Vallun.2071

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:

> Sry man respect as I watch all ur vids as the come out but just the fact u said thiefs roll as a +1 got harder speaks volumes to a classes poor state as were not talking about it being harder to 1v1 were talking it's harder while outnumbering the opponent lol.. If it's hard or hard-ish for a class to do its job of 2v1 with its teammate that should ring some bells. If thief allowed for quick +1's by dropping bunkers somewhat quickly while helping a teammate but was at a disadvantage vs same bunker in 1v1 I'd say that's more balanced. Right now +1 with thief takes to long imo vs the sustain of half the roster.

Remember, the idea is that thief is only weak if there are classes that are too overpowered. Look at any other class besides thief and they also look weak. We want to balance by bringing the top down not the bottom up, or as I said already, we return to power creep.

A lot of posts recently on this forum have been livid on the idea that the thief class is now unplayable. While it is true that the role of a plus 1 became much harder, many thieves are still sticking to their high sustain builds and wondering why they can't get kills when they rotate poorly. Maybe consider playing a less rotationally demanding build or watching one of my rotation videos.

Also the real issues aren't thief's balance at all. It's the more busted classes like the ranger pet, lightning rod on ele, revenants, and necros. Remember we just came out of a balance apocalypse. There will be imbalances in the game. We don't want to power creep again.

i believe misha is already playing a bit of rev

A very long winded guide on what I think is potentially the most powerful build in the meta right now, yes even more powerful than ranger. With its ability to rotate and sweep the map in its favor it can carry matches brutally. I attempt to explain as much as I can of my build choices, and how to make optimal use of the aggressive play style.

A lot of people have been saying thief is weak lately. While it isn't on the levels of some broken classes like ranger and rev, I think its very effective but requires a different approach than what we are normally used to. Here is my build guide for D/P thief with some topics on my build decisions, play style, matchups, and rotations.

With the Guild Wars 2 ranked season returning to the conquest PvP mode for the first time since the biggest balance purge, many players will be wondering what builds will be popular. Here is a meta snapshot of the very first iteration of the new meta.

As it is right now the length of smokescreen allows it to be such little counterplay. There are many things that can counterplay smokescreen, however the thief can just wait a bit or reposition inside the screen to prevent those counters from yielding any results. But, no thief will survive in a smokescreen without 1 sec pulsing blind, theyll just remove the utility. Instead of making skills unusable you could just lower the duration by 2 and keep the 45 sec cd and make the pulse not unevadeable. That still gives the thief windows of pseudo invulnerability but theyre much shorter and further apart.

absolute content, loving the shift in philosophy

> @"Swagger.1459" said:

> > @"Vallun.2071" said:

> > @"Sigmoid.7082" said:

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> > You compare necromancer doom to thief's entire class mechanic, have you forgotten that necros have an entire life bar and 4 other skills while in shroud? Don't manipulate your comparison to ignore the original point. Thieves get a good combo enabler as their singular class mechanic. Core shroud's doom is an instant cast fear that if it isnt counterplayed can result in a player being 100-0 killed which is only a small part of their classes mechanic.

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> > @"Curennos.9307"

> > I agree with a lot of your suggestions except for the deadeye one. Deadeye needs to do big damage to be even usable (or even fun). Deadeye isnt unfun because it does damage, its unfun because it comes from stealth and has no animation. Deaths judgment is fine because it has an animation that reveals them, but when the animation of it is preceeded by a no animation (from stealth) knockdown its a bit much.

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> You don’t come off as impartial, like at all, and that’s not helping any of your arguments.

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> I suggest putting more thought into the game, as opposed to niggling over petty and meaningless changes to professions. And actually type out ideas for the forum readers and devs, not use an hour long video.

you havent suggested one change or made one counter argument to my post. Instead of saying TLDW and saw how i spent more time on the thief part... maybe consider putting forth literally anything. Most of my changes to thief were nerfs. How is that not impartial? I only spent more time because I know more about the class and can give a more informed opinion, and rather than try to overheal a class I barely play I address core issues that I know are a problem.

> @"Curennos.9307" said:

> On another note. OP, I'm curious as to how you would fix thief's other....well, issues.

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> This video seems to be geared towards trimming the meta in particular - which is fine, as addressing everything else would make the video several hours longer.

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> However, you bring up 'unfun' and interactability multiple times. I'd like to know your take on some of the deeper issues, for thief in particular. in this case, the heavy, heavy reliance on Trickery, which turns Steal from a 'meh' skill into something class defining, to the point where running without Trickery in spvp just isn't viable...or if you do see a build without it, it's one of those 1-shot setups. Steal varies between meh and kitten amazing with no in between, which is...very alarming class design.

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> Steal itself is also rather un-interactable - missing Steal or Swipe (I feel the pain of DE's Mark having a cast time...) is either because your opponent got lucky/is an absolute god and evaded/blinded/etc when the thief used Steal, or the thief screwed up and that's on them.

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> On one hand, it's part of what keeps thief in the meta. On the other, it's basically the poster child for uninteractable, instant cast overloaded skills.

steal doesnt do damage, its the massive stats given by assassin signet that makes the backstab you steal into them do damage. Steal requires no nerfs as ive said many times before because it is a class built around being squishy but faster than those more durable classes. Theres no identity to the class if you change steal and give thief more survivability in return. Also landing steal can be lucky or unlucky at some times, but because the class is so depending on this "burst enabler" it turns the playstyle into a hit and run class, which is fine. It is a high skill class because it cant just trade one for one with any others. Steal is not uninteractive. One shots from stealth are.

@"Sigmoid.7082" said:

You compare necromancer doom to thief's entire class mechanic, have you forgotten that necros have an entire life bar and 4 other skills while in shroud? Don't manipulate your comparison to ignore the original point. Thieves get a good combo enabler as their singular class mechanic. Core shroud's doom is an instant cast fear that if it isnt counterplayed can result in a player being 100-0 killed which is only a small part of their classes mechanic.

@"Curennos.9307"

I agree with a lot of your suggestions except for the deadeye one. Deadeye needs to do big damage to be even usable (or even fun). Deadeye isnt unfun because it does damage, its unfun because it comes from stealth and has no animation. Deaths judgment is fine because it has an animation that reveals them, but when the animation of it is preceeded by a no animation (from stealth) knockdown its a bit much.

> @"Cheeseball C.8395" said:

> > @"Vallun.2071" said:

> > > @"Cheeseball C.8395" said:

> > > 56:25 "so basically another issue here, just like lightning strike, is core necros have a instant cast fear!"

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> > > ... kept watching and the only reason for nerf suggestion was just because it's instant? Then by that logic nerf thief steal to have a visual cast time rather than being instant lol.

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> > > The reaper build i use for 5v5s are very unfavorable for 1v1s and reaper is one of the easiest classes to 2v1 which is why it's generally bad to take 1v1s on reaper. It's ability to gank hard high risk high reward is part of it's identity as a team main damage role which takes part in stopping bunker metas from emerging. People generally don't cry for reaper nerfs because it is the class with the obvious weakness of no access to complete damage nullification other than their base 2 dodges hence making them being targets the more consistent to not lose value from.

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> > > The class balance suggestions from the video seems to be taken for more of a 1v1 type balance which the game isn't meant for. I couldn't find any explanations on how any of these suggestions would effect other classes as a whole. I think the concept of conquest, the impact to the meta, and the weakness of all classes should be considered and explained to make these suggestions a little more convincing. A true balance to 1v1 is literally making every class the same and I think people would rather have the classes all have their own identity.

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> > > The title should be Changes "i want" rather than putting "WE" because there was not any mention of anyone else's opinions on their classes and others.

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> > except the difference is that steal does nothing until 6 traits are devoted to it and it is the main class mechanic of thief, meanwhile necros have an instant cast 3 sec cc that ticks damage, thieves dont even take deadly arts anymore, thats how irrelevant steal is and it does no damage now and only a boon steal and 1 sec daze. Your arguments seem to be changes only you want to prevent because youre a biased necro main. Meanwhile I play your class better than you and still want my main to be nerfed more. Good attempt at a discussion, but just skipping to the necro part and assuming i dont nerf anything else (btw i nerf thief harder in my suggestions than i do necro since you didnt watch) isn't really proving much.

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> 1:13:05 "If you think otherwise though, let me know in the comments if you think my suggestions are bad or if they are extremely biased... let me know lets discuss the game because that is how it becomes better." Literally at the end of the video you blocked the dislike bar and comments for. "meanwhile i play your class better than you..." getting personal over arguments you welcomed discussions for at the end of your video is what I would call unwelcoming, condescending and dishonest.

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> "except the difference is that steal does nothing until 6 traits are devoted to it ..."

> has nothing to do with the point of your argument that core necro needs to remove the instant cast of it's shroud 3 because "it's instant." Reaper needs to commit a trait-line for spite and or soul reaping to have self might and high burst damage could be seen as the same argument however like your quote, it steers the attention away from the point I stated.

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> "thieves dont even take deadly arts anymore" ..

> steal traits are in trickery which almost all thieves use all the time but it isn't even the point of what I said.

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> I'm pointing out the lack of elaboration and reasoning of your suggestions for nerfs. Saying someone wants their own main nerfed more does not justify anyone throwing nerfs at other classes or even on their own main that other people play with no clear productive reasoning of it's impact on spvp as a whole.

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> "Your arguments seem to be changes only you want to prevent because youre a biased necro main." Yeah I have a favorite class I like to play so i'm very prone to being biased towards it just like everyone else who plays this game.

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> "...assuming i dont nerf anything else isn't really proving much (proving what)/ since you didnt watch" Making instant assumptions that people did not watch the video you spent a lot of time making just because they talked about class they are known for can be taken as insulting for those who actually bothered spending some of their time to watch. And from MY watching, still most of the suggestions "nerf bulls rush because it's high impact" "remove the weakness from mantra of truth because it's cover condi and weakness isn't something gaurdian should be giving" "nerf ranger longbow range to 1200 because it's too long and makes it unfun for wvw" While you gave some good points that many may agree with, you focused only the skills themselves for the class they belong to (based on how your "feel" on their effectiveness) WITHOUT mentioning anything how it positively or negatively affects any of the other classes builds and roles in spvp since you are going out of your way to discuss changes for ALL classes. Once scourge got one change to the mechanic of their shades no longer working on themselves, there is a noticeable decline in scourge play in competitive spvp anymore which in my opinion impacted spvp as an indirect buff to builds with many boons like holos, revs and firebrands to be more prominent in the meta. The rise of meta power rev builds after the initial HoT bunker meta in 2015 nerf made power reapers less viable in higher tier play. Inputting so many changes, although with good intent, without considering how it affects everything else may lead to unwanted problems that weren't intended.

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> This content creator feedback felt a little defensive, toxic and condescending rather than a productive discussion about how the game can be improved with the help of diverse point of views.

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> The Mighty Lu Bu disapproves 0 points. I expected better.

Youtube removed comments for videos based on some stuff but its back now. Also you mentioned this in your first post "The title should be Changes "i want" rather than putting "WE" because there was not any mention of anyone else's opinions on their classes and others." which is the epitome of defensive since i was way more harsh on thief than on necro, but because you want only necro to be overpowered you ignore any other changes i suggest and want necro to be untouched DESPITE wanting other classes to get nerfed harder. Admit that you are biased and allow the game to be balanced, and don't attack someone who has way more perspective on you because they know whats best for you :)

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"Vallun.2071" said:

> > Buff Swipe to 900 Range

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> Yeah, no. If anything should be happening to Swipe it should be it loses Unblockable so taking daredevil is an actual trade off, rather than this wishy washy "We know thieves will get TOO mad if it loses range so let's give them Unblockable on a skill that is already one of the most impactful and least counterplayable things in the game."

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You realize that core thieves have 1200 range steal right? Is the issue that swipe has unblockable or that it can have range? Also the trade off to daredevil is already exhaustion, if you want to make that argument. The only thing you have an issue with is that steal gives plasma, lets be honest youre a biased mesmer main. I'd be fine with a plasma nerf too but tbh its sort of irrelevant now that thieves dont even take deadly arts anymore.

Also I apologize to any weavers, I didnt read one of the traits correctly, but did suggest a nerf on the barrier grandmaster that grimjack suggested nerfing to me before. So if you dont believe me at least believe him

> @"Cheeseball C.8395" said:

> 56:25 "so basically another issue here, just like lightning strike, is core necros have a instant cast fear!"

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> ... kept watching and the only reason for nerf suggestion was just because it's instant? Then by that logic nerf thief steal to have a visual cast time rather than being instant lol.

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> The reaper build i use for 5v5s are very unfavorable for 1v1s and reaper is one of the easiest classes to 2v1 which is why it's generally bad to take 1v1s on reaper. It's ability to gank hard high risk high reward is part of it's identity as a team main damage role which takes part in stopping bunker metas from emerging. People generally don't cry for reaper nerfs because it is the class with the obvious weakness of no access to complete damage nullification other than their base 2 dodges hence making them being targets the more consistent to not lose value from.

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> The class balance suggestions from the video seems to be taken for more of a 1v1 type balance which the game isn't meant for. I couldn't find any explanations on how any of these suggestions would effect other classes as a whole. I think the concept of conquest, the impact to the meta, and the weakness of all classes should be considered and explained to make these suggestions a little more convincing. A true balance to 1v1 is literally making every class the same and I think people would rather have the classes all have their own identity.

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> The title should be Changes "i want" rather than putting "WE" because there was not any mention of anyone else's opinions on their classes and others.

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except the difference is that steal does nothing until 6 traits are devoted to it and it is the main class mechanic of thief, meanwhile necros have an instant cast 3 sec cc that ticks damage, thieves dont even take deadly arts anymore, thats how irrelevant steal is and it does no damage now and only a boon steal and 1 sec daze. Your arguments seem to be changes only you want to prevent because youre a biased necro main. Meanwhile I play your class better than you and still want my main to be nerfed more. Good attempt at a discussion, but just skipping to the necro part and assuming i dont nerf anything else (btw i nerf thief harder in my suggestions than i do necro since you didnt watch) isn't really proving much.

or allow day/night cycles so it doesnt get too pma

definitely good ideas though I don't agree with the power creep ideas, freeing up some of the choices with the making of elemental bastion baseline would also make tempest dps builds a bit more sustainable and viable while tempest already has decent trade offs.

Another point is that if they want daredevil to be a melee class, reduicng steal's range doesn't really achieve that. If anything it prevents thieves from getting into melee range and leaves them easily kited. If they want to nerf daredevil to make it more of a give and take for choosing an elite spec then they should revert exhaustion on dash thief because that was already the give and take. A range reduction is a much heavier nerf than an unblockable swipe benefits because range is much more versatile in all situations than unblockable. Personally i think 1200 range is too far for any thief to steal from, 900 range is much more interactive range. As mentioned before 600 is a bit too small where you couldnt even steal through legacy mid point, you couldnt steal to someone standing on a side node on skyhammer when youre on the other side of the dividing wall. It would definitely be a huge nerf to the playability of the class and not so much the powerlevel.

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@"dolofanboy.8140" did you also vote with all of your alt accounts tpotHehe

> @"Ericon.5104" said:

> Can you specify the black lion skin(s), there's a big difference between Chaos Greatsword Skin and Glacial Rifle Skin. Besides that, nice to see you hosting something unique! Good luck to all participants.

its gonna be cheaper ones ive been saving in my bank as investments

What is a transmutation competition?

It is a fashion show that awards prizes for the top three. Using my knowledge of all the skins i've obtained over the years (sitting on rank 80 on gw2efficiency wardrobe unlocked) I will judge each entrant based on my opinion but also some objective measures.

What are some of the preferences of the judge?

Creativity, effort, and theme are important. Just putting on an outfit you bought from the gem store for 700 gems isn't going to be very unique, but also a set of transmutations that don't match or aren't distinct won't make enough of an impact. Less is more sometimes, but creativity comes at a risk. Also if your outfit has to be explained it loses some of the emotion.

What are the prizes?

1st place: 250 gold and black lion skins

2nd place: black lion skins

3rd place: one black lion skin

How do I enter?

This is only for NA servers, but mailing vallun.2071 in game or responding to this post saying something like "I will join, I am accountname.1234" will be enough to enter. Make sure to be able to join the desert guild hall (Lost Precipice) where it will take place. Entrants will be capped out at however many can fit in the squad or guild hall.

When and where will this take place?

About 3 and a half hours from when this post goes live, I will be streaming it at

The European Annual Revised Leaderboards is a relative measurement of skill of the community players using observable and historical factors other than their ranked ratings, which are not the sole display of skill. These ratings are arbitrary but a score of 90 or higher denotes pro tier. There are players that belong in between the ranges covered, but in order to be concise some have been left out.

Mesmer

Misha 93

Flandre 88

Kaazers 85

Luana 84

Flanby 83

Diverse 82

Aceman 80

Helix 79

Hitalok 78

Engineer

Zan 95

Drazeh 90

Thijsken 88

Floody 82

Falan 82

Lary Pe 81

CrazyDexay 81

Angeels 80

Son of Norway 79

Jawgeous 78

Ranger

ROM 94

Boyce 94

Treesixty 87

Zorg 86

leFrere 85

Div 84

Stronlo 82

Revenant

Frostball 91

Ultrasnob 88

Sikieki 85

Obindo 84

Vebryan 83

MASE 82

Tramadex 81

Uchiha 80

Tenebrae 79

Briseis 75

Thief

Sindrener 94

Fly 86

Kaitori 85

Pain 84

Faeleth 82

Tisar 81

Guardian

Tage 95

Cookie 88

Chunsu 86

Hybrid 85

Grimkram (core) 85

Blackjack 84

Grochaton 83

Mde Mde (core) 82

Kris 81

God Tier Guardian (core) 81

Nemesis (core) 81

Vin Aeon 73

Necromancer

Wing 92

Sinid 89

Thijsken 88

Posi 86

Ace 84

Mijo 83

Hollts 82

Warrior

Boyce 92

Obindo 90

Zyntrex 87

Tramadex 86

Goku 85

Rayzen 85

Prickle Berry 83

Thybz 82

Shuriken 81

Ajaxx 80

Elementalist

Crann 90

Illegal Math 85

Cellofrag 83