PSA: These are not Pre-HoT Damage Numbers. Damage is significantly lower than Pre-Hot

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> @"Ovark.2514" said:

> Before HoT there was a large patch that buffed damage across the board. Was it part of the April 2014 feature pack? If so, this might BE a return to core numbers since the 7-8k backstabs were after the patch. If not, then OP is correct.

 

It was 2015, the specialisation update. I think April? So these are before that.

[UNOwen.7132]

> @"apharma.3741" said:

> > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > @"apharma.3741" said:

> > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > > > At the end of the day, after all these replies, has anyone ACTUALLY provided video evidence of equivalently equipped MegaBalance builds doing **more** damage than their Pre-Heart of Thorns counter parts? Like seriously folks, if you've got it bring it. It should be child's play. Finding modern day Berserker's stats thief and 2014 Berserker's stats thief was EASY. Heck I checked Guardian and warrior before I even started talking about how we're in a lower damage meta than Pre-Hot.

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> > > > Like it should be trivially easy, "oh here's 2020 core zerker ranger/guardian/necro/mesmer/warrior and it's doing WAY more damage than 2012 zerker ranger/guardian/necro/mesmer/warrior!" reapply to whatever class you see fit.

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> > > > No one is willing to challenge me on this.

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> > > > Damage is lower post-megabalance than it has ever been. Period. This isn't "a return to form."

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> > > "PSA: These are not Pre-HoT Damage Numbers. Damage is significantly lower than Pre-Hot"

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> > > Actually all anyone has to do is prove to you damage is not "significantly lower than Pre-HoT" so it seems to me quite easy to do by simply looking up skill coefficients and adding in damage mods. I might do that tomorrow evening but for now I have sleep.

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> > > For argument's sake I will say significant is 25% less damage in total, that sound fair?

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> > Considering I've already shown historically thieves did 70-100% more damage on their major damage skills than they do now, it's going to take more than just picking out one CC that somehow escaped getting tweaked at all like Shadow Shot. We're looking at skills that actually matter like Burning Rush on Eles, Arcing Slice on Warriors, Hundred Blades on Warrior, Pistol Whip on Thieves, Mind Wrack on Elementalists, Lich Form autos on necromancer.

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> So you want to cherry pick skills eh like some other forum user? Sorry but if you say we are doing significantly less damage you have to take the whole build into account, if only 1/4 of the build saw a 25% damage decrease but a lot of the extra damage mods are there then chances are you're doing the same damage across the board.

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> A build is not just 1 skill, you know that so don't make misguided statements like this or you shall fall upon your shadow.

 

Thats the thing though. Accross builds, damage modifiers *also* got lower. Exposed Weakness got worse, Assassins Signet got worse, Lead Attacks got worse, etc. etc.. Even accross the board, damage is a lot lower.

[Brujeria.7536]

The pre HOT state surely wasnt only about the damage between isolated skills. The Xpacs added a lot of new traits, effects and for some specs a lot more active skills (see Firebrand as prime example) which was another reason of the "powerspike". Overall the trait performance and many skills got buffed and improved. The damage ultimatly needs to be lower to make up for the added amount of skills that you can spam in any given time.