LucianTheAngelic.7054

> @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said: > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said: > > > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers > > > > > > > > > > > > **The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles.** Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. **This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns** > > > > > > I agree with your previous quote. Although I would love more weapons, my biggest issue with the core class is Ventari and its ability to perform as a dedicated support role (which extends to both e-specs as well) especially post-big balance patch. As a pretty diehard core Rev player, the base class is pretty great in most regards. Ancient Echo and an additional core traitline puts it at a totally respectable spot. > > > > Yeah I agree ventari needs work to be truly viable in Competitive. I think it’s generally good/okay in PvE. A bigger heal radius would be nice and if that isn’t enough then maybe some sort of fundamental rework. > > > > I agree core is in a good spot too! I only wish we had an extra core legend or set of “invocation” utilities, but even that is more of a “want because I think more options would be cool” than a “the class really needs it.” > > Yeah I have always thought such an idea would be nice, but when I imagine an invocation line I actually immediately think of Shiro, lol. Riposting Shadows and Phase Traversal kinda fulfill that mist-traveler fantasy to me. > > To be fair to ANet, I'd say all of the core legends are pretty diverse in their application and their role usage aside from Ventari. That's why I've had a change of heart and am in favor of a total rework to Ventari. Still keep it as the most supportive legend, but de-emphasize that role a bit more to make the usage more diverse in other builds, and transfer some of that supportive focus to the weapon skills. At this point I think that would be the healthiest and most hopeful path as much as I hate to admit it. A full ventari rework with more general usage would actually be really great. That’s actually a really solid idea you have. It would be nice to feel like it could do more than just mediocre healing (only due to functionality, not raw numbers) and some defense.

> @"Opopanax.1803" said: > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > @"Opopanax.1803" said: > > > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > > > @"Opopanax.1803" said: > > > > > One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue. > > > > > > > > > > Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers > > > > > > > > **The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles.** Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead). > > > > > > > > > > I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said. > > > > Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. **This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns** > > There is nothing about elites that suggest your conclusion. Completely untrue and Anet doesn’t agree with you. **Anet LITERALLY states my conclusion. It’s not even my conclusion, it’s theirs.** > > Look at many of the classes that have multiple builds with core and the same type of builds with elites. There is no reason you can't have a viable core Condi class. This is completely class dependent. There is no hard or fast rule here. However **every class has gaps in their core builds, which is what elite specs are intended to address as Anet has said themselves on many occasions** > > Though your argument fails, in general its true that elites are more powerful. I’m going to state this a 4th time because you apparently didn’t understand it the first time I said it. **Anet’s stance on Elite Specs is that they are supposed to add new playstyles and help fill in gaps in the core classes.** This isn’t a matter of “my argument fails” (which it very literally doesn’t since it’s not even my argument) it’s a matter of “these are the design decisions that Anet themselves have chosen.” **I’m not sure how the creators of their own game can be wrong about the reasons why they make certain design decisions.**

> @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said: > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > > > > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > > > > > > > > One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue. > > > > > > > > > > Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers > > > > > > > > **The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles.** Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead). > > > > > > > > > > I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said. > > > > Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. **This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns** > > I agree with your previous quote. Although I would love more weapons, my biggest issue with the core class is Ventari and its ability to perform as a dedicated support role (which extends to both e-specs as well) especially post-big balance patch. As a pretty diehard core Rev player, the base class is pretty great in most regards. Ancient Echo and an additional core traitline puts it at a totally respectable spot. Yeah I agree ventari needs work to be truly viable in Competitive. I think it’s generally good/okay in PvE. A bigger heal radius would be nice and if that isn’t enough then maybe some sort of fundamental rework. I agree core is in a good spot too! I only wish we had an extra core legend or set of “invocation” utilities, but even that is more of a “want because I think more options would be cool” than a “the class really needs it.”

> @"WorldofBay.8160" said: > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > This is correct but also incorrect. Morale Breaker (in its 50 time entirety) OR Stormcaller Weapons (which are insanely expensive for a random story meta collection) **are required** to complete the story meta achievement and get the mastery point from the episode. There are no other choices available to be able to finish the episode > > yet this has nothing to do with finishing the episode or even a story meta achievement at all. it's a map and story meta achievement. which is by definition more than a story achievement. well actually it's a map, story and side modes meta achievement, containing strikes that are neither part of the map nor part of the story. the achievement design is just inherently bad, a collection of unconnected achievements that stole us a real story meta achievement. All of those things are still technically “Story Meta Achievements” and have been since LS3. Also LS2 and the expansions **are the only parts of the game that have separated sections for both maps/story/etc.** Perhaps a better terminology would be “Living World Meta Achievements” as a more “catch all” term, but my point still stands that the expectations and grind for “Living World Meta Achievements” is **objectively higher in IBS now than it has been since LS1.**

> @"Opopanax.1803" said: > > @"LucianTheAngelic.7054" said: > > > @"Opopanax.1803" said: > > > One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue. > > > > > > Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers > > > > **The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles.** Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead). > > > > I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said. Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. **This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns**