> @"God.2708" said:
> > @"supreme.3602" said:
> > > @"God.2708" said:
> > > > @"Helicity.3416" said:
> > > > > @"Infusion.7149" said:
> > > > > Firebrand , tempest, or scrapper (if you don't care as much about loot bags and your commander doesn't give scout tag)
> > > > >
> > > > > Chrono / spellbreaker are both more for boon rip not really for heal output or "keeping people alive".
> > > > > Your other options are dismal: druid, any thief, support scourge (people usually run hybrid) , herald (clunky tablet).
> > > >
> > > > Tempest is dead.
> > > > It was already easily outperformed by scrapper, and then they nerfed shout targets to make sure Ele can't do anything the best.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks anet!
> > >
> > > Tempest cleanses more than scrapper does, assuming you are running the right build. It also offers a glyph rez. It's much stronger than scrapper at the small scale because of that. The shout nerf (which was known as going to happen for almost a year) did nothing really to affect tempests place in zergs, it was and is still about the superspeed, stealth, and condi conversion.
> >
> > No competent Scrapper will allow themselves to get outcleansed by a Tempest. It's not possible anymore, not with the nerf to **Tempestuous Aria** and **Water Overload**.
> >
> > Give me some of that good stuff you're smoking, as well, because I wish I could play Tempest again and get high numbers like I once did before, I really do.
>
> Scrapper Cleanses
> Fumigate: 25 cleanses every 12s (2.1c/s) (Edit: Thought it was 30, its 25)
> Cleansing Field: 20 every 15s (1.3c/s)
> Purge Gyro: 25 cleanses every 20s (1.25c/s)
> Cleansing Synergy: 5 cleanses every 17s (0.3c/s)
> Super Elixir: 5 cleanses every 20s (0.25c/s)
> Some Whirl finisher shenanigans: ?
> 4.98 Cleanses per second.
>
> D/F Elementalist, Trooper Runes.
> "Feel The Burn": 10 cleanses every 25s (0.4c/s)
> "AfterShock"/"Deep Freeze": 10 cleanses every 30s (0.33c/s)
> Eye of the Storm: 5 cleanses every 35s (0.14c/s)
> "Wash the Pain Away": 10 cleanses every 25s (0.4c/s)
> Fire attune ->Transmute: 15 cleanses every 10s (1.5c/s)
> Water attune: 5 cleanses every 20s (.25c/s)
> Shocking Aura -> Transmute: 15 cleanses every 25s (0.6c/s)
> Overload Water: 25 cleanses every 20s (1.25c/s)
> Stop Drop n Roll: ??
> Air overload -> transmute: ??
> Extra fire aura casts: ??
> Randomly blasting your guardian light fields with one of your 3/4 blasts: ??
> 4.87 Cleanses per second.
>
> The scrapper has a slightly easier/more consistent time, but the tempest is easily competitive, and better if any of those ??s happen regularly (more than once every 10s)
>
Nice, you're one of those numbers kind of guy. Doesn't matter, anyway. I have yet to see a Tempest outcleanse a Scrapper in this current meta. It won't work no matter how many numbers and skills you post here.