Will Rytlock ever get called out for his actions?

[MisterCheshire.4029]

Caithe purposefully stole the egg, lied to the commander, and kept secrets from the group. As well, she had been under the sway of Mordermoth, or at least at risk of it. Rylock was ignorant of his situation, and was offered help by an unknown old man who was trapped in the mists. Had he known what he was doing, he could easily be blamed for his mistake. .. however he was ignorant of his mistake up until the God thanked him for his help. While Rylock did bad, he did not do it in bad faith, nor did he purposefully mean to hurt the group. Caithe knew she was hurting the group, and did so despite the consequences.

[Loesh.4697]

> @"MisterCheshire.4029" said:

> Caithe purposefully stole the egg, lied to the commander, and kept secrets from the group. As well, she had been under the sway of Mordermoth, or at least at risk of it. Rylock was ignorant of his situation, and was offered help by an unknown old man who was trapped in the mists. Had he known what he was doing, he could easily be blamed for his mistake. .. however he was ignorant of his mistake up until the God thanked him for his help. While Rylock did bad, he did not do it in bad faith, nor did he purposefully mean to hurt the group. Caithe knew she was hurting the group, and did so despite the consequences.

 

As i'v said before, Rytlock deliberately withheld information. And we let him do it, we let him do it in the idea that if it was threatening to us he would say something, we put our trust in him and gave him space, and for giving him that trust he let us down. We gave him days, weeks, months. There has thusfar been no good reason anyone has told me for why he simply just didn't tell us at any point in that timeframe. It's illogical at best, morally reprehensible at worst. And make no mistake, as I pointed out above Rytlock was an Ascalonian and Orrian scholar, he KNEW that this was out of the ordinary, and he didn't see fit to mention to us why. Further as i'v pointed out, Caithe was being influenced by her dream, you even mention she may of been under the sway of Mordromth, her state of mind may of been altered to not be what it was normally. That is substantially less damning then if she had simply stole the egg and hurt people for selfish reasons, which Rytlock seemingly has unless there is as some people speculate, guilt so crushing on him that he's barely able to talk. However through most of PoF Rytlock seems like...Rytlock, if he felt particularly bad about what's happened to DE, it hasn't manifested in anything beyond him saying he needs a win.

[MisterCheshire.4029]

Rytlock's secrecy was not considered vital to the mission until he met with the God. Before then, what he had encountered in the mists was simply his own information, which he didn't want to talk about. He wasn't sure if the person he released was Bathazar, and didn't want to spark an issue until he was sure. As noted before, he wasn't aware the the chained individual was Bathazar. Likewise, he wasn't sure until he met with Bathazar that the man he released was Bathazar. Even when he was describing the incident, he seemed unsure.

 

While Caithe may have been influenced by Mordromoth, she still had control over her own thoughts. She had the full story and yet still chose to keep it secret. It wasn't until the players forced her hand that she even gave the egg back.

 

In short: Caithe's treachery was caused on purpose and pride. Rytlock's Treachery was caused to to carelessness and ignorance. Caithe's was purposeful, Rytlock was not.

[Loesh.4697]

> @"MisterCheshire.4029" said:

> Rytlock's secrecy was not considered vital to the mission until he met with the God. Before then, what he had encountered in the mists was simply his own information, which he didn't want to talk about. He wasn't sure if the person he released was Bathazar, and didn't want to spark an issue until he was sure. As noted before, he wasn't aware the the chained individual was Bathazar. Likewise, he wasn't sure until he met with Bathazar that the man he released was Bathazar. Even when he was describing the incident, he seemed unsure.

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> While Caithe may have been influenced by Mordromoth, she still had control over her own thoughts. She had the full story and yet still chose to keep it secret. It wasn't until the players forced her hand that she even gave the egg back.

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> In short: Caithe's treachery was caused on purpose and pride. Rytlock's Treachery was caused to to carelessness and ignorance. Caithe's was purposeful, Rytlock was not.

 

You see to me, that sounds backwards. Mordromoth controls the mind, she very clearly wasn't in control of her thoughts, that's the very nature of the dream of dreams.

 

Rytlock was unsure, but chose to keep it to himself despite the fact that if we had that information we could of done something with it.At best you could argue that was not to cause a panic, but if you suspect it's something worth panicking about you should probably tell the nearest authority figure.

 

In that: Rytlock was wholly responsible for his actions, Caithe was only partially responsible.

[MisterCheshire.4029]

Both Canach and The Commander (Sylvari) managed to maintain control of themselves despite Mordremoth's corruption. Canach even notes that strong or willful sylvari are able to resist his thrawl. Caithe's actions were not those of Mordromoth, but her own. For non-sylvari players, this does create a furthering of mistrust. The Charr don't have to worry about coming under the thrawl of a dragon unless they're killed.

 

Caithe's actions were her own. Not those of Mordromoth. While mordremoth may have affected her judgement, I would argue it is not enough to warrant the idea that she is only partially responsible for her actions.

[Loesh.4697]

> @"MisterCheshire.4029" said:

> Both Canach and The Commander (Sylvari) managed to maintain control of themselves despite Mordremoth's corruption. Canach even notes that strong or willful sylvari are able to resist his thrawl. Caithe's actions were not those of Mordromoth, but her own. For non-sylvari players, this does create a furthering of mistrust. The Charr don't have to worry about coming under the thrawl of a dragon unless they're killed.

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> Caithe's actions were her own. Not those of Mordromoth. While mordremoth may have affected her judgement, I would argue it is not enough to warrant the idea that she is only partially responsible for her actions.

 

I think 'willpower' is a really nebulous term. Is that mental defenses? magical strength? it's not like Caithe had an internal desire to harm the commander. Is it to say that it impacts you if you're a violent person? Because violence =/= evil, or i'd be condemning Rytlock for having nasty habit of murdering his superior officers. Is it the touch of nightmare? because Nightmare Courtier reaction to it's influence seems stronger, but Nightmare influence is something an individual Sylvari can only control to an extent. That's a thing we just...kinda don't know about Mordromoth.