supreme.3602

> @"God.2708" said: > > @"supreme.3602" said: > > > @"God.2708" said: > > > > @"Helicity.3416" said: > > > > > @"Infusion.7149" said: > > > > > Firebrand , tempest, or scrapper (if you don't care as much about loot bags and your commander doesn't give scout tag) > > > > > > > > > > Chrono / spellbreaker are both more for boon rip not really for heal output or "keeping people alive". > > > > > Your other options are dismal: druid, any thief, support scourge (people usually run hybrid) , herald (clunky tablet). > > > > > > > > Tempest is dead. > > > > It was already easily outperformed by scrapper, and then they nerfed shout targets to make sure Ele can't do anything the best. > > > > > > > > Thanks anet! > > > > > > Tempest cleanses more than scrapper does, assuming you are running the right build. It also offers a glyph rez. It's much stronger than scrapper at the small scale because of that. The shout nerf (which was known as going to happen for almost a year) did nothing really to affect tempests place in zergs, it was and is still about the superspeed, stealth, and condi conversion. > > > > No competent Scrapper will allow themselves to get outcleansed by a Tempest. It's not possible anymore, not with the nerf to **Tempestuous Aria** and **Water Overload**. > > > > Give me some of that good stuff you're smoking, as well, because I wish I could play Tempest again and get high numbers like I once did before, I really do. > > Scrapper Cleanses > Fumigate: 25 cleanses every 12s (2.1c/s) (Edit: Thought it was 30, its 25) > Cleansing Field: 20 every 15s (1.3c/s) > Purge Gyro: 25 cleanses every 20s (1.25c/s) > Cleansing Synergy: 5 cleanses every 17s (0.3c/s) > Super Elixir: 5 cleanses every 20s (0.25c/s) > Some Whirl finisher shenanigans: ? > 4.98 Cleanses per second. > > D/F Elementalist, Trooper Runes. > "Feel The Burn": 10 cleanses every 25s (0.4c/s) > "AfterShock"/"Deep Freeze": 10 cleanses every 30s (0.33c/s) > Eye of the Storm: 5 cleanses every 35s (0.14c/s) > "Wash the Pain Away": 10 cleanses every 25s (0.4c/s) > Fire attune ->Transmute: 15 cleanses every 10s (1.5c/s) > Water attune: 5 cleanses every 20s (.25c/s) > Shocking Aura -> Transmute: 15 cleanses every 25s (0.6c/s) > Overload Water: 25 cleanses every 20s (1.25c/s) > Stop Drop n Roll: ?? > Air overload -> transmute: ?? > Extra fire aura casts: ?? > Randomly blasting your guardian light fields with one of your 3/4 blasts: ?? > 4.87 Cleanses per second. > > The scrapper has a slightly easier/more consistent time, but the tempest is easily competitive, and better if any of those ??s happen regularly (more than once every 10s) > Nice, you're one of those numbers kind of guy. Doesn't matter, anyway. I have yet to see a Tempest outcleanse a Scrapper in this current meta. It won't work no matter how many numbers and skills you post here.

> @"God.2708" said: > > @"Helicity.3416" said: > > > @"Infusion.7149" said: > > > Firebrand , tempest, or scrapper (if you don't care as much about loot bags and your commander doesn't give scout tag) > > > > > > Chrono / spellbreaker are both more for boon rip not really for heal output or "keeping people alive". > > > Your other options are dismal: druid, any thief, support scourge (people usually run hybrid) , herald (clunky tablet). > > > > Tempest is dead. > > It was already easily outperformed by scrapper, and then they nerfed shout targets to make sure Ele can't do anything the best. > > > > Thanks anet! > > Tempest cleanses more than scrapper does, assuming you are running the right build. It also offers a glyph rez. It's much stronger than scrapper at the small scale because of that. The shout nerf (which was known as going to happen for almost a year) did nothing really to affect tempests place in zergs, it was and is still about the superspeed, stealth, and condi conversion. No competent Scrapper will allow themselves to get outcleansed by a Tempest. It's not possible anymore, not with the nerf to **Tempestuous Aria** and **Water Overload**. Give me some of that good stuff you're smoking, as well, because I wish I could play Tempest again and get high numbers like I once did before, I really do.

In this current meta, if a Tempest is outcleansing a Scrapper, the latter is playing bad.

I don't think I've ever had trouble with that when roaming. Hmmmm.

> @"Mini Crinny.6190" said: > I doubt it will get any change anytime soon, they still haven't changed Rock Solid since 2012 If Rock Solid got changed to giving Stability on every attunement swap, as opposed to having it on Earth and nothing else, it would be a great trait to have. Maybe buff the duration a bit, as well.

More Tempests nerfs... nice. That's one more reason to not log in on that class anymore.