Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"geist.9173" said: > > I don't see your problem. It's not the first 25 of the league, it's every game with at least 2 mesmer per side. If you give people a class that can faceroll, they will play it. > > Funny thing is a lot of the complaints are saying this mesmer build is the worst thing the game has seen, yet, you would think you would see people running 4 ~~scourges~~ mesmers on every team in every game. Anyone else find it ironic that the actual worst build the game has ever seen was also a mesmer build? I do hope history doesn't repeat itself on this front. Mesmer needs nerfs, but not to be nuked from orbit like Chronobunker was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 > @"BeLZedaR.4790" said: > I honestly don’t see the point in trying anymore, can’t care less about rank anymore. > And then the “hotfix” is a nerf to 1 skill that is a part of 1 build and is still strong. > > Ik probably everyone is fed up with mesmer threads but honestly I’m not gonna touch this game again untill this is addressed, and properly. Pretty much same thing I decided. I've supported Guild Wars 2 through many imbalances but there is a limit to support man. I think Arenanet is viewing this problem as the usual slight imbalance that we see patch to patch. You know, those unintended power creeps like during S1 where there was a bug with mantras, allowing their cool-downs to reset before even using the charges. <- These kind of things are accidents. But the state of Mesmer right now isn't even bugged bro. The design team actually looked over these patch notes, gave a thumbs up and said OK, despite the entire player base warning them directly what was going to happen. That's where I had to draw the line and take a break from GW2. Completely off-topic: What is up with these people posting in Mesmer threads who seem to think that Mesmer builds have undergone bad nerfs in previous patches? Is lol every time I see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaldaRaric.6305 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 > @"LazySummer.2568" said: > > @"CaldaRaric.6305" said: > > > @"LazySummer.2568" said: > > > > @"CaldaRaric.6305" said: > > > > > @"LazySummer.2568" said: > > > > > > @"CaldaRaric.6305" said: > > > > > > > @"LazySummer.2568" said: > > > > > > > > @"CaldaRaric.6305" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Julius Seizure.4985" said: > > > > > > > > > There is a difference between Mesmer and other overpowered specs from previous metas. Mesmer/Mirage/Chrono is incredibly unenjoyable to play against. That’s it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I brought four players back for double-xp weekend, and spent a good amount of time trying to explain absurd stuff to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * “Oh yeah, you pretty much can’t rely on CC against a good Mirage. They break stun and can dodge in CC.” > > > > > > > > > * “If the Mirage is good, plan on them having access to 8-12 seconds of evade frames in the first 20 seconds of combat. They are also attacking during these evade frames— so you get full pressure in return.” > > > > > > > > > * “Oh, that is the Chrono build. It has all defensive traits and traitlines, plays completely defensively, and will put out more pressure than some glass builds. Be careful.” > > > > > > > > > * “Yeah, you have to dodge that phantasm skill, and that one. Yes, that one too, it hits really hard, and always watch for the Shatter incoming too. Oh, be aware that Shatterstorm lets them spike again before you can recover.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good news is that one of my four friends decided to stay and has gotten on a lot since then. He was the Mesmer main... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mirages are super squishy, though. Like, super squishy (which is why they need evades). I guess you have to play them similar to how I play against Holosmith’s in Photonforge. Kite them until they are on CD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re right about Chrono, though. They are currently unkillabe if played right. So is every class, however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thieves are more squishy than Mirages, and, at least against theives, you can cc them to force their long cd stunbreaks and they basically have to disengage once they used their Shadowstep/Shadowreturn. Mirages have evades that stunbreaks every 9s because of sigil of energy, have distortion/portal as panic buttons, and chaos variants have stability spams on top that. They are not really squishy when you take all of that into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also more difficult to kite against Mirages when they have Jaunt, Blink, Sword/Staff ambush, Sword 3 when compared to Holosmiths > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief’s have perma invis to compensate for their squishyness. Mirages have 2 stealth’s(3 with the elite), so they need to be able to evade to compensate for being squishy. > > > > > > > > > > only deadeyes have perma invis. D/P's have limited invis unless they want to somehow do dmg without ever spending initiative on shadow shot and headshot, and tanky chaos Mirages dont even run invis. > > > > > > > > K, and only Mirages from Mesmer class have high evades. Every class has there “thing”. > > > > > > so mirages are not super squishy and is op because they have very few weakness/downsides. not sure what you're trying to say here. > > > > Have you actually played one and gotten hit while not evading? It’s pretty much 100-0 or pretty close to it. > > That's like saying play ranger or engi and afk face tank enemy's damage and see how squishy you are (because they have the same base health pool), which means thief/ele/guard are more miles more squishy. Mirage's access to op traits and builds are exactly what makes them not squishy. Mind you those 3 classes also all have significant tradeoffs depending on if they want to build tanky or glass for damage, whereas Mirages don't. Ranger and Engineer have ways of dealing with defense, just like every class. Different classes deal with defense differently. I’ve sustained with my Soulbeast while dealing damage in the same situations as with my Mirage. Is Mirage strong? Yes. Did I say Mirage was the most squishy class? No. They burn through their evade cd’s and melt however, exspecially to Condi damage. Mirage is extremely strong, but they do melt if you get them. People thinking they are unkillable are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk.5460 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 > @"apharma.3741" said: > > @"geist.9173" said: > > I don't see your problem. It's not the first 25 of the league, it's every game with at least 2 mesmer per side. If you give people a class that can faceroll, they will play it. > > Funny thing is a lot of the complaints are saying this mesmer build is the worst thing the game has seen... Turret Engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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