Blackgate WvW, returning player

[LetoII.3782]

> @"X T D.6458" said:

> > @"LetoII.3782" said:

> > > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > > How dare you cut off my face :angry:

> >

> > I don't want to see you happy.

> >

> > > We should talk more about this new map. Considering their last 2 maps (EoTM, Dbl) I am not hopeful.

> >

> > I figure they've tried showering us in glitter and we've hated it, next one: flat and uniform beige.

> > It should be awesome!

>

> Isnt that just EB? If there was ever a new map, all I want is a decent looking map with a proper layout of objectives. Dbl template just kills activity.

 

EB is their best map, triple radii lanes with a smooth center event that lets the combat shine. DBL's failure was that it's a doughnut shape because of the now-removed center murderball event that would've been awesome if the area wasn't so profusely decorated and lagged out in fights as small as 5v5's (we tried a few times, it was unplayable)

>

> And back on topic...errr BG bad, evil empire, we sacrifice puppies etc etc. We had a whopping 1 map queued on reset night, BLOBGATE!

 

You have people in every timezone, sorry if your shift is a bit light.

[Hanth.2978]

> @"Ubi.4136" said:

> > @"LPrine.3845" said:

> > Launch player returning to game. Are there any times Blackgate WvW is busy? Always seems dead when I pop in.

>

> If you want to see dead, log in to TC. Every time we get FC for a link, we are rewarded with the outnumbered buff 12+ hours a day on every map.

 

FC not too thrilled about being paired with TC either, by far the weakest host server currently in WvW.

[meri.9187]

> @"Hanth.2978" said:

> > @"Ubi.4136" said:

> > > @"LPrine.3845" said:

> > > Launch player returning to game. Are there any times Blackgate WvW is busy? Always seems dead when I pop in.

> >

> > If you want to see dead, log in to TC. Every time we get FC for a link, we are rewarded with the outnumbered buff 12+ hours a day on every map.

>

> FC not too thrilled about being paired with TC either, by far the weakest host server currently in WvW.

 

+1. FC has had the unfortunate pleasure of being paired with TC three times in the last seven links.

 

Every time we are paired with TC, we are rewarded with the outnumbered buff everywhere, team chat being ALL complaints about 2v1s (which don't happen- just call a fight loss a fight loss) or PvE guild recruitment posts, or talk otherwise completely unrelated to WvW. I mean half of team chat is the same GOAT dude spamming a copy pasted recruitment message for god's sake.

 

Every other server FC has been paired with (HoD, CD, SBI, SoS, etc) has been fun for both us and the host server. Maybe TC should focus to changing their culture to that of a winner instead of a whiner.

[X T D.6458]

> @"LetoII.3782" said:

> > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > > @"LetoII.3782" said:

> > > > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > > > How dare you cut off my face :angry:

> > >

> > > I don't want to see you happy.

> > >

> > > > We should talk more about this new map. Considering their last 2 maps (EoTM, Dbl) I am not hopeful.

> > >

> > > I figure they've tried showering us in glitter and we've hated it, next one: flat and uniform beige.

> > > It should be awesome!

> >

> > Isnt that just EB? If there was ever a new map, all I want is a decent looking map with a proper layout of objectives. Dbl template just kills activity.

>

> EB is their best map, triple radii lanes with a smooth center event that lets the combat shine. DBL's failure was that it's a doughnut shape because of the now-removed center murderball event that would've been awesome if the area wasn't so profusely decorated and lagged out in fights as small as 5v5's (we tried a few times, it was unplayable)

> >

> > And back on topic...errr BG bad, evil empire, we sacrifice puppies etc etc. We had a whopping 1 map queued on reset night, BLOBGATE!

>

> You have people in every timezone, sorry if your shift is a bit light.

 

That Oasis event was pure crap, and was thankfully removed. All it did was lag out the whole map and offer nothing but a pve style collection event. Alpine has a doughnut shape too, but the objectives are layed out more strategically.

 

 

[LetoII.3782]

> @"X T D.6458" said:

> > @"LetoII.3782" said:

> > > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > > > @"LetoII.3782" said:

> > > > > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > > > > How dare you cut off my face :angry:

> > > >

> > > > I don't want to see you happy.

> > > >

> > > > > We should talk more about this new map. Considering their last 2 maps (EoTM, Dbl) I am not hopeful.

> > > >

> > > > I figure they've tried showering us in glitter and we've hated it, next one: flat and uniform beige.

> > > > It should be awesome!

> > >

> > > Isnt that just EB? If there was ever a new map, all I want is a decent looking map with a proper layout of objectives. Dbl template just kills activity.

> >

> > EB is their best map, triple radii lanes with a smooth center event that lets the combat shine. DBL's failure was that it's a doughnut shape because of the now-removed center murderball event that would've been awesome if the area wasn't so profusely decorated and lagged out in fights as small as 5v5's (we tried a few times, it was unplayable)

> > >

> > > And back on topic...errr BG bad, evil empire, we sacrifice puppies etc etc. We had a whopping 1 map queued on reset night, BLOBGATE!

> >

> > You have people in every timezone, sorry if your shift is a bit light.

>

> That Oasis event was pure crap, and was thankfully removed. All it did was lag out the whole map and offer nothing but a pve style collection event. Alpine has a doughnut shape too, but the objectives are layed out more strategically.

>

>

 

It was intended as a massive murderball for 3-way zerg battles.

I think if it had been it's own map, with more usable terrain it'd be very popular for guilds and zergs.

 

[morrolan.9608]

> @"Artaz.3819" said:

> From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

 

This is completely incorrect. SOS has probably the smallest NA of T1 and T2, it has one of the largest ocx, and some SEA, not sure about EU. SOS has 1 fairly large NA guild, that is all. What SOS does is ppt, and when other servers just blob on EBG and don't care about the alpine BLs (I'm looking at SOR here) then the SOS score is high.

[SWI.4127]

> @"Artaz.3819" said:

> BG activity is all relative. If you are returning to BG from some time off, you'll definitely think it is a ghost town. In BG NA afternoon/primetime, you can have 2 BL maps with outnumbered up for hours and hours. Reset/Weekends are really the only populated times.

>

> Then if you hopped on another server, you'll soon realize it is just as bad. It is not that BG is a ghost town, nearly all servers are a ghost town for many portions of the day. WvW is hopefully reinvigorated with alliance matchups but ...

>

> From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

>

> Why BG warscore is so high from time-to-time is KDR. Once BG commanders log, SoS+BP power points to "victory". Kaineng + others is "not caring" to an extent as there is no real focus on PPT to stay in T1 as Kaineng's vibe is to have variation in matchups. But Kaineng is definitely much higher population in early primetime too and there are always PPT warriors (Ajax) during that time.

>

 

BP is really not that big. I was linked with them a few weeks ago.

[Sarrs.4831]

> @"X T D.6458" said:

> Dont worry everyone, maybe we should just stack a link and solve the problem ourselves ;)

 

I can never remember if image macros are against the rules but you know the meme I'm talking about

 

The one with Palpatine and he's sitting in the chair

 

 

do it

 

[X T D.6458]

> @"Sarrs.4831" said:

> > @"X T D.6458" said:

> > Dont worry everyone, maybe we should just stack a link and solve the problem ourselves ;)

>

> I can never remember if image macros are against the rules but you know the meme I'm talking about

>

> The one with Palpatine and he's sitting in the chair

>

>

do it

 

 

Something....Something... Darkside....

[X T D.6458]

> @"SWI.4127" said:

> > @"Artaz.3819" said:

> > BG activity is all relative. If you are returning to BG from some time off, you'll definitely think it is a ghost town. In BG NA afternoon/primetime, you can have 2 BL maps with outnumbered up for hours and hours. Reset/Weekends are really the only populated times.

> >

> > Then if you hopped on another server, you'll soon realize it is just as bad. It is not that BG is a ghost town, nearly all servers are a ghost town for many portions of the day. WvW is hopefully reinvigorated with alliance matchups but ...

> >

> > From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

> >

> > Why BG warscore is so high from time-to-time is KDR. Once BG commanders log, SoS+BP power points to "victory". Kaineng + others is "not caring" to an extent as there is no real focus on PPT to stay in T1 as Kaineng's vibe is to have variation in matchups. But Kaineng is definitely much higher population in early primetime too and there are always PPT warriors (Ajax) during that time.

> >

>

> BP is really not that big. I was linked with them a few weeks ago.

 

I think some of the larger guilds like DN and CL left BP.

[Artaz.3819]

> @"SWI.4127" said:

> > @"Artaz.3819" said:

> > BG activity is all relative. If you are returning to BG from some time off, you'll definitely think it is a ghost town. In BG NA afternoon/primetime, you can have 2 BL maps with outnumbered up for hours and hours. Reset/Weekends are really the only populated times.

> >

> > Then if you hopped on another server, you'll soon realize it is just as bad. It is not that BG is a ghost town, nearly all servers are a ghost town for many portions of the day. WvW is hopefully reinvigorated with alliance matchups but ...

> >

> > From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

> >

> > Why BG warscore is so high from time-to-time is KDR. Once BG commanders log, SoS+BP power points to "victory". Kaineng + others is "not caring" to an extent as there is no real focus on PPT to stay in T1 as Kaineng's vibe is to have variation in matchups. But Kaineng is definitely much higher population in early primetime too and there are always PPT warriors (Ajax) during that time.

> >

>

> BP is really not that big. I was linked with them a few weeks ago.

 

No server is really "big" anymore at least by definition we all knew 2+ years ago. BP has had guild exodus to get out of T1.

 

Similarly, BG has 1-2 weeks of sleep every now and again especially with PvE story / event update weeks. What BG does have is high levels of roamer (2-3 man groups to keep supply and upgrades low on non-peak hours) and really good non-NA hour coverage compared to most (not all) servers...when CL was on BG, it was broke on coverage (CL is now on FA+DR server matchup and FA+DR will rise to T1 easy again). BGs PPT success really hinges around a handful of commanders and people (even from EBG) who actually map hop when defense is needed. The latter is a very rare thing.

 

^^^ Mentioning CL because of prior comment

 

You all act like I don't have an account on BG for years now :tired_face:

[Artaz.3819]

> @"morrolan.9608" said:

> > @"Artaz.3819" said:

> > From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

>

> This is completely incorrect. SOS has probably the smallest NA of T1 and T2, it has one of the largest ocx, and some SEA, not sure about EU. SOS has 1 fairly large NA guild, that is all. What SOS does is ppt, and when other servers just blob on EBG and don't care about the alpine BLs (I'm looking at SOR here) then the SOS score is high.

 

SoS maybe, SoS+BP, lol...smallest...lol SoS map queues EBG and more. No other server combos outside of reset night do that for more than an hour. Let me help you, it has the largest OCX by far (no question right now). It has one of the largest SEA most days and it has a high (queue level) of NA on weekends (when it matters). Sorry to disappoint, but SoS+BP is winning based on coverage at all times. I know so odd... That being said, good for you all. :+1:

 

I have the means to transfer to SoS+BP but don't think I could handle the KDR issue.

[morrolan.9608]

> @"Artaz.3819" said:

> > @"morrolan.9608" said:

> > > @"Artaz.3819" said:

> > > From a T1 perspective, SoS + BP is really overpopulated (thic) and probably match the WvW populations of all the other servers in T1 right now (Black Gate, Kaineng, ET, and SF combined). It just is odd to see SoS+BP so bored that multiple people end up dolyak escorting consistently throughout the day/night. My guess is SoS+BP does not have the commander tags (or rather runs many smaller guild 5-10 mans) but it also does have the bloated PUG population right now.

> >

> > This is completely incorrect. SOS has probably the smallest NA of T1 and T2, it has one of the largest ocx, and some SEA, not sure about EU. SOS has 1 fairly large NA guild, that is all. What SOS does is ppt, and when other servers just blob on EBG and don't care about the alpine BLs (I'm looking at SOR here) then the SOS score is high.

>

> SoS maybe, SoS+BP, lol...smallest...lol SoS map queues EBG and more. No other server combos outside of reset night do that for more than an hour. Let me help you, it has the largest OCX by far (no question right now). It has one of the largest SEA most days and it has a high (queue level) of NA on weekends (when it matters). Sorry to disappoint, but SoS+BP is winning based on coverage at all times. I know so odd... That being said, good for you all. :+1:

>

> I have the means to transfer to SoS+BP but don't think I could handle the KDR issue.

 

BP is small, our previous link GOM had far more NA than BP.

[needbeer.1687]

bg the most populated server? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHh wow thats funny.according to anet we're 8.

[Trajan.4953]

Poor BG, Setting up charity donations for BG players, send gold in game. Will give directly to Sally Struthers

[Djamonja.6453]

> @"needbeer.1687" said:

> bg the most populated server? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHh wow thats funny.according to anet we're 8.

 

That is compared to "multiple server" links -- BG by itself was bigger than some links last week. BG is the biggest individual server on NA, followed by FA and SoR -- I think every server opened up on Monday, so either Anet intentionally opened up every server this week, or it was accidental.

[Warlord.9074]

> @"Djamonja.6453" said:

> > @"needbeer.1687" said:

> > bg the most populated server? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHh wow thats funny.according to anet we're 8.

>

> That is compared to "multiple server" links -- BG by itself was bigger than some links last week. BG is the biggest individual server on NA, followed by FA and SoR -- I think every server opened up on Monday, so either Anet intentionally opened up every server this week, or it was accidental.

 

The programming opened every server as it was supposed to based on average participation. The locks were manual and intentional. The only accident here, is telling the community one thing and explaining to us how their programming works to be a fair and balanced system, but in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

[Chaba.5410]

> @"Warlord.9074" said:

> in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

 

As opposed to mass player transfers choosing winners and losers? What other game do you know allows players to change sides to win?

[Warlord.9074]

> @"Chaba.5410" said:

> > @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

>

> As opposed to mass player transfers choosing winners and losers? What other game do you know allows players to change sides to win?

 

Politics, and war. wvw is a game but the only rules are within game mechanic boundaries. What we have is anet trying to play referee and failing miserably at it becasue they don't even play wvw and they allocate zero resources to it compared to PVE. There are too many tiers NA should be just 3 tiers at this point and all the links should just be deleted. The main servers should just be opened and thats that.

[Chaba.5410]

> @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > @"Chaba.5410" said:

> > > @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > > in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

> >

> > As opposed to mass player transfers choosing winners and losers? What other game do you know allows players to change sides to win?

>

> Politics, and war. wvw is a game but the only rules are within game mechanic boundaries. What we have is anet trying to play referee and failing miserably at it becasue they don't even play wvw and they allocate zero resources to it compared to PVE. There are too many tiers NA should be just 3 tiers at this point and all the links should just be deleted. The main servers should just be opened and thats that.

 

Games have referees, correct. Nothing wrong with Anet re-closing Blackgate (and FA, SoR) in order to keep the servers competitive with each other.

[Djamonja.6453]

> @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > @"Djamonja.6453" said:

> > > @"needbeer.1687" said:

> > > bg the most populated server? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHh wow thats funny.according to anet we're 8.

> >

> > That is compared to "multiple server" links -- BG by itself was bigger than some links last week. BG is the biggest individual server on NA, followed by FA and SoR -- I think every server opened up on Monday, so either Anet intentionally opened up every server this week, or it was accidental.

>

> The programming opened every server as it was supposed to based on average participation. The locks were manual and intentional. The only accident here, is telling the community one thing and explaining to us how their programming works to be a fair and balanced system, but in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

 

You are delusional.

[Loosmaster.8263]

> @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > @"Chaba.5410" said:

> > > @"Warlord.9074" said:

> > > in reality there is some guy/girl at the office with his/her finger on a button and in reality choosing winners and losers.

> >

> > As opposed to mass player transfers choosing winners and losers? What other game do you know allows players to change sides to win?

>

> Politics, and war. wvw is a game but the only rules are within game mechanic boundaries. What we have is anet trying to play referee and failing miserably at it becasue they don't even play wvw and they allocate zero resources to it compared to PVE. There are too many tiers NA should be just 3 tiers at this point and all the links should just be deleted. The main servers should just be opened and thats that.

 

Aawww, did you miss the boat? As far as servers are concerned, bust one then bust them all. And that is what the Alliance system is going to do. We're just going to go round and round on this subject until or if they do.

[LetoII.3782]

Everyone being on blackgate would solve many of gw2's problems.