Levetty.1279 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I think its time to talk about how clones have no place in this game. My proposal is to remove clones as an AI completely. Make them so that clone summoning skills just fill the UI dot, maybe give an icon on the Mesmer so people can see how many dots they have filled. Since clones can no longer die I think its fair if they nerf shatters and related traits. Also phantasms no longer need to produce clones since we won't need as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 No. Sounds like a horrible direction to take the class in honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 > @"OriOri.8724" said: > No. Sounds like a horrible direction to take the class in honestly. He's being salty. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/35670/phantasm-amount-reduction-suggestions#latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 > @"Curunen.8729" said: > > @"OriOri.8724" said: > > No. Sounds like a horrible direction to take the class in honestly. > > He's being salty. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/35670/phantasm-amount-reduction-suggestions#latest Ah, I see. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 > @"OriOri.8724" said: > > @"Curunen.8729" said: > > > @"OriOri.8724" said: > > > No. Sounds like a horrible direction to take the class in honestly. > > > > He's being salty. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/35670/phantasm-amount-reduction-suggestions#latest > > Ah, I see. Thanks > @"OriOri.8724" said: > No. Sounds like a horrible direction to take the class in honestly. Something does need to be done about the visual clutter though. Maybe a lower in the cap to two or one but I think this would be a better method. Ignore the thread derailer please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonoly.4352 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Clone clutter is the same it's always been though. I don't think anyone really has a problem with three active clones + clones sent to shatter - it's been like this for over 5 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 > @"Simonoly.4352" said: > Clone clutter is the same it's always been though. I don't think anyone really has a problem with three active clones + clones sent to shatter - it's been like this for over 5 years now. I've heard pretty consistent complaints over it now since the game launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carighan.6758 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 > @"Levetty.1279" said: > Something does need to be done about the visual clutter though. Yes, but you cannot hide users or threads on this forum, sadly. :disappointed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDragon.3046 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Something should be done abut visual clutter but before the phantasm rework mesmer was not the main cause of visual clutter and its still not the biggest contributor to visual clutter imo. While IT IS BIG scourge still has some of the most annoying clutter in the game. Even in open world Several scourge shades can add a good bit of clutter I dont know if you can fully rip clones and phants from mesmers though there should be some kind of limit they cant exceed even after the problem skill fixes but to completely remove them would require another rework and we see how well thats working out right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > Something should be done abut visual clutter but before the phantasm rework mesmer was not the main cause of visual clutter and its still not the biggest contributor to visual clutter imo. While IT IS BIG scourge still has some of the most annoying clutter in the game. Even in open world Several scourge shades can add a good bit of clutter > > I dont know if you can fully rip clones and phants from mesmers though there should be some kind of limit they cant exceed even after the problem skill fixes but to completely remove them would require another rework and we see how well thats working out right now. A rework to remove phantasm entirely from the game would, at this point, be significantly smaller than the phantasm rework we just had. At this point, phantasms are, essentially, glorified bonus attacks on clone summoning skills. Our shatters wouldn't need to be changed, only a handful of traits would need to be changed if phantasms were removed. Phantasm attacks would have to be redesigned of course, but that's not the end of the world. Overall it would be a smaller rework than what we just had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDragon.3046 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 > @"OriOri.8724" said: > > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > > Something should be done abut visual clutter but before the phantasm rework mesmer was not the main cause of visual clutter and its still not the biggest contributor to visual clutter imo. While IT IS BIG scourge still has some of the most annoying clutter in the game. Even in open world Several scourge shades can add a good bit of clutter > > > > I dont know if you can fully rip clones and phants from mesmers though there should be some kind of limit they cant exceed even after the problem skill fixes but to completely remove them would require another rework and we see how well thats working out right now. > > A rework to remove phantasm entirely from the game would, at this point, be significantly smaller than the phantasm rework we just had. At this point, phantasms are, essentially, glorified bonus attacks on clone summoning skills. Our shatters wouldn't need to be changed, only a handful of traits would need to be changed if phantasms were removed. Phantasm attacks would have to be redesigned of course, but that's not the end of the world. Overall it would be a smaller rework than what we just had. Not really it would be just as big because every single skill that got reworked would have to be reworked again and skills would likely need a complete new round of tuning and we all know how things like that go. It would be an update just as big as every phant. skill and trait would need to be re done. Sadly thats not any smaller of a rework its at minimum equal to the same which is as anet put it "The most work we have done out side of creating an elite specialization." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuka Cola.8520 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 since you're at it, lets just delete mesmer. you're asking for a complete class overhaul when its Rev that needs it to be actually usable in any kind of pvp. Anet should focus on rev, and make it great, not delete mesmer so it becomes useless and a replacement for the Rev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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