Vasdamas Anklast.1607

That was the best week of my GW2 roaming. Or perhaps best time in GW2 at all, no chance for puny suckers to get insta revived in outnumbered fights.

Not to mention that ya know, some classes have much better downstates than the others.

Getting better at that build I see. Loved the part where you rekt sorry-ass mirages, such a non-meta delight

> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > Cyber bullied class.............WAT

> >

> > I don't have words to describe this lvl of outrage lmao "Cyber bullied class" The only who are getting bullied here are people of the other classes that never chose to cater towards this class overpowered state because this kitten mirage mesmer spec is a meme. If there is some kitten going on you can't easily deal on your main class - hop on mirage. If you suck at GW2 pvp in general - roll a mirage.

> > Stop acting like you are a victim, your class DESTROYED this game's pvp. It's time you get properly nerfed until you are completely irrelevant so people stop creating mesmers to cheese in competitive modes.

> >

> > And for "useful argumentation"- your class can evade (kek and also stunbreak) while casting abilities to counter whatever your enemy is up to. That's probably the most overpowered kitten Mirage ever offer.

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> Actually, no.

> The class that actually destroyed pvp is scourge.

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> Scourge was the sole reason everyone had to change their playstyle.

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> Scourge was the reason most if not all of the HoT bunkers became null and void.

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> Scourge taught people not to run straight to mid, but try to engage people in other ways.

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> Scourge made people reroll to DE,Boonbeast,Core Ranger (insert ranged counter here), because people got tired of dying in melee since melee was and has been super strong for obvious reasons.

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> Scourge (that was supposed to be a support class) became a harsher condi class that makes core necro look like a still-in-beta spec because Anet decided that their 'support' spec needed more damage for some reason.

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> Scourge literally flipped everything we knew on it's head and told us to shape up or git rekt, cause look at the AOE gameplay now.

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> Now don't get me wrong, mirage is strong. But I will never forget the blalantly brainless people and gold tier folks that made it to plat solely playing scourge and then when I dueled them they got completely dumpstered with the nerfs.

Oh yeah, sorry. Mesmers* not just mirage

But yeah I get your point. Still it was so much easier to wipe solo scourge out of your home point than say druid or chronomancer/mirage. Scourge's synergy with firebrand was borderline retarded but at leastit was synergy of two players working together than synergy of a player playing together with Nan Nan numbers of his own clones.

You can sort of make a build countering condi mirage in spvp. The problem is they are not the only enemies you are fighting.

Glad all i do now is wvw roaming where they are less problematic and just run away from me most of the time.

Cyber bullied class.............WAT

I don't have words to describe this lvl of outrage lmao "Cyber bullied class" The only who are getting bullied here are people of the other classes that never chose to cater towards this class overpowered state because this fucking mirage mesmer spec is a meme. If there is some shit going on you can't easily deal on your main class - hop on mirage. If you suck at GW2 pvp in general - roll a mirage.

Stop acting like you are a victim, your class DESTROYED this game's pvp. It's time you get properly nerfed until you are completely irrelevant so people stop creating mesmers to cheese in competitive modes.

And for "useful argumentation"- your class can evade (kek and also stunbreak) while casting abilities to counter whatever your enemy is up to. That's probably the most overpowered crap Mirage ever offer.

Sword 4 is fun but I never played revenant for it in the first place. Besides it still wrecks people with quickness applied.It's sad to see that some people only see this class as viable because of S4 which is partially true.

As for your mesmer rant, guy - everyone is slowly getting tired of that class shadowing over other in terms of strength and at least Mirage is slowly getting tweaked (not sure if in right direction yet). Perhaps in next addon mesmers will get that sort of shitty treatment they deserver by getting a spec similar to trash renegade.

Sword 4 is fun but I never played revenant for it in the first place. Besides it still wrecks people with quickness applied.It's sad to see that some people only see this class as viable because of S4 which is partially true.

As for your mesmer rant, guy - everyone is slowly getting tired of that class shadowing over other in terms of strength and at least Mirage is slowly getting tweaked (not sure if in right direction yet). Perhaps in next addon mesmers will get that sort of shitty treatment they deserver by getting a spec similar to trash renegade.

> @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

> First of all, you spoiled brats. Try playing hammer Guardian without on-demand quickness, if I can hit my spells.. So can you.

> Stop.

Yo, permacc overloaded bursty damage aegis blinding spoiled onetrick pony cuntardian prick - there are other viable builds for guardian out there, not just one.

Get lost.

Remove stealth and they will just overstack gapclosers. E.G - S/D thieves. So I guess OOC distance should be at least twice as long too

God, bet my hair will turn grey by the time they finally nerf the shit out of this class properly

Suddenly, revenant gets a warhorn in next expansion....

Just kiddibng but I'd like to observe everyone losing their crap over it :D

Unless it's dueling spot or a very good friend from another server (and I have none) I will not let any bastard pass by me. Doesn't matter bunker or not, I'll chase them across the map if I have to. Especially if they are mirages or Shortbow 5 heroes because fuck your OCC cheese that's why.

> @"EremiteAngel.9765" said:

> Actually now that I think about it, it reminds me of the same pattern for skilled guilds.

> They bandwagon and crush pug zergs.

> Like...what is so fun about steamrolling others?

> Guilds should also really stop bandwagoning and instead spread out and challenge each other instead.

Sounds good, DOES NOT WORK. The only roaming guild I had started picking up fights with "skilled" guys, got ultimately demoralized when they encountered some strong bunch and disbanded to merge with some GvG guild. So yeah, ultimately some roaming guilds are about easy fights. Whether it's stomping some other roamers in 7vs2 or farming 11111 bots in 7vs15. Either way it's deluding yet easy and satisfying

Nope, I hear them all the time on WvW (implying I have standard models for that game mode. Mostly because of this exact race).

No it does not, that's why Precision Strike can work for some hybrid builds sometimes

Great, invocation was great but having another alternative is a way to go. WIsh they'd just give us axe main hand instead of these petty trait reworks though

Yeah, those deadeyes are truly outrageously weak.

> @"Ario.8964" said:

> > @"ventusthunder.5067" said:

> > > @"Ario.8964" said:

> > > > @"Kain Francois.4328" said:

> > > > With the exception of Sword #1, Hammer #2 and Staff #5, everything else on Rev has only gotten buffs since release.

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> > > > Revenant has absolutely become a stronger class.

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> > > > 1. (Raids) Both Power and Condi Rev builds are now raid viable.

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> > > > 2. (Raids) Renegade is ridiculously OP, able to provide huge heals to the team through Soulcleave Summit while dealing some of the highest condi dps in the game on large hitboxes.

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> > > > 3. (Raids) Shortbow went from kitten in PvE to a meta-weapon used in raid DPS rotations.

> > > >

> > > > 4. (WvW) Herald rework shot the damage multipliers on Revenant through the roof, essentially bringing back the pirate ship rev into WvW.

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> > > > 5. (PvP) Sword #4 and #5 hit like a truck, while applying powerful conditions. Revenant is now quite good in PvP in the hands of someone who knows how to play one.

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> > > >

> > > > Granted, while this is mainly a PvE perspective, I do feel Revenant is also faring a lot better in other game modes as well. Saying things like "Oh, Revenant is only good because of OH sword" is a pretty shallow thing to say. Literally the only other offhand choices are Axe an Shield. It's not that sword is OP, but rather that Axe is outdated and in desperate need of a buff, while Shield always sucked. Saying things like "Oh it's just because Revenant can blink through hill, lol" kinda misses the point, since Revenant was *always* intended to do that kind of thing. Literally Sword #3 glues you to your target. Back during HoT interviews they stated it was supposed to be a class with high in-combat mobility while having poor disengages, and that's exactly what we got.

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> > > In pve world damage is decent. However, you take anything but OH sword into pvp and you won't kill anything because everyone else has so much sustain and damage mitigation on top of ridiculous amounts of cc and many have significantly better mobility both in combat and outside of combat. Rev is carried in pvp by OH sword because when it was reworked they basically just made it a better axe and gave it stupidly high damage allowing it to one shot stuff.

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> > > And as far as having been buffed/nerfed: the entirety of MH sword was nerfed multiple times since HoT was released, staff had damage reductions, and they still haven't removed the root on shield 5 (garbage design to begin with) Shiro got nerfed by the removal of quickness on impossible odds for pvp (in pve it was a buff). Energy costs have been increased on things like shiro roll while also nerfing the endurance gain (was probably a good change overall, but it still counts as a nerf). Also meta wise, rev is weaker now than at HoT release due to the existence of condi mirage and scourge. That's my view of it at least.

> >

> > Thank you. Couldn't say it better myself. The entire class has gotten mostly nerfs and the damage is propped up so ridiculously by a broken OH sword that people are actually arguing rev is OP now.

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> Worst thing about it is most revs out there dislike OH sword for being as strong as it is. We want to fix the problem but now everyone else just wants to nerf rev sustain and defense more further forcing it into a 1 shot role.

Personally, I dislike Sword OH for being the best option for power build (and it is not like we have many options for mainhand). Somebody said it countless times before - sword offhand is overtuned to make up for everything this class is lacking. And with each pseudobuffs we get even less options for basically EVERYTHING while the other classes get more ridiculous with their pseudonerfs omegalul

Anyway, with each time I feel less inclined to read or provide feedback on these boards, implying devs will never bother to fix revenant because complete overhaul (not bunch of overtuned numbers) wouldn't be cost effective. And when they actually try to take on this problem and follow community suggestions they'd turn it inside out like with Song of the Mists which was supposed to fill Equilibrium's niche.

> @"Edge.8724" said:

> Aaah. Mesmer... The little favorite child of ArenaNet.

Still waiting on somebody to quote PoF presentation video where they said they all are gonna play mesmer.

There is just too much stealth abuse going on, deadeye is one of the best example of it. Being stealthy most of the time and repeating their attempts to oneshot you till you finally run of dodges or reflecting mechanics (if you have any) is borderline annoying.

> @"narcx.3570" said:

> > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > Besides we'd need stealth mechanics to make it actually work properly, making revenant look like some cheap copy of mesmer/thief.

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> If they were going to give Revenants stealth access, it definitely would have been along side Renegade... Not only does it fit thematically, but the ENTIRE spec plays like it's supposed to have stealth, but then the dev's took it away at the last second when they realized that adding yet ANOTHER stealth-cheese class to the game would have been a terrible idea.

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> But like, everything about Renegade and Shortbow in PvP/WvW would just make so much more sense if there was a f-key stealth ability or a trait that caused stealth on Warband summons or whatever.

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On dodge perhaps? Oddly, I feel like giving renegade it's own unique dodge with stealth or shadow step would make it much more viable

Still I'd rather have excessive reveal mechanics on revenant rather than stealth in any form. Something to counter all the stealth cheese going around

> @"Knighthonor.4061" said:

> > @"Dace.8173" said:

> > > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > > I hate twilight or dawn, I want another viable melee weapon and greatsword fits that role.

> >

> Also funny thing is originally we had a Off hand Dagger weapon that was Condition focused. Not sure why that was scrapped.

> http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

Really?? nuuuuuuuuuu

Why did so many alpha/beta thing about revenant get scrapped.

> @"Knighthonor.4061" said:

> > @"phokus.8934" said:

> > I like the other scenario where the elite and weapon are good and viable in more than one mode.

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> This Revenant forum not Mesmer.

Besides we'd need stealth mechanics to make it actually work properly, making revenant look like some cheap copy of mesmer/thief.

I'd rather have some melee weapon with CC, legend (or ermarhgerd - an actually useful F1 that does it) that grants some stability without sacrificing either devastation or invocation for that and some actual damage on that weapon.

I hate twilight or dawn, I want another viable melee weapon and greatsword fits that role.

> @"Dace.8173" said:

> > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > > @"Dace.8173" said:

> > > > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > > > > @"Noha.3749" said:

> > > > > Revenant meta pvp/roamingbuilds are still kinda the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Damage (i.e. burst) is great, but the sustain is relatively easy for a decent enemy to counter. I mean glints heal is situationally amazing but kinda lackluster in duels, shiroheal is situationally terrible since it forces you to pressure when its sometimes the last thing you should do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Still got Good (not great) mobility with permaswiftness, 2 "blink", allthough the "blinks" costs quite a bit. Id say the mobility is somewhat comparable to a warrior, except it requires a target to blink.

> > > > >

> > > > > Great engage, decent disengage, great burst, very situational healing.

> > > > > Struggles quite a bit if the enemy can keep their distance OR stick too close to you. Kind of hard to fight in that perfect "midrange".

> > > > Permaswiftness? Can't see that in any combat lasting more than 15 seconds tbh with all those "buffs" to herald trait line. Unless somebody chose Rapid Flow over something else

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> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your votes, guess I'll stay away from this trash for now. Can't stomach rolling a mesmer just so I can solo roam on WvW

> > >

> > > Trash? I would have to say that Revenant is far from trash.

> > Sorry for offensive wrong wording. What I wanted to say is that there are some things I want to do but will never be able to do on revenant. For example 1vs3 CC heavy comps (like mesmers lmao)

> >

> > > @"Noha.3749" said:

> > > well excuse me for not specifying that herald got perma swiftness **OOC** . >_>

> > Yeah, because otherwise rev's got neverending OOC gapclosers without any energy consumption (phase traversal and unyielding anguish).

> > You start to notice dire need of extra movement speed when every single roamers just runs out to reset a fight.

>

> They aren't going to give Revenant the ability to play like Mesmer. So if you want to do the things Mesmer does then you just need to play Mesmer as opposed to hoping that they change Revenant to play like Mesmer. Revenant, taken on its own and not being expected to perform like another profession, is actually good. It's not the best it could be but it isn't the worst either.

It's funny but yesterday I've tried that traiblazer (and celestial too) + runes of tormenting build on Wv Wand I actually managed to farm some of those condi mirages thanks to stupid high heals from torment. Doubt it will last however

> @"Dace.8173" said:

> > @"Vasdamas Anklast.1607" said:

> > > @"Noha.3749" said:

> > > Revenant meta pvp/roamingbuilds are still kinda the same.

> > >

> > > Damage (i.e. burst) is great, but the sustain is relatively easy for a decent enemy to counter. I mean glints heal is situationally amazing but kinda lackluster in duels, shiroheal is situationally terrible since it forces you to pressure when its sometimes the last thing you should do.

> > >

> > > Still got Good (not great) mobility with permaswiftness, 2 "blink", allthough the "blinks" costs quite a bit. Id say the mobility is somewhat comparable to a warrior, except it requires a target to blink.

> > >

> > > Great engage, decent disengage, great burst, very situational healing.

> > > Struggles quite a bit if the enemy can keep their distance OR stick too close to you. Kind of hard to fight in that perfect "midrange".

> > Permaswiftness? Can't see that in any combat lasting more than 15 seconds tbh with all those "buffs" to herald trait line. Unless somebody chose Rapid Flow over something else

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your votes, guess I'll stay away from this trash for now. Can't stomach rolling a mesmer just so I can solo roam on WvW

>

> Trash? I would have to say that Revenant is far from trash.

Sorry for offensive wrong wording. What I wanted to say is that there are some things I want to do but will never be able to do on revenant. For example 1vs3 CC heavy comps (like mesmers lmao)

> @"Noha.3749" said:

> well excuse me for not specifying that herald got perma swiftness **OOC** . >_>

Yeah, because otherwise rev's got neverending OOC gapclosers without any energy consumption (phase traversal and unyielding anguish).

You start to notice dire need of extra movement speed when every single roamers just runs out to reset a fight.

Less cheese for cheese classes, that's good.

I hate that the game is unfair to the core.

> @"Noha.3749" said:

> Revenant meta pvp/roamingbuilds are still kinda the same.

>

> Damage (i.e. burst) is great, but the sustain is relatively easy for a decent enemy to counter. I mean glints heal is situationally amazing but kinda lackluster in duels, shiroheal is situationally terrible since it forces you to pressure when its sometimes the last thing you should do.

>

> Still got Good (not great) mobility with permaswiftness, 2 "blink", allthough the "blinks" costs quite a bit. Id say the mobility is somewhat comparable to a warrior, except it requires a target to blink.

>

> Great engage, decent disengage, great burst, very situational healing.

> Struggles quite a bit if the enemy can keep their distance OR stick too close to you. Kind of hard to fight in that perfect "midrange".

Permaswiftness? Can't see that in any combat lasting more than 15 seconds tbh with all those "buffs" to herald trait line. Unless somebody chose Rapid Flow over something else

Thank you for your votes, guess I'll stay away from this trash for now. Can't stomach rolling a mesmer just so I can solo roam on WvW