TheBravery.9615 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 # Current: * Cast time: 3/4 Second * Can move while casting?: Yes * Recharge: 20 seconds * Damage: 665 (2.5) * Condition Removed: Blind / Weakness * Critical Chance Increase: 100% * Adrenaline: 10 * Launch: 600 * Knockback: 200 * Number of Targets: 5 * Range: 170 # Update to: * **Cast time: 1.5 Second** * **Can move while casting?: No** * Recharge: 20 seconds * **Damage: 2,161 (8.125)** * Condition Removed: Blind / Weakness * **Stability (2s) (1 stack): Cannot be knocked down, pushed back, pulled, launched, stunned, dazed, floated, sunk, feared or taunted.** * Critical Chance Increase: 100% * **Miscellaneous effect: Unblockable** * Adrenaline: 10 * **Launch: 1200** * **Knockback: 900** * Number of Targets: 5 * **Range: 130** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derd.6413 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 might be a bit OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBravery.9615 Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018  10characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferus.3165 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2.5 sec of doing nothing and not being able to move while not even dealing damage??? this is worse than 100b. who do you want to hit with this? absolutely useless :D. I mean walk around the warrior and attack him from behind :D. > @"derd.6413" said: > might be a bit OP just lol, coming from a thief player. Just lol you are delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBravery.9615 Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Ferus.3165" said: > 2.5 sec of doing nothing and not being able to move while not even dealing damage??? this is worse than 100b. who do you want to hit with this? absolutely useless :D. I mean walk around the warrior and attack him from behind :D. > > > @"derd.6413" said: > > might be a bit OP > > just lol, coming from a thief player. Just lol you are delusional. I mean yeah it's gimmicky but that's the beauty of it. If it was a 2.5 second long-cast, self rooting skill, it's the ultimate disrespect/taunt move. Imagine- landing this hit would be hilarious, but yeah mainly for shits and giggles because I can't come up with another way to make this useful somewhere. EMBRACE THE CHEESE edit/ 2.5 second might be a bit long though.. maybe 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryorion.9532 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Why would you want to launch someone 1.2k units away from you... you will just make them escape more easily even if you run rifle in this mobility meta... the skill itself is fine imo, power berserker isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 worst idea ever i played it back in hot for a while to knock downed player away from their rezzing mates, so my ele can blink midstomp after them for the finish rooting yourself in place in this meta is a death sentence for any skill regardless of its effects, not to mention that you would have 0 follow up because you kicked him away 1200range id argue that a skill that has a 2,5 channel, some obvious kitten animation and 170range, would still be trash, even if it instantly downed an enemy with 1 hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferus.3165 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. depends on how you see it... with casting time (that is effectively a selfstun) headbutt stuns you for 1,75 sec, so even if it connects the enemy gets stunned only 1,25 sec longer than you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. > > depends on how you see it... with casting time (that is effectively a selfstun) headbutt stuns you for 1,75 sec, so even if it connects the enemy gets stunned only 1,25 sec longer than you were. Yes, but it only takes .75 sec to cast and after you cast it if you connected your enemy cannot move either, plus as a berserker you have tons of stun breaks you can proc after, or if you had stability already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferus.3165 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > > In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. > > > > depends on how you see it... with casting time (that is effectively a selfstun) headbutt stuns you for 1,75 sec, so even if it connects the enemy gets stunned only 1,25 sec longer than you were. > > Yes, but it only takes .75 sec to cast and after you cast it if you connected your enemy cannot move either, plus as a berserker you have tons of stun breaks you can proc after, or if you had stability already. enemies also have stunbreaks and stab. headbutt is mediocre for an elite skill. Bulls charge is more of an elite skill than headbutt and the traited version is even better than headbutt in all regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > > > In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. > > > > > > depends on how you see it... with casting time (that is effectively a selfstun) headbutt stuns you for 1,75 sec, so even if it connects the enemy gets stunned only 1,25 sec longer than you were. > > > > Yes, but it only takes .75 sec to cast and after you cast it if you connected your enemy cannot move either, plus as a berserker you have tons of stun breaks you can proc after, or if you had stability already. > > enemies also have stunbreaks and stab. headbutt is a mediocre for an elite skill. Bulls charge is more of an elite skill than headbutt and the traited version is even better than headbutt in all regards. Not gonna argue with you there, but you're a moving target with bull's charge, vs what OP is suggesting you'd be sitting still for 1.5 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglemonkey.8741 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > > > @"Ferus.3165" said: > > > > > @"Red Haired Savage.5430" said: > > > > > In 1.5 seconds a thief would be half way across the map laughing that I thought I could hit them with that. I mean the self stun on Head Butt isn't even that long. > > > > > > > > depends on how you see it... with casting time (that is effectively a selfstun) headbutt stuns you for 1,75 sec, so even if it connects the enemy gets stunned only 1,25 sec longer than you were. > > > > > > Yes, but it only takes .75 sec to cast and after you cast it if you connected your enemy cannot move either, plus as a berserker you have tons of stun breaks you can proc after, or if you had stability already. > > > > enemies also have stunbreaks and stab. headbutt is a mediocre for an elite skill. Bulls charge is more of an elite skill than headbutt and the traited version is even better than headbutt in all regards. > > Not gonna argue with you there, but you're a moving target with bull's charge, vs what OP is suggesting you'd be sitting still for 1.5 sec. Bull's charge also got changed so it was an evade a way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Napkin math says the base damage for 2500 power is 22,473 damage........ thats BEFORE damage modifiers, Crit bonus, and vulnerability. Thats more damage then Worldly impact with maxed out Crit bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > Napkin math says the base damage for 2500 power is 22,473 damage........ thats BEFORE damage modifiers, Crit bonus, and vulnerability. Thats more damage then Worldly impact with maxed out Crit bonus. Now if warrior only had stealth we could be thieves with that kinda damage. :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBravery.9615 Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > Napkin math says the base damage for 2500 power is 22,473 damage........ thats BEFORE damage modifiers, Crit bonus, and vulnerability. Thats more damage then Worldly impact with maxed out Crit bonus. FALCON PAUNCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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