Living World Access To New Players

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

If 'new players' are already jumping into Heart of Thorns within a week or two, I think they will probably have more issues than being confused about the story because they skipped Living World Season Two and the associated maps.

 

If they would take the time to learn the game before jumping into HoT, they'd have the Gold to exchange for the Gems for Season Two; same goes for completing most of Heart of Thorns, and again, learning the new mechanics/Elites/etc. Not rushing through all content affords plenty of time and opportunities to acquire the Gold needed to exchange for Gems for an Episode.

[tetsuo.7318]

> @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:

> If 'new players' are already jumping into Heart of Thorns within a week or two, I think they will probably have more issues than being confused about the story because they skipped Living World Season Two and the associated maps.

>

> If they would take the time to learn the game before jumping into HoT, they'd have the Gold to exchange for the Gems for Season Two; same goes for completing most of Heart of Thorns, and again, learning the new mechanics/Elites/etc. Not rushing through all content affords plenty of time and opportunities to acquire the Gold needed to exchange for Gems for an Episode.

 

Ah yes of course it's the players fault, silly me why didn't i think of that, the management running this show are of course never at fault they always make the best decisions which is why the game is doing so well and is slowly losing it's player base, revenue is down substantially every NCSoft financial report year after year not to mention they had to fire almost half of their staff last year including key devs and cancel not one but 2 unannounced projects and the list goes.

[kharmin.7683]

That's what I was trying to say. ;)

[tetsuo.7318]

And some folks here really believe they are actually too generous which is why they don't make enough money...

Doesn't really explain why newcomers don't stick with the game and in reality the game is allrdy monetized to the point there is nothing else they could even charge for anymore.

[kharmin.7683]

> @"tetsuo.7318" said:

>

> And ppl really think they are actually too generous which is why they don't make enough money...

> Doesn't really explain why newcomers don't stick with the game and the game is allrdy monetized to the point there is nothing else they could even charge for anymore.

 

My response was to @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" 's post prior to yours. Guess you ninja'd your way in between ;)

[tetsuo.7318]

> @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> >

> > And ppl really think they are actually too generous which is why they don't make enough money...

> > Doesn't really explain why newcomers don't stick with the game and the game is allrdy monetized to the point there is nothing else they could even charge for anymore.

>

> My response was to @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" 's post prior to yours. Guess you ninja'd you way in between ;)

 

yeah sry i noticed it ^^ allrdy edited

[Ayrilana.1396]

> @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > Yeah just had a few friends which i just got in to the game quit because of this. They bought the xpacks leveled to 80 and started HOT and then where completely confused on what's going on i told them they need to fork over 40 bucks for the rest of the main story to make any sense of it and part 1 is gone forever they just laughed and quit the game....

> >

> > While I agree that the marketing for LW could be more clear, your friends would not have had to fork over any money. Nothing says that players have to buy/unlock ALL of the LW content at one time. They could have simply played the game and converted gold -> gems to purchase chapters one at a time.

>

>

> Well what about not nickel and dimming them? Gold for Gems is not even a valid option for new players so most will not stick around to grind out the gems they need for weeks and months they just quit, punishing new players with paying for living world access which gets more every year is definitely not a smart move.

 

It’s not nickel and diming them to require them to purchase content. It’s content that was created outside of the core game and expansions. Anet offers a very generous promotion that gives active players these for free during a certain window. This does not entitle everyone at any time to get these for free.

[tetsuo.7318]

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > Yeah just had a few friends which i just got in to the game quit because of this. They bought the xpacks leveled to 80 and started HOT and then where completely confused on what's going on i told them they need to fork over 40 bucks for the rest of the main story to make any sense of it and part 1 is gone forever they just laughed and quit the game....

> > >

> > > While I agree that the marketing for LW could be more clear, your friends would not have had to fork over any money. Nothing says that players have to buy/unlock ALL of the LW content at one time. They could have simply played the game and converted gold -> gems to purchase chapters one at a time.

> >

> >

> > Well what about not nickel and dimming them? Gold for Gems is not even a valid option for new players so most will not stick around to grind out the gems they need for weeks and months they just quit, punishing new players with paying for living world access which gets more every year is definitely not a smart move.

>

> It’s not nickel and diming them to require them to purchase content. It’s content that was created outside of the core game and expansions. Anet offers a very generous promotion that gives active players these for free during a certain window. This does not entitle everyone at any time to get these for free.

 

You seem to have missed the point.

 

Living story is part of the expansion. I paid for the expansion, I paid for full price for the base game. I paid the same amount as everyone else who bought everything at launch, yet got less because I was taking a break from the game when parts of LS came out.

 

This is the only MMO I know of that does this. Hell, the only game I know of. The only game where two people spend 120 dollars on exactly the same thing, yet have access to different content based only on when they logged in. It makes no sense, it's not a limited time thing, as anyone can play it whenever if they spend more money. It's not something that costs ArenaNet more money. It's part of the cost of the expansion you paid for.

 

With every other MMO, two people who buy the exact same content (expansions, DLC, whatever) get exactly the same content no matter how much they play, how often they play, or when they play. Though ESOs sub means you'll spend more overall, you get all the DLC. When you buy an expansion, you get the entire expansion. If you buy a DLC, you get all the DLC. It doesn't matter when you get it, you get the entire thing. With GW2, you only get the entire expansion if you log in when chunks of it releases. You have to stay on top of GW2, or else you'll need to spend more money, or more hours grinding. Not to mention, LS is THE MAIN story line. With ESO, you can flat out skip DLC and expansions you don't want, because everything is independent of each other. If you skip an expansion in GW2 and go to the next one, you miss entire chunks of the story.

 

If it was just story quests, then it would be more forgivable, but my main issue with this is gear and mounts are locked behind this. With HoT, I really couldn't use a meta build, because all the gear I needed either required a fucking ridiculous grind, or access to all of the HoT LS areas, and I don't have all of them. I have about half of them. That's what pisses me off. Hard to get stats, and exclusive mounts, which you are paying for by buying the expansion, requiring you to pay again unless you logged in at the right time. No other MMO does this shit.

 

It doesn't matter how good GW2 is. It doesn't matter how fairly priced everything else is. This shit only punishes paying customers for starting late, and taking breaks. No other MMO does this shit.

[Ayrilana.1396]

> @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > > Yeah just had a few friends which i just got in to the game quit because of this. They bought the xpacks leveled to 80 and started HOT and then where completely confused on what's going on i told them they need to fork over 40 bucks for the rest of the main story to make any sense of it and part 1 is gone forever they just laughed and quit the game....

> > > >

> > > > While I agree that the marketing for LW could be more clear, your friends would not have had to fork over any money. Nothing says that players have to buy/unlock ALL of the LW content at one time. They could have simply played the game and converted gold -> gems to purchase chapters one at a time.

> > >

> > >

> > > Well what about not nickel and dimming them? Gold for Gems is not even a valid option for new players so most will not stick around to grind out the gems they need for weeks and months they just quit, punishing new players with paying for living world access which gets more every year is definitely not a smart move.

> >

> > It’s not nickel and diming them to require them to purchase content. It’s content that was created outside of the core game and expansions. Anet offers a very generous promotion that gives active players these for free during a certain window. This does not entitle everyone at any time to get these for free.

>

> You seem to have missed the point.

>

> Living story is part of the expansion. I paid for the expansion, I paid for full price for the base game. I paid the same amount as everyone else who bought everything at launch, yet got less because I was taking a break from the game when parts of LS came out.

>

 

No. It is not a part of the expansion. Paying for the core game or expansion does not entitle you access for all other content.

 

> This is the only MMO I know of that does this. Hell, the only game I know of. The only game where two people spend 120 dollars on exactly the same thing, yet have access to different content based only on when they logged in. It makes no sense, it's not a limited time thing, as anyone can play it whenever if they spend more money. It's not something that costs ArenaNet more money. It's part of the cost of the expansion you paid for.

>

 

Wrong. ESO has DLCs which are not included with the expansions or the core game. You must purchase those separately or buy the monthly subscription pass. Other games have DLC content that is not a part of the original released game or expansions. The Elder Scroll and Fallout games do this with the DLCs. You’re not entitled to those for free either.

 

> With every other MMO, two people who buy the exact same content (expansions, DLC, whatever) get exactly the same content no matter how much they play, how often they play, or when they play. Though ESOs sub means you'll spend more overall, you get all the DLC. When you buy an expansion, you get the entire expansion. If you buy a DLC, you get all the DLC. It doesn't matter when you get it, you get the entire thing. With GW2, you only get the entire expansion if you log in when chunks of it releases. You have to stay on top of GW2, or else you'll need to spend more money, or more hours grinding. Not to mention, LS is THE MAIN story line. With ESO, you can flat out skip DLC and expansions you don't want, because everything is independent of each other. If you skip an expansion in GW2 and go to the next one, you miss entire chunks of the story.

>

 

It’s odd that you listed expansion and DLC as them being separate but you continue to conflate them. You’re not entitled to content that was not a part of your purchase.

 

> If it was just story quests, then it would be more forgivable, but my main issue with this is gear and mounts are locked behind this. With HoT, I really couldn't use a meta build, because all the gear I needed either required a kitten ridiculous grind, or access to all of the HoT LS areas, and I don't have all of them. I have about half of them. That's what pisses me off. Hard to get stats, and exclusive mounts, which you are paying for by buying the expansion, requiring you to pay again unless you logged in at the right time. No other MMO does this kitten.

>

 

DLC content have traditionally offered things not available. This does not mean that you’re entitled to them.

 

> It doesn't matter how good GW2 is. It doesn't matter how fairly priced everything else is. This kitten only punishes paying customers for starting late, and taking breaks. No other MMO does this kitten.

 

ESO does this. For the price you would pay for a GW2 subscription version, and to complete all of the content, you could have unlocked all of the episodes.

[tetsuo.7318]

> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > > > Yeah just had a few friends which i just got in to the game quit because of this. They bought the xpacks leveled to 80 and started HOT and then where completely confused on what's going on i told them they need to fork over 40 bucks for the rest of the main story to make any sense of it and part 1 is gone forever they just laughed and quit the game....

> > > > >

> > > > > While I agree that the marketing for LW could be more clear, your friends would not have had to fork over any money. Nothing says that players have to buy/unlock ALL of the LW content at one time. They could have simply played the game and converted gold -> gems to purchase chapters one at a time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Well what about not nickel and dimming them? Gold for Gems is not even a valid option for new players so most will not stick around to grind out the gems they need for weeks and months they just quit, punishing new players with paying for living world access which gets more every year is definitely not a smart move.

> > >

> > > It’s not nickel and diming them to require them to purchase content. It’s content that was created outside of the core game and expansions. Anet offers a very generous promotion that gives active players these for free during a certain window. This does not entitle everyone at any time to get these for free.

> >

> > You seem to have missed the point.

> >

> > Living story is part of the expansion. I paid for the expansion, I paid for full price for the base game. I paid the same amount as everyone else who bought everything at launch, yet got less because I was taking a break from the game when parts of LS came out.

> >

>

> No. It is not a part of the expansion. Paying for the core game or expansion does not entitle you access for all other content.

>

> > This is the only MMO I know of that does this. Hell, the only game I know of. The only game where two people spend 120 dollars on exactly the same thing, yet have access to different content based only on when they logged in. It makes no sense, it's not a limited time thing, as anyone can play it whenever if they spend more money. It's not something that costs ArenaNet more money. It's part of the cost of the expansion you paid for.

> >

>

> Wrong. ESO has DLCs which are not included with the expansions or the core game. You must purchase those separately or buy the monthly subscription pass. Other games have DLC content that is not a part of the original released game or expansions. The Elder Scroll and Fallout games do this with the DLCs. You’re not entitled to those for free either.

>

> > With every other MMO, two people who buy the exact same content (expansions, DLC, whatever) get exactly the same content no matter how much they play, how often they play, or when they play. Though ESOs sub means you'll spend more overall, you get all the DLC. When you buy an expansion, you get the entire expansion. If you buy a DLC, you get all the DLC. It doesn't matter when you get it, you get the entire thing. With GW2, you only get the entire expansion if you log in when chunks of it releases. You have to stay on top of GW2, or else you'll need to spend more money, or more hours grinding. Not to mention, LS is THE MAIN story line. With ESO, you can flat out skip DLC and expansions you don't want, because everything is independent of each other. If you skip an expansion in GW2 and go to the next one, you miss entire chunks of the story.

> >

>

> It’s odd that you listed expansion and DLC as them being separate but you continue to conflate them. You’re not entitled to content that was not a part of your purchase.

>

> > If it was just story quests, then it would be more forgivable, but my main issue with this is gear and mounts are locked behind this. With HoT, I really couldn't use a meta build, because all the gear I needed either required a kitten ridiculous grind, or access to all of the HoT LS areas, and I don't have all of them. I have about half of them. That's what pisses me off. Hard to get stats, and exclusive mounts, which you are paying for by buying the expansion, requiring you to pay again unless you logged in at the right time. No other MMO does this kitten.

> >

>

> DLC content have traditionally offered things not available. This does not mean that you’re entitled to them.

>

> > It doesn't matter how good GW2 is. It doesn't matter how fairly priced everything else is. This kitten only punishes paying customers for starting late, and taking breaks. No other MMO does this kitten.

>

> ESO does this. For the price you would pay for a GW2 subscription version, and to complete all of the content, you could have unlocked all of the episodes.

 

If the LS is not part of the expansion, and isn't something you are paying for by buying the expansion, answer me this...

 

Why do I need to buy the most current expansion in order to play the most current LS? If it's just free content for everyone, and has nothing to do with the expansion, or the money I paid for the expansion?

 

That's right, it's part of the expansion.

[Ayrilana.1396]

> @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:

> > > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > > > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > > > > > @"tetsuo.7318" said:

> > > > > > > Yeah just had a few friends which i just got in to the game quit because of this. They bought the xpacks leveled to 80 and started HOT and then where completely confused on what's going on i told them they need to fork over 40 bucks for the rest of the main story to make any sense of it and part 1 is gone forever they just laughed and quit the game....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While I agree that the marketing for LW could be more clear, your friends would not have had to fork over any money. Nothing says that players have to buy/unlock ALL of the LW content at one time. They could have simply played the game and converted gold -> gems to purchase chapters one at a time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Well what about not nickel and dimming them? Gold for Gems is not even a valid option for new players so most will not stick around to grind out the gems they need for weeks and months they just quit, punishing new players with paying for living world access which gets more every year is definitely not a smart move.

> > > >

> > > > It’s not nickel and diming them to require them to purchase content. It’s content that was created outside of the core game and expansions. Anet offers a very generous promotion that gives active players these for free during a certain window. This does not entitle everyone at any time to get these for free.

> > >

> > > You seem to have missed the point.

> > >

> > > Living story is part of the expansion. I paid for the expansion, I paid for full price for the base game. I paid the same amount as everyone else who bought everything at launch, yet got less because I was taking a break from the game when parts of LS came out.

> > >

> >

> > No. It is not a part of the expansion. Paying for the core game or expansion does not entitle you access for all other content.

> >

> > > This is the only MMO I know of that does this. Hell, the only game I know of. The only game where two people spend 120 dollars on exactly the same thing, yet have access to different content based only on when they logged in. It makes no sense, it's not a limited time thing, as anyone can play it whenever if they spend more money. It's not something that costs ArenaNet more money. It's part of the cost of the expansion you paid for.

> > >

> >

> > Wrong. ESO has DLCs which are not included with the expansions or the core game. You must purchase those separately or buy the monthly subscription pass. Other games have DLC content that is not a part of the original released game or expansions. The Elder Scroll and Fallout games do this with the DLCs. You’re not entitled to those for free either.

> >

> > > With every other MMO, two people who buy the exact same content (expansions, DLC, whatever) get exactly the same content no matter how much they play, how often they play, or when they play. Though ESOs sub means you'll spend more overall, you get all the DLC. When you buy an expansion, you get the entire expansion. If you buy a DLC, you get all the DLC. It doesn't matter when you get it, you get the entire thing. With GW2, you only get the entire expansion if you log in when chunks of it releases. You have to stay on top of GW2, or else you'll need to spend more money, or more hours grinding. Not to mention, LS is THE MAIN story line. With ESO, you can flat out skip DLC and expansions you don't want, because everything is independent of each other. If you skip an expansion in GW2 and go to the next one, you miss entire chunks of the story.

> > >

> >

> > It’s odd that you listed expansion and DLC as them being separate but you continue to conflate them. You’re not entitled to content that was not a part of your purchase.

> >

> > > If it was just story quests, then it would be more forgivable, but my main issue with this is gear and mounts are locked behind this. With HoT, I really couldn't use a meta build, because all the gear I needed either required a kitten ridiculous grind, or access to all of the HoT LS areas, and I don't have all of them. I have about half of them. That's what pisses me off. Hard to get stats, and exclusive mounts, which you are paying for by buying the expansion, requiring you to pay again unless you logged in at the right time. No other MMO does this kitten.

> > >

> >

> > DLC content have traditionally offered things not available. This does not mean that you’re entitled to them.

> >

> > > It doesn't matter how good GW2 is. It doesn't matter how fairly priced everything else is. This kitten only punishes paying customers for starting late, and taking breaks. No other MMO does this kitten.

> >

> > ESO does this. For the price you would pay for a GW2 subscription version, and to complete all of the content, you could have unlocked all of the episodes.

>

> If the LS is not part of the expansion, and isn't something you are paying for by buying the expansion, answer me this...

>

> Why do I need to buy the most current expansion in order to play the most current LS? If it's just free content for everyone, and has nothing to do with the expansion, or the money I paid for the expansion?

>

> That's right, it's part of the expansion.

 

Because the LS uses those maps and/or features from it such as masteries.

 

What you’re complaining about is essentially the same thing as complaining about a retail store’s sale that you missed because you were unable to take advantage of it. You’re not entitled to those discounts months later after the sale ended. It doesn’t matter if those discounts were 10%, 20%, or even 100%.