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[Van.5796]

The LFG system in GW is shocking. Instead of requesting to join a group, you join instantly then kicked if not wanted/needed. Why does it work this way? World of Warcraft has a queue you can join and once a group is available the instance will load. GW really need to adopt such a system as this allows players to experience instances as they level. Not everyone is in a guild or has enough members to run one. So let's get a better system up and running for all to get access to the instances.

[sitarskee.5738]

Sorry that it happened to you, it has never happened to me. Maybe you joined a group who was looking for a specific class. Possible solution is that you set up your own LFG so you're the one who kicks.

[Kichwas.7152]

It's pretty rare to get summarily kicked from a group. I'm sure I must have seen it at some point but I can't remember an example.

 

FFXIV has both systems - the random PUG and the list a group and people just join method. I'd say as a whole the community there trusts the results of the second system more. The random group gets all the 'guess what happened to me in a PUG recently' stories. The list a group system does get the complaints of people using it to sell runs or put up too restrictive of requirements, but for the most part - letting people just join up allows for relatively faster group forming and of people who have the same intentions.

 

IE: if you want to do a speedrun, want a certain comp, etc... - people join knowing that. In the random system when you get a new 'I want to watch all the cutscenes and explore all the side spots' player and a speedrunner there's drama...

 

> @"Van.5796" said:

> Not everyone is in a guild or has enough members to run one.

 

And the current system addresses that perfectly.

 

When they added the manual system to FFXIV, it was GW2 that a lot of people cited for inspiration. Noting at that time, the fan-run website that used to be used here. Having played both this and WoW, manual group building tools like this one are vastly better. Over the years, WoW has continuously improved it's manual group building tools - and a lot of that is because people wanted a tool like we have here because having to rely on their guild and friend list wasn't always viable. I'm not sure what state their manual tool is in right now - I do remember it being popular for their world-events system that they also copied from GW2...

 

 

[Smoosh.2718]

> @"Kichwas.7152" said:

 

> FFXIV has both systems - the random PUG and the list a group and people just join method.

 

FFXIV also has a feature of sometimes waiting 2 hours as a DPS for a dungeon queue pop.

Which makes me glad players in Gw2 can change their spec on the fly.

 

 

 

[Kichwas.7152]

> @"Smoosh.2718" said:

> > @"Kichwas.7152" said:

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> > FFXIV has both systems - the random PUG and the list a group and people just join method.

>

> FFXIV also has a feature of sometimes waiting 2 hours as a DPS for a dungeon queue pop.

> Which makes me glad players in Gw2 can change their spec on the fly.

>

 

That's a whole other topic but... so does FFXIV. Just switch your class, since every character can play every class, swap to the one that's in demand (a one button press), and the queue pops.

 

Or...

 

Avoid that random tool, and join a manual built group. They have the tool we have here also - and the secret is... DPS get into groups in that pretty fast, because you can look at all the groups forming, what they need, and just slide right into one.

- That's why I like the system GW2 has, and that manual system in FFXIV. These tools work better for finding groups to match your interests.

 

Over time even in WoW, the devs mostly abandoned the random LFG tool to low level content. Once you hit max, you need to use the manual system to do 'mythics' and 'world bosses' and 'events'. They've basically been copying from GW2 for a lot of these things...

- If I recall right though, in WoW you click to join, and have to wait for someone to accept you. This can result in failing to get into any group because they're all slow to hit accept and it times out or they don't see the notice or whatever.

 

Here people join, and groups usually just 'roll with it' for whatever ends up in the group. And since it's manual, you can also see what's happening if a group is slow to form... like the other day when I was trying to run a T3 fractal late at night - our group wasn't filling, and I could see that there were also no other groups. It was just not the right time. In WoW I might sit in LFG for an hour and think other people were getting groups and maybe I should switch toons or something - all of which would have been useless if no one online was in the tool, but over there I can't see that info like I can here. Unless I'm looking for something "endgame", where they've removed the random tool (funny how in WoW, 99.99% of the game is called 'endgame' - making that term meaningless... but, whatever...).

 

 

 

[Fuchslein.8639]

> @"Van.5796" said:

> The LFG system in GW is shocking. Instead of requesting to join a group, you join instantly then kicked if not wanted/needed. Why does it work this way? World of Warcraft has a queue you can join and once a group is available the instance will load. GW really need to adopt such a system as this allows players to experience instances as they level. Not everyone is in a guild or has enough members to run one. So let's get a better system up and running for all to get access to the instances.

 

Please just try to learn to read the LFG. Or Join groups that have no requirements.

The system in GW2 is good. So everybody can decide with whom he wants to play, which is especially important for higher content.

 

In case of doubt you can also just open your own group, without any conditions. No guild or other necessary things needed :).