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

[Zoltreez.6435]

As a necromancer player.... What's a Raid ?

[STIHL.2489]

I used to raid in my previous MMO, and before HoT, thought adding raids to GW2 was going to be a catastrophic mistake... after HoT, and seeing them, and seeing how they have affected the games culture, I stand by my first feelings.

 

Some games, raids are apart of them, they make them the great games they are, they feel like the next step up in along their dungeon paths.. in GW2, they are stand alone disjunctive odd ball content that would have been better if they were made a 5 person content and added to fractal levels... like . fractal levels 150.

[Donari.5237]

I prefer to do things like that with friends and I don't have a large enough group of raiding friends. I tried joining a training guild and geared up to their specs only to have the meta change to something more expensive two weeks later, plus I got no boss kills with them. My social guild attempted the escort raid for weeks if not months, and could never quite do it. One day that guild's raid leader sneaked me into an escort PuG, boss went down, and I could finally train up all the masteries.

 

In my younger days I raided with my RP guild in WoW, quite successfully -- we were never anywhere near world's first on anything, but we could eventually complete any raid while being nice to each other during the glass chewing. Nowadays I just don't want to promise my schedule, energy, and in-game resources to it. I think my attention span has shrunk over the years, heh.

[Jaquelidor.2618]

I did raiding in a certain other game for many, many years. It's less matter of having lost interest as simply not having time. Time to study strats. Time to watch videos. Time to set aside... well, time to actually run them. I play GW2 for kicks. It lets me jump each day for 30 min or so to do the Completionist and maybe advance a bit on my professions on the weekends.

[Taygus.4571]

> @"juhani.5361" said:

> Nope. Not my cup of tea in the slightest. Too structured. Too perfectionistic. Too committed. Too scheduled. Too coordinated. Too mechanics-driven-- I can't even stand the story instance bosses :p Lots of "toos," really.

 

So much this, for me also.

Including your last point.

[Felipe.1807]

> @"Cameron.6450" said:

> > @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

> >

> > They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

>

> It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

 

I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.

Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

 

[FrostDraco.8306]

> @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > @"Cameron.6450" said:

> > > @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > > > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

> > >

> > > They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

> >

> > It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

>

> I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.

> Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

>

 

Funny how those zerker players completed more content than all the people whining to them. Funny how that works.

 

And when dungeons were nerfed? Those people are the only people still running the content regularly. Also funny how that works.

 

It's almost like they are more invested -thonk-.

[GDchiaScrub.3241]

Did all my raiding in Everquest 2. Didn't really see anything new here: follow script (or abuse, hue hue hue), and optimize. That style of play no longer holds my attention.

[Felipe.1807]

> @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > > @"Cameron.6450" said:

> > > > @"Felipe.1807" said:

> > > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > > > > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

> > > >

> > > > They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

> > >

> > > It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

> >

> > I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.

> > Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

> >

>

> Funny how those zerker players completed more content than all the people whining to them. Funny how that works.

>

> And when dungeons were nerfed? Those people are the only people still running the content regularly. Also funny how that works.

>

> It's almost like they are more invested -thonk-.

 

I dont get it what you trying to say on the first sentence...I was playing full zerker on the beggining of the game before was cool man lol, where most of the community had you as dead weight, cause they couldnt survive even with tank gear, so someone with full offence in their minds should have even more trouble...I even had someone saying that we needed a Healer lol.

 

Dungeon Nerf? You talking about the reward nerf? I honestly cant find groups on the LFG...reason why when I played with my guardian again the whole story, I had to solo it all(also when i found out that they nerfed Arah Story)

 

I may be a little dumb(100% sure of that actually), but i have no idea what you trying to say, be more clear please...english is not my native tongue, i have no idea what "thonk" means, not even Google Translator was able to help me lol.

[Adry.7512]

I just haven’t gotten the time to go raid. There are things I want to accomplish outside of raid before going into it, my time is restricted.

[Lunarlife.5128]

It helps me get better at the game. Still working on some final bosses and I haven't gotten anywhere in Wing 5 though.

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

> @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

 

As I type,

* Fewer than 50% say "no not interested" or "other."

* 21% selected "didn't work out" or "can find a group"

* 29% selected "regularly" or "sometimes"

 

ANet's data can easily count "regularly" and "sometimes" and also "used to but stopped" (not quite the same as "didn't work out"), as well as "repeat instances even after getting credit" (which would measure sellers and trainers).

 

ANet can't easily measure "not interested" compared to "can't find a group".

 

> @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

 

Are these the results you were expecting? Do you think the results of this poll (and its comments) are more useful to ANet than their own data or the comments in similar threads?

 

****

My own take: 29% of forum respondents raiding regularly or sometimes sounds like successful niche content.

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

What's with the snark? At the time I typed my post, the 'No, not interested' was at 59%. That's not including the other negative responses. I'm not calling anyone's baby ugly. Please calm down. There's no need to be so triggered over a six-word post.

[Nuka Cola.8520]

Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

 

This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

[Felipe.1807]

> @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said:

> > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

>

> As I type,

> * Fewer than 50% say "no not interested" or "other."

> * 21% selected "didn't work out" or "can find a group"

> * 29% selected "regularly" or "sometimes"

>

> ANet's data can easily count "regularly" and "sometimes" and also "used to but stopped" (not quite the same as "didn't work out"), as well as "repeat instances even after getting credit" (which would measure sellers and trainers).

>

> ANet can't easily measure "not interested" compared to "can't find a group".

>

> > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> > Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

>

> Are these the results you were expecting? Do you think the results of this poll (and its comments) are more useful to ANet than their own data or the comments in similar threads?

>

> ****

> My own take: 29% of forum members raiding regularly or sometimes sounds like successful niche content.

 

So far we have only 155 votes, its to small to even be considered...Anet allready said that is a really small % of the playerbase that actually do Raids, how much is the %? Hard to say, but in the end of the day, dont really matter...Raids are here to stay, and they gonna keep adding more and more content to this kind of game mode....would be cool if this dont mean neglect the other 2/3 of the game, WvW and sPvP who are in a big need of content...PvE itself, Dungeons are completely forgoteen, they even nerfed rewards to force players who like instance content to go to raids...the worst part is that Raids basically go against everything that this game was supposed to be. This game is just a shadow to what it used to be, PvE and PvP wise.

[Turin.6921]

> @"Zoltreez.6435" said:

> As a necromancer player.... What's a Raid ?

 

Are you kidding...I cannot even count the times epidemic saved raid runs even on static groups. A optimally played scourge + epi is amazingly useful. Just because it is not top on the benches it does not mean it is not useful and that it cannot do viable DPS on a real run. No actually experienced group would reject a necro if the player knew how to play. It is just that no matter which class you main knowing how to play at least two classes is highly recommended for efficient play.

 

[Lunateric.3708]

> @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:

> What's with the snark? At the time I typed my post, the 'No, not interested' was at 59%. That's not including the other negative responses. I'm not calling anyone's baby ugly. Please calm down. There's no need to be so triggered over a six-word post.

 

Nobody really got triggered by your post. You tried to illustrate something that wasn't there with the whole "numbers" thing, that's about it.

 

People make mistakes every second.

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

Keep in mind, the poll asked for the community's opinion. And as small as the forum community is, it's still just an opinion. There's no need for anyone to go out of their way to be rude about it.

[FrostDraco.8306]

> @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

>

> This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

 

And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

[Nuka Cola.8520]

> @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

> >

> > This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

>

> And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

 

>2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

[FrostDraco.8306]

> @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > > Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

> > >

> > > This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

> >

> > And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

>

> >2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

 

Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

[Nuka Cola.8520]

> @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > > @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > > > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > > > Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

> > > >

> > > > This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

> > >

> > > And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

> >

> > >2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

>

> Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

 

Time gated by a week.

[FrostDraco.8306]

> @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > > > @"FrostDraco.8306" said:

> > > > > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said:

> > > > > Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

> > > > >

> > > > > This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

> > > >

> > > > And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

> > >

> > > >2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

> >

> > Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

>

> Time gated by a week.

 

In you only do the boss once a week, then its not really relevant talking about rewards for that which you haven't done now is it?