anduriell.6280 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 To follow up with the rp reason: Because druid dedicated more time to study the stars the pets grow wild and undisciplined. The Druid lose the ability to command the pet skills. Simply, druid has access to very problematic effects (celestial shadow for example) which in it's own is not a bad design. However if we mix it with smokescale smoke field + trap runes, the druids can easily achieve long term stealth on demand. There are other examples as the iboga pull triggers ancient seeds which then rolls up in perma immobilize. Future or reworked pets might bring undesired and unforeseen interactions as well. Blocking the access to the pets actives then Druids will be easier to balance and pets can bring better F2's for the other specializations without the worry of how it will interact with the Druid. Return the 20% of the stats lost because they do nothing to damage output and make the pets much more glassier for no real benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Beast ability traits... what happens with these if the Druid doesn’t have access to f2? Does the pet randomly use the f2 skills as if it was apart of their AI attack skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 > @"Abyssisis.3971" said: > Beast ability traits... what happens with these if the Druid doesn’t have access to f2? Does the pet randomly use the f2 skills as if it was apart of their AI attack skills? What about those? It wouldn't be the first elite to have some traits which do not work with the class. Anyhow is not like those are being used at all. Those are designed for PvP and i can't remember when was the last time i was taunted by a pet's active. May as well be reworked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Abyssisis.3971" said: > > Beast ability traits... what happens with these if the Druid doesn’t have access to f2? Does the pet randomly use the f2 skills as if it was apart of their AI attack skills? > > What about those? It wouldn't be the first elite to have some traits which do not work with the class. > Anyhow is not like those are being used at all. Those are designed for PvP and i can't remember when was the last time i was taunted by a pet's active. May as well be reworked. Wait, can you provide any example of traits entirely not working with elite specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 > @"Kodama.6453" said: > Wait, can you provide any example of traits entirely not working with elite specs? For example, Emphatic bond still doesn't work while merged. Here is thread with many bugged skills and traits for the soulbeast. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/5067/soulbeast-list-of-bugged-non-functional-abilities-and-traits Really ranger has the short stick when we are talking about maintenance and bug fixing. Even if we go for the no rework path, it's as easy as to add "on swapping pets first attack does..." to the existing effects. It's not like those traits are being used at the moment.Zephir's speed would benefit also from triggering with Beast Abilities anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Abyssisis.3971" said: > > Beast ability traits... what happens with these if the Druid doesn’t have access to f2? Does the pet randomly use the f2 skills as if it was apart of their AI attack skills? > > What about those? It wouldn't be the first elite to have some traits which do not work with the class. > Anyhow is not like those are being used at all. Those are designed for PvP and i can't remember when was the last time i was taunted by a pet's active. May as well be reworked. Oh I was just wondering as to what you thought about them since they activated on f2. Tho I wouldn’t mind losing f2, if the skills activated on pet swap, but it would have to be Druid only as pet swap and f2 on core/sb would cause a lot of salt from other classes. That way beast abilities traits can still be used on Druid, just not as on demand as an f2 skill would be, tho they would still be subject to their own cooldown, otherwise some skills would be very powerful on the petswap cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 nah, all those traits have Internal Cooldowns (12-20s) which are the ones who actually balance the trait. So the additional effect may be added directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > nah, all those traits have Internal Cooldowns (12-20s) which are the ones who actually balance the trait. So the additional effect may be added directly. Sorry my bad, I thought you meant swapping pets to activate beast abilities and therefore the beast ability trait. I understand what you mean now, and yeah, that would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazer.2157 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Yes let’s make a brain dead class even more brain dead and boring to play. Pick Druid and gone are the combo fields the pets can put up which you can finish with your combo finishers. No more picking your pet because its skills do not matter any longer. Seems to me you want the ranger to be another class more like a necromancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 This is a very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwituatara.6053 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 God no. AI is already horrible. I’d rather keep some utility and have 20% less pet stats. You’re basically sacrificing Druid spec for better utility for core and soulbeast which they don’t need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heukalyptus.9270 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I think Soulbeast's drawback, only having access to one pet, would have been better as the Druid drawback ! CoreRangers get two swapable pets, Druids can swap between two kits (weapons or CA) but only have one pet, and I would have Soulbeast get swapable pets back BUT only in the merged state. I think that works better, gameplay- and lore-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 > @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Kodama.6453" said: > > Wait, can you provide any example of traits entirely not working with elite specs? > For example, Emphatic bond still doesn't work while merged. > Here is thread with many bugged skills and traits for the soulbeast. > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/5067/soulbeast-list-of-bugged-non-functional-abilities-and-traits Pretty sure it was about trait completely not working with the espec, here you can still unmerge and the trait works. > Really ranger has the short stick when we are talking about maintenance and bug fixing. No, it doesn't, that's the same with most -if not all- other classes. Stop pretending "your" class is sO oPpReSsEd, it's not. @thread bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazze.9870 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 > @"Sobx.1758" said: > No, it doesn't, that's the same with most -if not all- other classes. Stop pretending "your" class is sO oPpReSsEd, it's not. Any other class have a mechanic that is still suffering from something as simple as being unaffected by quickness? No? Thougt so. It is not about HURR DURR, MY CLASS IS SPECIAL. It's about the fact that pets introduces the most bugs out of any class mechanic. Period. Don't try and humor me with something silly like guardian being as affected by bugs as ranger is and has been. Especially not when talking about the profession specific mechanic alone. Most other bugs not tied to a profession specific mechanic are tied to general mechanics shared across professions anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Lightness.8742 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Why not remove pet from druid. Most of the ranger pets are terrible and some are actuall suffering from bad ai. Its not really big diffrence from your suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 So issues with immob and stealth uptime due to a rune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 BM and all pet traits should be reworked to work even without pets, this would allow the development of Elite Spec for Ranger without having to depend on a pet for functional traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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