Tankdispo.9025 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Chaotic Transference: Reduced the condition damage based on the mesmer's toughness from 10% to 7%. This trait now also grants 13% of the mesmer's concentration as expertise. Sooo? As a condi mirage we just lost dps right? Because we have 0 concentration. What are your tought on that change? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowaki.2136 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I was actually comming to ask that same thing, i would love it to be explained to me, as a chrono (boon sharer, those who actually uses concentration) you have no boost to condi damage so the expertise is useless, as a condi mirage you have 0 concentration as you dont do boons, so really.... can ANYONE just explain this to me, cuz i just doesnt make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Yeah it's really weird. I'm scratching my head currently and with any kind of hybrid or condi mirage setup there's no room to build any kind of concentration in - whether to benefit from CT or to offset the (crude) vigour nerfs. Maybe we get a new stat set in the future - power/condi primary, precision/concentration secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroatheist.9031 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Yeah, the only builds this could possibly benefit would be some sort of super oddball mirage thing with boon duration for extending chaos boons I guess? It would be weird. Honestly I'm not sure that this particular conversion would make sense on just about any class in the game. Whoever made this change clearly has only a very weak grasp on balance here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal.4513 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Anet lose mind, Riot wise changes lawl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Not sure what they were thinking with Concentration to expertise, with the condi damage loss though it seems they are trying to push dps Mirage away from IH builds to condi shatter, which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyraxy.1902 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I want to smoke whatever the person in question was smoking when they made this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I suppose the intention was along the lines of spreading condi for lower burst over longer time, and then seeing Chaos as "the boon line" thought concentration to expertise would be a good conversion. On paper it makes sense thematically, but in practice doesn't make sense given mesmer builds that use that trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabbitUp.8294 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Gotta stack that concentration to make up for the vigor nerfs, big IQ right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown.3976 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 It's part of the theme. It's a Chaos trait, after all. Anet occasionally balances skills based on a theme/concept, definitely not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlette.9684 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 deleted /15chars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButcherofMalakir.4067 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Try to think outside of the box. Chaos traitline already provide both boon duration and condition duration. Maybe it is not as good now but in theory you can build support condi chrono with both 100% condition and boon duration. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhMQNAr+fnsIC9filfCGoBUrhlhj6sDygQreTD1R1MA2sGC-jhihABS+AAMbhhmOJAyqEkX1H4TvwmKf4UJEjqwAw+ABASAupAgb6mupb6mupaT30NdT30NdT30NdTlCIw9aA-e Something like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 That build made me physically wince. The condi application of sceptre is abysmal and the fact you can't fit in Dueling or Illusions to try and make up for it should show you why a support condi chrono won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said: > Try to think outside of the box. Chaos traitline already provide both boon duration and condition duration. Maybe it is not as good now but in theory you can build support condi chrono with both 100% condition and boon duration. > http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhMQNAr+fnsIC9filfCGoBUrhlhj6sDygQreTD1R1MA2sGC-jhihABS+AAMbhhmOJAyqEkX1H4TvwmKf4UJEjqwAw+ABASAupAgb6mupb6mupaT30NdT30NdT30NdTlCIw9aA-e > Something like this Why scepter..that makes my heart hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Noun.7350 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Solori.6025" said: > Why scepter..that makes my heart hurt It's not like Chronomancer has another one-handed condi weapon. If you want "support condi chrono" that necessitates having a shield around, which means you're gonna need to roll scepter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButcherofMalakir.4067 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I said it doesnt work but that this can make some hybrid build possible in the future. And there I just showed that you can have 100 percent boon and condi duration with not that high toughness. Is the concentration to expertiese usless?? Now it is. We will see what will come in future patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aneirin Cadwall.9126 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Doesn't really address the concern here, but bear in mind that Expertise also increases the duration of [non-damage conditions.](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Control_effect#Non-disabling_control_effects "non-damage conditions.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroatheist.9031 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said: > I said it doesnt work but that this can make some hybrid build possible in the future. And there I just showed that you can have 100 percent boon and condi duration with not that high toughness. Is the concentration to expertiese usless?? Now it is. We will see what will come in future patches. In a theoretical world where you could make a build that effectively combines boon support Chrono and condition shatter Chrono, that build would be beyond broken and rightly nerfed into the ground 4 months after it was introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labesamis.9261 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Maybe some weird, somewhat tanky, hybrid Mirage that can maintain self Quickness and Might? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAncWnELDNohVoBmoBMMjlhjyf67+xHd0uhSwMA2sGC-jxRBQBA4UAwP9BMU9nTqEkjK/a2TAYm7PQKgqUWB-e This uses Vigilant gear (Power, Toughness, Expertise, Concentration) but also has a not insignificant amount of Condition damage: ~600, +300 more with both Nomad's Endurance and Compounding Power (at 5 stacks). I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlette.9684 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Curunen.8729" said: > I suppose the intention was along the lines of spreading condi for lower burst over longer time, and then seeing Chaos as "the boon line" thought concentration to expertise would be a good conversion. On paper it makes sense thematically, but in practice doesn't make sense given mesmer builds that use that trait. It is worth mentioning however, ANET has insider information on future stat combos and might be priming this up to supplement an as of yet, undisclosed stat combo. Power/Condi/Concentration/T(V,Prec) maybe? In any case, considering where this trait is and the staff trait as its alternative, I don't see this seeing any use unless somehow Scepter becomes prevalent over Staff, which given their latest "tweak" seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 > @"Arlette.9684" said: > > @"Curunen.8729" said: > > I suppose the intention was along the lines of spreading condi for lower burst over longer time, and then seeing Chaos as "the boon line" thought concentration to expertise would be a good conversion. On paper it makes sense thematically, but in practice doesn't make sense given mesmer builds that use that trait. > > It is worth mentioning however, ANET has insider information on future stat combos and might be priming this up to supplement an as of yet, undisclosed stat combo. > Power/Condi/Concentration/T(V,Prec) maybe? In any case, considering where this trait is and the staff trait as its alternative, I don't see this seeing any use unless somehow Scepter becomes prevalent over Staff, which given their latest "tweak" seems unlikely. Oh yeah, I'm curious if future stat combos either with further LW episodes or the next expansion could bring. Power/Condi concentration/precision would be amazing - I'd instantly drop grieving pieces for that. I wonder if there will ever be 5 or even 6 stat gear to bridge the gap to cele. I think Chaos/Illusions/Mirage with traited Scepter and CT could be pretty strong right now given the now strong melee counter combo of scepter 2 block into instant 3 hit shatter (could be strong with traited F2). In any case I'm still going to be sticking with Duelling unless they nerf it further (DE too useful if not using scepter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlette.9684 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I hope not, a 6 stat combo is bound to bring upon "Jack of all Trades" builds and that's never good for the game, not to mention it would make Celestial obsolete. _Sometimes Less is More!_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 > @"Arlette.9684" said: > I hope not, a 6 stat combo is bound to bring upon "Jack of all Trades" builds and that's never good for the game, not to mention it would make Celestial obsolete. > _Sometimes Less is More!_ True that wouldn't be a good thing if it moved everything towards homogenised gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 As far as I can tell, this nerf is directed towards WvW. You lose 30 condi damage in PvE and in sPvP you do not typically use chaos line. But you do not typically use it for wvw either. It is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Still waitong for a power, condi dmg, expertise, concentration stat set. With the first two as major and the former as minor. This would give so many professions new build variety. Currently only plaguedoctor could used with this. But condi chrono would ve the only thing thiss could be used in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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