Belorn.2659

> @"Cyninja.2954" said:

> > @"nsleep.7839" said:

> > Can't wait until they fix Meteor Shower and Elementalist is absolute garbage.

> >

> > Also, Cyninja, Matthias isn't a "condi favored" boss, it favors classes that can do their full rotation while moving and/or will lose minimal uptime because of mobility when doing mechanics, which D/D Deadeye happens to be.

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> I didn't feel to elaborate as to why Matthias favors condi builds, that is obvious to most experienced raiders. Now take a look at which classes make up the top 10 rank wise on that boss. It's:

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> - Soulbeast (condi)

> - **Deadeye (power)**

> - Renegade (condi)

> - Mirage (condi)

> - Firebrand (condi)

> - Daredevil (condi)

> - **Soulbeast (power)**

> - Engineer (condi)

> - Scourge (condi)

> - **Holosmith (power)**

>

> I'm not even going to bother putting up the may 8th ranking since those favor condi builds even heavier. So yes, condi classes seem to be less movement affected (since the boss will walk out of aoes etc.). Sure it does matter which mechanic and why a boss favors condi versus power. Doesn't change the fact that thief is way way way out there.

Because of the two DPS bugs in regard to SB and DE, I strongly recommend to hover over the class to see how many data points raidar has and also look at the leaderboard for examples of the fastest runs. There is several hints that the SB data for the 99th percentile is bug related, one being that none of the leaderboard runs show any such dps from SB, and the second is that the difference between 99th percentile and 50th is massive with almost 200% difference.

I wish raidar would do resets once bugs like this is patched but sometimes they don't. Thankfully the leaderboard data has a timestamp.

I honestly don't care if DE is overpowered and should be nerfed. It is part of raiding to adapt when the meta change and it seems clear that the meta _has_ changed. Call it a bug, a feature, or a break from doing weaver, but as long we don't see the old meta return then this is the new one.

Preferable I would like to see the meta we had after PoF when "top" dps was spread out on multiple classes and all wing full clears groups had to balance swapping classes with the increased run time for loading. Those days optimal composition might had saved 30s on a boss but if people take 2m to change characters than it was a net loss when going from one boss to an other. Good times.

Anyway, seems the d/d DE version with Basilisk is the default DPS choice for any boss with CC aspects, and Thieves Guild when going pure dps. A full clear all wing run could look like: start out with DE with vg, gor, sab, sloth, trio -> swap to mirage for mat -> swap to weaver for kc -> swap to DE for xera -> swap to mirage for cairn -> swap to DE for mo, sam, deimos, sh, statues, dhuum. Could rearrange the wings to eliminate one swap.

As for cleave, D/D has a cleave of 2 targets for auto attack chain. If cleave is a problem on gor, sab, sloth, xera then what you have is a mesmer problem that is not using their focus.

It has been a few days since patch and its time to take a look at what the preliminary data say about the meta. Did the nerf have an impact and if so, which class is the dps king for each of the raid bosses and what is the new meta team composition. Using gw2raidar global stats and leaderboardswith some consideration for the two bugs involving DE and SB, it is clear that weaver is only really still favorable for KC, Sam, and Xera (for mechanics and cleave). For most bosses Weaver is now around bottom half of the DPS class hierarchy, commonly below HS, and even without the two bugs for DE and SB it is clear that for most cases the better performing DPS is going to be something other than weaver.

The next few resets will show how stable this new meta will be and if any new builds pop up to take the crown.

I keep reading here on the forum about how much non-raiders want to experience the story that exist in raids. Sad to say, but there is a _Huge_ misunderstanding about that. The story in raiding are very short, bare-bone and primarily told through very short dialogue and cutscenes. I expect there is more spoken dialogue in a single living story compared to all raid wings combined. It is my guess on why anet won't make a "story" version of raiding, since it would not be very interesting for anyone.

If you want to experience 95% of the story aspect of raids, ask someone who has cleared a wing and go in and talk to the 1! npc in each wing and the handful of dialogue options. That is basically it. A few fights has mechanics with story elements in it (Xera that has a couple of lines about a rebellion) but that is about it. Dhuum has a single annoying line: *"Mortals. You believe yourselves saviors, naturally. You seek to write the conclusion of your legend. There is no conclusion more natural than death. "* That is all the story you get from him, and trust me that it gets very boring the 300th time you hear it! If they make a wizards tower as a raid wing then expect at most a couple of lines of story during the fights and 4-5 dialogue options from the one wing npc.

Raid story is more told through the scenery, which a non-raider can still access. Go to the raid lobby and ask for someone to open a cleared instance and I doubt it would take more than a few seconds before someone would step in and help. Even better, watch a YT video.

> @"Grimjack.8130" said:

> I'm still puzzled at the fact that Scourge is an issue but Weaver isn't. I feel like I just need to list the where every class is meta at this point, because no one seems to know.

> One person said Scourge is meta at Gorseval, complaining about a false reality won't help your cause.

>

The thing to remember when doing such list is that there are two relevant stats. Top dps that represent speed runs and top average dps that represent the average run. Depending on which one you pick you get weaver occasionally on second place rather than first.

Otherwise a relative good summery of the top dps class for each raid boss.

Here is some low-bar masteries that I think would be nice bonus while not being a game changer:

* Siege aim mastery - speeds up siege aiming (left-right) for cats, trebs and mortar. Additional idea could provide some form of target indicator to help visualize how long you need to hold down fire. Theme would be to make it easier to operate siege without increasing their damage.

* Commander mastery - reduce supply cost of supply prints by a tiny amount. Additional idea could be a rare random chance for tactic drop or account bound siege prints from kills when commanding with +5 people. Theme would be to encourage commanding in similar away that commander bonus pip but without impacting the economy.

> @"Zushada.6108" said:

> Yes, there has to be balance and their can't be illegal or hate related messaging (all that which falls under law).

Remember that this mean that the person can be anywhere on the political spectrum, including the furthest of the extremes. There are those people who deny that certain aspect of the last world war happened which is not illegal. A person can even believe in race superiority and that would not be illegal so long the message does not imply violence, as that is when the law steps in. In your view then Anet would have to allow such person staying a public person for their game as long those view are only made very public during off-hours.

You can be sure that customers and media would definitively associate such views with the company if a developer had such views. In this days of extreme polarization you can be sure it would effect profit and the potential to hire new developers.

> _Ask yourself:_

> When is the corporation ever found guilty for the beliefs and actions of a staff member who is off duty?

Most recently, a a lot of people found google guilty for having an employee with very specific views about gender equality. Of course no court where involved but employees threaten to quit and the company made a decision.

> This was, essentially the modern day version of a public lynching. I am sorry if people find this expression disrespectful but the community made this a nightmare for any corporation to deal with. The community played detective and dug up old tweets and vilified JP. Anet then decided that the feedback from third party social media, incl those outside the gaming community, and was more concerned about the corporate image than they were about the livelihoods and privacy rights of two of their staff. The result was a terribly misguided knee jerk reaction that landed JP and PF out the door. In my opinion, the reaction of the community and corporate response was more damaging to their corporate image than anything said on twitter.

When a developer celebrate the death of a cancer victim then she forced that image onto the corporate image of anet. Did anet want to be the company which celebrate the death of cancer victims, alienating and offending anyone who gone through with a young loved one who died to cancer? Or did they want to distance themselves just like bioware did? Now we have two companies has chosen to distance themselves from this kind of behaviour.

Did JP consider the impact of her statement or were she more concerned to make a knee jerk political point?

> At worst, JP should have been called into discuss what happened and why she was so deeply frustrated. Perhaps counselling needed to be offered and a direct apology to the person involved -- but she does not owe the community an apology for being herself in her off hours.

Apologizing to people you have hurt is usually a good first step. Showing the ability to empathize with people, like say people who has cancer is a rather low bar.

> _Let me be clear in my thoughts here:_

> The community made this happen.

No, the community did not make anything happen. Just as bioware game director had to distance the company with someone who celebrated a victim to cancer, so was this the only realistic result when JP public statements was discovered.

> So the next time someone wants to post a hate thread about an Anet employee consider the following:

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> * Consider that there is a human at the other side of the computer and the impact of your reactions is real and will be felt for years.

> * Consider that privacy should be respected and a lot of issues and arguments would be mitigated if someone simply asked "are you just sharing your own thoughts or are you looking for feedback/discussion.

The next time a person consider posting a hate post about a young cancer victim that has died, consider the following:

* Consider that there was a living breathing human, with families and friends. Put your self in their shoes and imagine the pain and suffering they are going through.

* Cancer is terrible. Consider living with constant pain where pain medicine don't work and every day, hour, minute and second is filled with ever present pain. They may get a good day but it usually follows with several bad ones until one day they don't leave the hospital bed.

* Consider the harm such hate post has in comparison to what ever political point could be gained. How can that ever be worth it?

> @"Harper.4173" said:

> > @"Linnea.5146" said:

> > ArenaNet, Mr. O'Brien

> >

> > Firing her was excessive and has only fed the toxicity that is part of the gaming community. You have now signalled that if an employee voices an unpopular opinion on social media they will be fired if the trolls cry loudly enough. 12 years of work at your company should not be outweighed by a single tweet. What she wrote was not nice, but also not unforgivable. A public apology would have been enough.

> >

> > Congratulations on giving the trolls the ultimate treat.

>

> You know how they say? Play stupid games - win stupid prizes? (this is not an insult - but illustrates the idea I'm about to express quite well)

> There was a time when developers weren't even known let alone interacting with their communities. As company models have shifted so devs are more outspoken and placed in the public eye in order to gather support/hype/interest for the game so too have the risks of doing this increased. If one of the devs angers the community the risks that poses for your publicity and overall image isn't worth keeping them on board I guess.

> For everything you gain you lose something. More exposure - means more vulnerability to public outcry. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Two general advice that any artist can use to avoid this problem:

1) Do not celebrate when a person die to cancer. Not only will that be extremely offensive to anyone living through a family member who dies in that way, but I would say anyone who has sat next to a hospital bed while a person is under constant and never ending pain only to die later. To list a few types of victims you should avoid saying "I am glad they died": Cancer victims, terrorist victims, victims of murder, victims of murder from domestic abuse, and so on.

2) Remember that anyone looking at your artistic work has their own interpretation on what it says and means. Two people can read the same book and have complete opposite ideas about what the book is about, including when one of those are the author and the other is a fan. Its okey. Writing excuses (audio podcast) has a good episode on this and I strongly recommend listening on it (produced by professional writers!). Keypoint is to not get upset as art is produced by the personal experience of the author and read by the personal experience of the reader. What the author and the reader want out of art is also going to reflect those different views.

There we go, the risk eliminated.

> @"inubasiri.8745" said:

> Congratulations, some of you have just had 2 actual people fired. I hope it was worth being offended on the internet. Sick age we're living in.

Imagine a store clerk in a time before internet where they yell to a customer: "I am happy your son died from cancer".

What would happen? Would the manager go and say "I respect your view. One of that boys friend said mean things, and her son did not do enough to control his friends", or would the manager let the clerk go for being offensive.

Has a lot of experience in all wings and all roles except for healer, tank and hk. Looking for a static group that focus on smooth full clear under a single day (~3hrs), and possible a second day for training multi-class/achievement progression if someone else needs it.

> @"melodyca.8921" said:

> > @"Itzena.8452" said:

> > I feel that effectively handing over the control of GW2 to a bunch of brigading Gamergaters is not the smartest move ever, but hey - it's going to be pretty funny to watch. From a distance.

>

> I don't think people realize how this is a dangerous precedent and how its going to embolden a certain segment of gamers to openly harass and threaten people.

People might even be embolden to stand up and say that celebrating that someone dies to cancer is not civil behavior and do not belong in this community. All those who do celebrate the death of young people who dies to cancer might then feel less welcome. That is exactly what I hope!

> @"Asudementio.8526" said:

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> > @"Menoitios.8375" said:

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> > Right, I am not disagreeing, it was in extremely bad taste to revel in anyone's death regardless of the cause of death. Also, for all we know that may have also played a part in this, who knows? Only the people at Arenanet (and likely only the higher ups) truly know and all we can do is speculate.

>

> Is her Twitter post what you would call reveling? I didn't realize people were so sensitive today. Good on you to backtrack saying that TB was able to be criticized, because his death is used as a bludgeon against anyone who dares to point out how toxic and irresponsible he was throughout large swathes of his career.

I sincerely hope you never have to experience someone you know die slowly in a hospital bed, watching as they sit in eternal agony and pain that no medicine can reduce. Watch as they slowly deteriorate and sometime not even recognize you. Their face stuck in constant pain with open mouth that is silently screaming. Days, hours, minutes and seconds...

Being happy that someone died from cancer is a sign of pure lack of empathy. Trying to spin that as criticisms is nothing else than harmful to anyone who has experience a similar loss.

> @"Menoitios.8375" said:

> > @"Belorn.2659" said:

> > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > @"Menoitios.8375" said:

> > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said:

> > > > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > > > > @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > > > > > oh yeah, and males dominate the work environment so they don't get told how to do their jobs better all the time, they are on top of the chain

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is hilarious, you are saying that every male is equal on the top of chain? You are saying that in a workplace that has only male developers, nobody tells anyone else how to do their job "better"? You will be surprised but the reality is, not everyone can fit at the top of the chain. Males get told how to do their jobs "better" all the time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and why would a workplace have only male developers? how is this work environment not dominated by males? i'm referring to this as a problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in reality males are on top of the chain, and they are fine with criticizing each other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personal choice. And "male dominated" isn't a bad thing since that is a result of more men being interested in a field? Where are the female sewage workers?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your assumption that this is entirely based on prejudice is poor judgment.

> > > > >

> > > > > it's never personal, it's a structured problem.

> > > > > it's not only a result of men being more interested in a field (which is due gender discrimination to begin with), but also that females are bullied away like in this story.

> > > > >

> > > > > @ the rest who think that the top of the chain, the bosses, the shareholders, the money are not dominated by males and is totally equal (even that there should be such power structure); i will not even reply to this anymore

> > > >

> > > > She isn't being bullied away, she is being held accountable for her actions. Had she handled the situation drastically different I am sure the outcome would have been quite different as well. She could have easily ignored the comment, walked away and cooled off, or even could have said why that wasn't possible (which the latter case is likely even true due to economic and time constraints). Any of those would have been infinitely better than how she chose to react.

> > >

> > > bullied away is the same as being held accountable in this context, as the managing team (which is all male by the way) decided what is acceptable or not. of course there is guidelines and a contract she signed, but again here is she had no choice but to obey.

> > > but like i've asked before: why did she have to accept her inferior position and just shut up? (like usual)

> >

> > Would a different management team with women in it find that celebrating the death of cancer victims to be acceptable, or what is the argument here? I would imagine that it is rather universal that celebrating the death of cancer victims is uncivil and unacceptable behavior in society.

>

> I don't think that was the main issue at hand, even though that was in extremely bad taste. Not saying she doesn't have the right to say what she wants or to be critical of TB; however, to revel in his death is something completely different.

While most focus has been on her reaction to criticism, it should be remembered that when the former bioware developer said similar things after John Bain died, the general manager for bioware had to step in and declare that the view of that person did represent that of the company.

If it wasn't the reason she got fired then it should have been. I can't imagine its something that anet want the company to be associated with.

> @"Koen.1327" said:

> > @"Menoitios.8375" said:

> > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > @"Blocki.4931" said:

> > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > > @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > > > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > > > oh yeah, and males dominate the work environment so they don't get told how to do their jobs better all the time, they are on top of the chain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is hilarious, you are saying that every male is equal on the top of chain? You are saying that in a workplace that has only male developers, nobody tells anyone else how to do their job "better"? You will be surprised but the reality is, not everyone can fit at the top of the chain. Males get told how to do their jobs "better" all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > and why would a workplace have only male developers? how is this work environment not dominated by males? i'm referring to this as a problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > in reality males are on top of the chain, and they are fine with criticizing each other.

> > > >

> > > > Personal choice. And "male dominated" isn't a bad thing since that is a result of more men being interested in a field? Where are the female sewage workers?

> > > >

> > > > Your assumption that this is entirely based on prejudice is poor judgment.

> > >

> > > it's never personal, it's a structured problem.

> > > it's not only a result of men being more interested in a field (which is due gender discrimination to begin with), but also that females are bullied away like in this story.

> > >

> > > @ the rest who think that the top of the chain, the bosses, the shareholders, the money are not dominated by males and is totally equal (even that there should be such power structure); i will not even reply to this anymore

> >

> > She isn't being bullied away, she is being held accountable for her actions. Had she handled the situation drastically different I am sure the outcome would have been quite different as well. She could have easily ignored the comment, walked away and cooled off, or even could have said why that wasn't possible (which the latter case is likely even true due to economic and time constraints). Any of those would have been infinitely better than how she chose to react.

>

> bullied away is the same as being held accountable in this context, as the managing team (which is all male by the way) decided what is acceptable or not. of course there is guidelines and a contract she signed, but again here is she had no choice but to obey.

> but like i've asked before: why did she have to accept her inferior position and just shut up? (like usual)

Would a different management team with women in it find that celebrating the death of cancer victims to be acceptable, or what is the argument here? I would imagine that it is rather universal that celebrating the death of cancer victims is uncivil and unacceptable behavior in society.

> @"Koen.1327" said:

> > @"Blocki.4931" said:

> > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > @"maddoctor.2738" said:

> > > > > @"Koen.1327" said:

> > > > > oh yeah, and males dominate the work environment so they don't get told how to do their jobs better all the time, they are on top of the chain

> > > >

> > > > This is hilarious, you are saying that every male is equal on the top of chain? You are saying that in a workplace that has only male developers, nobody tells anyone else how to do their job "better"? You will be surprised but the reality is, not everyone can fit at the top of the chain. Males get told how to do their jobs "better" all the time.

> > >

> > > and why would a workplace have only male developers? how is this work environment not dominated by males? i'm referring to this as a problem.

> > >

> > > in reality males are on top of the chain, and they are fine with criticizing each other.

> >

> > Personal choice. And "male dominated" isn't a bad thing since that is a result of more men being interested in a field? Where are the female sewage workers?

> >

> > Your assumption that this is entirely based on prejudice is poor judgment.

>

> it's never personal, it's a structured problem.

> it's not only a result of men being more interested in a field (which is due gender discrimination to begin with), but also that females are bullied away like in this story.

>

> @ the rest who think that the top of the chain, the bosses, the shareholders, the money are not dominated by males and is totally equal (even that there should be such power structure); i will not even reply to this anymore

She was celebrating the death of a cancer victim. How can you define that as her being "bullied away"?

Does the gender of a person who celebrate the death of cancer victims matter? Does their politics matter? Does their race matter? What could possible justify that a person is celebrating the death of a cancer victim?

What has been the most surprising in the last few days is the number of people who find celebrate a cancer victims death acceptable, and I can't imagine what kind of thinking could ever justify it. Maybe some people have been lucky enough to be spared seeing a loved one slowly die in a hospital bed through even so the lack of empathy required to celebrate a death is beyond me.

Death is not peaceful. Seeing someone go from alive and healthy to suddenly be in constant pain and unable to walk is painful, and from here it only get worse. Pain medicine only do so much and after a point the pain is just constant every hour, every minute, every second. On a good day they may be awake a few hours and talk almost like it was a normal day, and then following that you have days where they don't even recognize you and are frozen in a face of agony. Open mouth but with a silent scream and a horrible slow breathing. You stay in the hospital for hours or days and doctors can't do anything while you watch the person hopelessly as they fade away in constant pain.

Celebrating that a 32 year old human person has to go through that is not just harsh, its uncivil. Arguing that they have the opposing political view or did not control their follows does not even get close to justify celebrating the death of a cancer victim. If you hear or see someone defending this behavior please, make them stop. That is no way to behave online or offline for that matter. There is limits to what political polarization may result in and this is one of those.

What has been the most surprising in the last few days is the number of people who find this behavior acceptable, and I can't imagine what kind of thinking could ever justify it. Maybe some people have been lucky enough to be spared seeing a loved one slowly die in a hospital bed through even so the lack of empathy required to celebrate a death is beyond me.

Death is not peaceful. Seeing someone go from alive and healthy to suddenly be in constant pain and unable to walk is painful, and from here it only get worse. Pain medicine only do so much and after a point the pain is just constant every hour, every minute, every second. On a good day they may be awake a few hours and talk almost like it was a normal day, and then following that you have days where they don't even recognize you and are frozen in a face of agony. Open mouth but with a silent scream and a horrible slow breathing. You stay in the hospital for hours or days and doctors can't do anything while you watch the person hopelessly as they fade away in constant pain.

Celebrating that a 32 year old human person has to go through that is not just harsh, its uncivil. Arguing that they have the opposing political view or did not control their follows does not even get close to justify celebrating the death of a cancer victim. If you hear or see someone defending this behavior please, make them stop. That is no way to behave online or offline for that matter. There is limits to what political polarization may result in and this is one of those.

> @"morrolan.9608" said:

> > @"DaShi.1368" said:

> > > @"Victus.9301" said:

> > > ArenaNet you are freaking cowards, at best this is a kitten "talk with HR" situation, but no gotta appease the mob calling for blood. Glad to see we haven't progressed at all from 2014.

> >

> > I"m surprised they aren't calling her a witch.

>

> Its interesting, this controversy was cross posted to the kotaku in action sub reddit, which is the sub reddit where kitten types frequent. With the result being at least some of the controversy has been inflamed by them and now they are sticking around. So congrats MOB you've made GW2 the mmo for gamergaters, not sure you really want that.

Alternative they could have made GW2 the mmo who celebrate when cancer victims dies. With that kind of friends you don't need enemies.

I do not celebrate that someone has lost their job. This is not a good day, but given the statement that one of them celebrated when a 32 old John Bain died to cancer I can only hope that she take a hard look at herself and try to imagine the harm and pain she caused.

I can't imagine what she could possible have told herself to justify such behaviour but that is a line you can't cross. You don't celebrate the death of someone and especially when they are that young. It doesn't matter what sin you think they have committed or what political side you think they are on. Crossing that line and celebrating someone who died to something as horrible as cancer means disconnecting yourself from a large portion of the world population and there is not much else from that point on.

This is a sad day, but Anet action today at least mean I can continue playing the games that I enjoy and have spent a large portion for the last 10 years with. Thank you.

> @"melodyca.8921" said:

> > @"Belorn.2659" said:

> > > @"saerni.2584" said:

> > > On that note: I’m dropping out of the thread before it gets locked.

> > >

> > > I expect some @"Gaile Gray.6029" post shortly thereafter addressing the need for respectful discourse and the like. I hope Anet treats her fairly and respects the portion of the community that is not happy with the calls for her to be fired.

> > >

> > > It is probably too much to hope for given the massive campaign to get JP fired for her liberal views and particular brand of feminist thought. I for one want to express my hope that Anet doesn’t bow to the pressure.

> >

> > Totalbiscuit made a single video where during the first 10 he said why he thought both side of the controversy was just political fighting and he disagree with both side, and then for the remaining 30m he took the time to actually rant about his own view about game review ethics. For this JP decided it was worth celebrating when at the age of 32 John Bain died to fast growing cancer.

> >

> > That is not about liberal views. That is not about feminism. She could have been an extreme right person or extreme left person and I would still not wish cancer on anyone and never celebrate their death in such cruel way. Be she feminist or anti-abortion, celebrating a cancer death belong to people with no empathy. Is that really the kind of person we want in GW2 community, and in a central position at that?

>

> I agree that was definitely wrong. But I suggest you do some research, she was not the only one who and there were male developers as well. And yes it was wrong but developers are fighting back because of the abuse they have received from the fans.

Think about a friend you know around the age of 30. Male or Female, it doesn't matter. Imagine under a couple of years they go from healthy with a bright future to slowly get sicker and sicker until every hour, every day is filled with pain. Massive constant pain. So much pain that pain medicine won't work and it just keep going. Then they die, leaving behind family and friends.

Oh, and they had people who followed them on social media and as a loosely connected to this friend of yours, your friend is guilty of not controlling followers actions enough online so people celebrate that your friend died. Does this sound like "do more research" problem?

Its not just wrong, it is a complete lack of empathy. Just thinking about it is making me feel ill. From now on that is the association I have with gw2, and it feels like she stolen something from me. I really enjoy this game but hearing about such behaviour is beyond abhorrent to me.

> @"saerni.2584" said:

> On that note: I’m dropping out of the thread before it gets locked.

>

> I expect some @"Gaile Gray.6029" post shortly thereafter addressing the need for respectful discourse and the like. I hope Anet treats her fairly and respects the portion of the community that is not happy with the calls for her to be fired.

>

> It is probably too much to hope for given the massive campaign to get JP fired for her liberal views and particular brand of feminist thought. I for one want to express my hope that Anet doesn’t bow to the pressure.

Totalbiscuit made a single video where during the first 10 he said why he thought both side of the controversy was just political fighting and he disagree with both side, and then for the remaining 30m he took the time to actually rant about his own view about game review ethics. For this JP decided it was worth celebrating when at the age of 32 John Bain died to fast growing cancer.

That is not about liberal views. That is not about feminism. She could have been an extreme right person or extreme left person and I would still not wish cancer on anyone and never celebrate their death in such cruel way. Be she feminist or anti-abortion, celebrating a cancer death belong to people with no empathy. Is that really the kind of person we want in GW2 community, and in a central position at that?

> @"Ephemiel.5694" said:

> So many fighting among themselves rather than focusing on the fact that we have an insane kitten [that was apparently let go from her previous job for what we can assume were these exact reasons] on Anet's writing team.

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> Seriously, do a little search on who she is and what she's said, even mentioning she was glad that Totalbiscuit died.

Celebrating that someone has died to cancer is the kind of behaviour that lacks any sense of empathy or ability to understand human feelings. The idea that my money is being spent to support such person is currently making me feel sick, and can't imagine how a game studio can accept such behaviour for any of their employees.

From now on I will continuously mention to people that Anet is the employer of people that celebrate when people die to cancer, and that is the kind of co-worker that the developers has.

> @"Tolmos.8395" said:

> > @"Zalavaaris.5329" said:

> > Honestly even if the criticism was sexist... you never... let me repeat that... NEVER treat any customer like that. Even when rude... you just cant do that

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> Maybe, but I'm not sure I agree. The real crux of the issue is that an Anet employee started an interesting and sensible discussion, received an equally interesting and sensible response from a well known content creator/customer, and called that customer names/publicly shamed them for "sexism" for daring to make a reply. And then was supported by a second Anet employee.

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> Someone actually being attacked and responding in kind is likely to garner support and a lot of "justice served" type posts supporting her, even if it is technically not the right reaction. This isn't the case here, though, and that multiple employees were involved is what's so disturbing.

I would add that when someone is being publicly shamed for "sexism" on twitter to ten of thousands of followers, the risk for death threats and physical injury is high and very real. Its a major risk to the health of the gw2 community if this became accepted behavior for developers.

It is in times like this that Gaile need to step in as a community leader and address the situation. Community trust is built on the relationship between developers and the player base and seeing a player being accused of sexism as a response to offering criticism over story narrative and being thrown to the wolfs on twitter by a developer is very serious. The implication is extreme, and the potential harm for the community massive.

This thread is only growing and while occasional stepping outside good tone and civility it is important to address the core issue rather than just the extreme posts at the edges. Moderators can help with those extremes, but I doubt there is enough moderators to stem the tied unless the core issue is actually addressed.

> @"Swagger.1459" said:

> I’m on team Jessica.

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> That “rando” person is trying to assume the limitations with personalized story telling through the mmo format, is not about the limited mmo format, but the problem lies with how Anet approaches personalized story telling through the “constraints of the Living Story’s narrative design”

>

> ...

Are you criticizing the argument of the "rando" person because he is male or female, and are thus just doing a thin wailed sexist comment? Can you prove it?

That is what this discussing is about. Not the pro and con of the different forms of personalized story telling, but rather if the comment itself was sexist. If the rando were employed by Anet and just now accused you of being sexist on social media and you may end up receiving death threats, would you think thats acceptable behavior?

The artistic merits of using different techniques for personalized story telling is relevant for a discussion about personalized story telling. I wish that was what we were discussing, but its rather irrelevant for the person being accused on social media for sexism.