please give warrior a staff

[Dace.8173]

> @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > @"Dace.8173" said:

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> > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> > > > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > > > @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> > > > > > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > > > > i think a cool way to do staff warrior would be to make the staff have the ability to go ranged or melee. unlike other classes having one or the other, warrior would have both. ranged because warrior does not have any good ranged options right now, and melee because come on it's a warrior, they're the most likely class to beat someone with a big stick

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> > > > > > > i'm not quite sure how it would work, probably a feature of the elite spec it's tied to. any ideas, post them.

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> > > > > > The warrior already has a staff weapon. It's called a banner.

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> > > > > oh you mean those useless things nobody uses?

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> > > > Yes. But even the idea of the warrior having a staff as a weapon would just seem silly. When you think of a warrior in RPGs, they're usually the muscle of the class/profession roster, dealing a lot of damage and the weapons that usually come in mind are greatswords, hammers, axes, swords, shields etc.

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> > > > Staff would be so out of place, both thematically and mechanically. Just imagine how silly it would be if a warrior was this heavy armor staff wielding ninja doing kicks and flips in the air like a staff daredevil.

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> > > of all the silly things in this game the warrior with a staff would be too silly?

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> > > the warrior already has a longbow, a rifle, and daggers for crying out loud. very unfitting weapons for a warrior. who cares? if they can design the staff to be warrior like what's the problem?

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> > > it's either staff, shortbow, focus, or scepter. all which are boring weapons that a warrior wouldn't be using anyway.

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> > Longbow, rifle, and dagger are actually all pretty standard weapons for what the warrior is. If any of those weapons would be deemed unfitting then the staff would be unfitting too, more so as a ranged weapon. It's also difficult to convince people that your preferred weapon should be accepted when you call all other weapons boring. There are also pistols to consider and a gun-wielding pistol warrior could be just as fun. I actually see them making that their next ranged choice. Considering the image of a warrior if they get a staff I would expect it to be melee weapon. The other possible ranged weapon could be scepter though.

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> > > @"Traveller.7496" said:

> > > Staff could go with a monk spec (melee focused) or an arcane warrior (ranged, perhaps PbAoE) type of class.

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> > I can see that happening very easily if they go to Cantha. Though I think if they were to go all monk that it would likely be Revenant (who uses a staff already so they would have to get some other monk like weapon) or Guardian (I don't think they use staff yet so it would fit for them too).

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> > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > @"RedShark.9548" said:

> > > > > @"Apolo.5942" said:

> > > > > Im not partial to staf, but if they do, for gods sake do NOT make them nija animations, make them proper spear/polearm fighting animations.

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> > > > > Heavy armor ninja wielding staff looks almost as ridiculous as heavy armor dagger wielding... i just cant take looking ridiculous 2 expansions in a row...

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> > > > nobody said he would wield it like a ninja, just take a spear skin and give him spear animations, done. most fighters in medieval times used spear weapons anyways, way cheaper than steelweapons and with their longer range safer to use

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> > > > id like it because it could be the warriors midrange weapon, right now we only have very short range or rather long range, nothing like 600-900 range, could also give it some aoe sweeping attack to knock em off their legs or something

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> > > > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > > > @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> > > > > > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Hoodie.1045" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> > > > > > > > > i think a cool way to do staff warrior would be to make the staff have the ability to go ranged or melee. unlike other classes having one or the other, warrior would have both. ranged because warrior does not have any good ranged options right now, and melee because come on it's a warrior, they're the most likely class to beat someone with a big stick

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> > > > > > > > > i'm not quite sure how it would work, probably a feature of the elite spec it's tied to. any ideas, post them.

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> > > > > > > > The warrior already has a staff weapon. It's called a banner.

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> > > > > > > oh you mean those useless things nobody uses?

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> > > > > > Yes. But even the idea of the warrior having a staff as a weapon would just seem silly. When you think of a warrior in RPGs, they're usually the muscle of the class/profession roster, dealing a lot of damage and the weapons that usually come in mind are greatswords, hammers, axes, swords, shields etc.

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> > > > > > Staff would be so out of place, both thematically and mechanically. Just imagine how silly it would be if a warrior was this heavy armor staff wielding ninja doing kicks and flips in the air like a staff daredevil.

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> > > > > of all the silly things in this game the warrior with a staff would be too silly?

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> > > > > the warrior already has a longbow, a rifle, and daggers for crying out loud. very unfitting weapons for a warrior. who cares? if they can design the staff to be warrior like what's the problem?

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> > > > > it's either staff, shortbow, focus, or scepter. all which are boring weapons that a warrior wouldn't be using anyway.

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> > > > how are rifle and bow not a warriors weapon, those weapons were used for hundreds of years in war, also daggers were always carried by pretty much everyone who was in an army or a mercenary, many used a sword in one and a dagger in the other hand, a dagger is way faster drawn and more efficient in a close ranged brawl ...nothing wrong here

> > > > a scepter would be kind of weird, id imagine slapping that thi g over someones head

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> > > i am not talking real world warriors. we're talking mmo warriors. most of which do not feature warriors having guns, longbows, or daggers.

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> > Huh? Warriors don't use longbows or daggers? You might be able to make a case for guns since guns don't show up often in many fantasy games but longbows and daggers are pretty standard for most fighting classes. Hell, the king of all Warriors, the Warrior from WoW, makes use of all three. How can you claim that Warriors in other MMO's don't make use of such weapons? If it isn't fitting for a Warrior to use longbows and daggers (I'll grant you guns on a slim margine due to how they're not fantasy based elements but even then .....) then a staff isn't either.

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> can you use a gun on a warrior in wow? no. can you use a longbow? no. in lore warriors can use ANYTHING. but from a gameplay standpoint, no mmo out there gives warriors a bow, gun, dagger, or staff. so when i say those things aren't fitting. it mean's i don't CARE that they aren't fitting. which is everyone's argument for why warrior shouldn't get a staff. i swear the community of gw2 is so dense it's unbelievable sometimes how hard they try to shut down new things.

 

So you think calling the entire GW2 community dense is gonna win people over to your side? One person said that it didn't fit. The rest offered up other ideas, including the idea that it shouldn't be ranged. If when you say "those things aren't fitting" you mean " i don't CARE that they aren't fitting" then actually say that. If there is any confusion over what you actually mean it is because you are saying one thing and expecting people to know you mean another. Clear communication is important for any conversation and you should say exactly what you mean and not assume everyone knows what you meant instead.

[Arheundel.6451]

> @"Forty Keks.9620" said:

> i think a cool way to do staff warrior would be to make the staff have the ability to go ranged or melee. unlike other classes having one or the other, warrior would have both. ranged because warrior does not have any good ranged options right now, and melee because come on it's a warrior, they're the most likely class to beat someone with a big stick

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> i'm not quite sure how it would work, probably a feature of the elite spec it's tied to. any ideas, post them.

 

If one class get to be the strongest both at melee and ranged..why should we play other classes?

[Lametoile.7394]

Staff as ranged? Seems silly. As a weapon, staff is for melee, with very good reach obviously. I'd like to have more ranged options, but if we have a staff, it should be melee.

 

Just to make to make some clarifications about what has been said (cause i like to rant, i apologize): warrior staff is not absurd AT ALL. Neither is dagger, gun and rifle. As it was said, 1) it has been used by fighters commonly for hundred of years 2) warrior is supposed to be the weapon master. Any conventionnal weapon you think is suited for a fighting class, the warrior is supposed to wiel it better.

 

About staff: it is NOT a weapon exclusive to "ninja" (i hate this abusive term) and monk. Staff has been used by many types of fighters around the world, beginning by those who wielded spears, meaning basically everyone. Cause a spear is also a staff. A warrior can perfectly wield a staff.

And to clarify: a warrior can PERFECTLY perform acrobatics attacks if he wants with a heavy armor. Cause heavy armor restrict movements MUCH LESS than people tend to think. A warrior in heavy armor wielding staff the way the daredevil do is not more shocking than the daredevil itself.

 

Respect for equipment. Respect for fighters. Respect for martial arts.

 

I still think that spear as a new weapon would be by far the ideal solutions, and not just for warrrior.

 

Have a good day.

[Dace.8173]

> @"Lametoile.7394" said:

> Staff as ranged? Seems silly. As a weapon, staff is for melee, with very good reach obviously. I'd like to have more ranged options, but if we have a staff, it should be melee.

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> Just to make to make some clarifications about what has been said (cause i like to rant, i apologize): warrior staff is not absurd AT ALL. Neither is dagger, gun and rifle. As it was said, 1) it has been used by fighters commonly for hundred of years 2) warrior is supposed to be the weapon master. Any conventionnal weapon you think is suited for a fighting class, the warrior is supposed to wiel it better.

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> About staff: it is NOT a weapon exclusive to "ninja" (i hate this abusive term) and monk. Staff has been used by many types of fighters around the world, beginning by those who wielded spears, meaning basically everyone. Cause a spear is also a staff. A warrior can perfectly wield a staff.

> And to clarify: a warrior can PERFECTLY perform acrobatics attacks if he wants with a heavy armor. Cause heavy armor restrict movements MUCH LESS than people tend to think. A warrior in heavy armor wielding staff the way the daredevil do is not more shocking than the daredevil itself.

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> Respect for equipment. Respect for fighters. Respect for martial arts.

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> I still think that spear as a new weapon would be by far the ideal solutions, and not just for warrrior.

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> Have a good day.

 

I would agree, staff really should be melee for Warrior unless the Elite in question was going to be some kind of mystical, magical themed Elite. Personally, I think if Warrior gets another ranged weapon (which it should as I like running a strong melee and strong ranged weapon setup) I think it should be pistols. For starters, pistols are a highly underutilized weapon. Too few professions make use of it and I'm surprised an Elite hasn't made use of them yet. Secondly, I would love to see some more awesome skins for pistols that my Engineer can make use of. :D I also think that Warrior pistol wielding could look cool.

[Lametoile.7394]

 

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> I would agree, staff really should be melee for Warrior unless the Elite in question was going to be some kind of mystical, magical themed Elite. Personally, I think if Warrior gets another ranged weapon (which it should as I like running a strong melee and strong ranged weapon setup) I think it should be pistols. For starters, pistols are a highly underutilized weapon. Too few professions make use of it and I'm surprised an Elite hasn't made use of them yet. Secondly, I would love to see some more awesome skins for pistols that my Engineer can make use of. :D I also think that Warrior pistol wielding could look cool.

 

I agree. Dual wieldng pistols would be SSSOOOO cool... but i am not sure a single pistol would suit well with a melee weapon (in term of gameplay i mean), unless it comes with some mobility features.

[Blue.1207]

Staff is my ideal weapon for the warrior. Tho I'm not sure how it could be implemented in a unique manner that seperates it from other variants that already exist.

 

I think, a complex weapon/play style for the warrior is needed. If such a weapon were to be implimented I'd like to see a mechanic similar to kit swapping, or "stances" similar to how ele's attunements work, even if it's a simple offense/defense" style toggle, with weapon skills reflecting said stance.

 

Warriors have always been about versatility in an unintentional way, I'd like to see them really dig into one, or the other, and not both (at the same time) for once.

[starlinvf.1358]

> @"Lametoile.7394" said:

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> > I would agree, staff really should be melee for Warrior unless the Elite in question was going to be some kind of mystical, magical themed Elite. Personally, I think if Warrior gets another ranged weapon (which it should as I like running a strong melee and strong ranged weapon setup) I think it should be pistols. For starters, pistols are a highly underutilized weapon. Too few professions make use of it and I'm surprised an Elite hasn't made use of them yet. Secondly, I would love to see some more awesome skins for pistols that my Engineer can make use of. :D I also think that Warrior pistol wielding could look cool.

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> I agree. Dual wieldng pistols would be SSSOOOO cool... but i am not sure a single pistol would suit well with a melee weapon (in term of gameplay i mean), unless it comes with some mobility features.

 

Commando Espec when?

[Oglaf.1074]

The biggest problem with staves in GW2 in particular is that 99% of them are “Gandalfy wizardy” ones because Anet didn’t initially envision them being used as a melee weapon by DD.

 

Same issue with Focus. Only in recent year(s) have they transitioned into the fist weapon aesthetic more and more.

[Lametoile.7394]

> @"starlinvf.1358" said:

> > @"Lametoile.7394" said:

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> > > I would agree, staff really should be melee for Warrior unless the Elite in question was going to be some kind of mystical, magical themed Elite. Personally, I think if Warrior gets another ranged weapon (which it should as I like running a strong melee and strong ranged weapon setup) I think it should be pistols. For starters, pistols are a highly underutilized weapon. Too few professions make use of it and I'm surprised an Elite hasn't made use of them yet. Secondly, I would love to see some more awesome skins for pistols that my Engineer can make use of. :D I also think that Warrior pistol wielding could look cool.

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> > I agree. Dual wieldng pistols would be SSSOOOO cool... but i am not sure a single pistol would suit well with a melee weapon (in term of gameplay i mean), unless it comes with some mobility features.

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> Commando Espec when?

 

I once thought about a killer spec with dual pistols and opportunity attacks as a special feat but I didn't follow through

[Asum.4960]

Have been thinking about Staff Warrior for a while now (well, Spear, but since Staff has spear skins and Anet doesn't seem to want to add the most common RL weapon as land weapon, Staff could work).

 

Would love to see skills like the underwater Mariner's Frenzy (rapid Spear thrusts) on it (maybe the burst), and some high damage wide circular cleave using ammunition, you could spam to burst trash, or hold onto as part of the rotation.

No Daredevil flips and bounces, just a very high damage "melee" weapon with 400ish range could be cool, cleaving in a line/long narrow cone in front of you.

Maybe a long leap on it, ending in a spear thrust and a spear throw on it too.

[RedShark.9548]

> @"starlinvf.1358" said:

> > @"Lametoile.7394" said:

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> > > I would agree, staff really should be melee for Warrior unless the Elite in question was going to be some kind of mystical, magical themed Elite. Personally, I think if Warrior gets another ranged weapon (which it should as I like running a strong melee and strong ranged weapon setup) I think it should be pistols. For starters, pistols are a highly underutilized weapon. Too few professions make use of it and I'm surprised an Elite hasn't made use of them yet. Secondly, I would love to see some more awesome skins for pistols that my Engineer can make use of. :D I also think that Warrior pistol wielding could look cool.

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> > I agree. Dual wieldng pistols would be SSSOOOO cool... but i am not sure a single pistol would suit well with a melee weapon (in term of gameplay i mean), unless it comes with some mobility features.

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> Commando Espec when?

 

did i hear commando ?


 

 

[Dace.8173]

> @"Blue.1207" said:

> Staff is my ideal weapon for the warrior. Tho I'm not sure how it could be implemented in a unique manner that seperates it from other variants that already exist.

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> I think, a complex weapon/play style for the warrior is needed. If such a weapon were to be implimented I'd like to see a mechanic similar to kit swapping, or "stances" similar to how ele's attunements work, even if it's a simple offense/defense" style toggle, with weapon skills reflecting said stance.

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> Warriors have always been about versatility in an unintentional way, I'd like to see them really dig into one, or the other, and not both (at the same time) for once.

 

I don't think it would be that difficult to make it unique. Most of the weapon designs are unique. Staff is incredibly diverse in regards to how it's already used, even the physical uses of it from the Daredevil and Revenant have very different uses for it.

 

> @"Oglaf.1074" said:

> The biggest problem with staves in GW2 in particular is that 99% of them are “Gandalfy wizardy” ones because Anet didn’t initially envision them being used as a melee weapon by DD.

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> Same issue with Focus. Only in recent year(s) have they transitioned into the fist weapon aesthetic more and more.

 

Yeah, that bugs me too. I love making use of the staff on my Revenant and Daredevil is insanely fun. The selection of staves, on the other hand, has been subpar.