Necro needs serious buff ...

[maciora.9542]

I am being kicked from every group, did not yet open my mouth or did anything - they see necro and they kick us out. This needs to be changed... Necro is like pariah at the moment with people shouting something is OP but in reality no one wants crappy necro with its crappy dmg. This needs to be changed in next patch I believe...

[Dragoth.7153]

I wait 5 years already. Come and join me :)

[Baldrick.8967]

Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

[TheLastNobody.8319]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

 

Been a couple weeks now actually, Scrouge may still be good for WvW zerging, but they made bug fixes that reduced damage by about 8 to 10,000. Bug fixes that should’ve been. Caught in the beta, like stacking shades and dhuumfire pulsing on every pulse of desert shroud. (Everyone thought that was working fine because otherwise it makes dhuumfire worthless.).

 

 

[Crinn.7864]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

 

What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

 

Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

[Justine.6351]

> @Crinn.7864 said:

> > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

>

> What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

>

> Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

 

Why must every "scourge sucks" thread be created by pvers who fail to mention it's pve oriented until 6 posts in. There are other game modes and the most prominent one for scourge is probaby wvw. Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

[Ashyri.5426]

> @Justine.6351 said:

> Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

 

Yes, to the point of removing necro's builds from meta PvE guides. Not even kidding.

 

[JustDemons.4358]

truth is the only viable thing across all game modes and all specs is a scoruge in pvp and wvw zerg. in wvw u cant even really roam with scourge cuz u get stunfiesta'ed or kited. we have zero reliable control options for the mobile classes and warriors just chase and stun lock you.

[Crinn.7864]

> @Justine.6351 said:

> > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > > Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

> >

> > What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

> >

> > Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

>

> Why must every "scourge sucks" thread be created by pvers who fail to mention it's pve oriented until 6 posts in. There are other game modes and the most prominent one for scourge is probaby wvw. Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

 

The context is fairly obvious without having to explicitly state it.

 

Also this is why PvE necros are crying

https://i.imgur.com/HFsvV3W.png

[Wetnap.4518]

> @Obtena.7952 said:

> > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > @Justine.6351 said:

> > > > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > > > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > > > > Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

> > > >

> > > > What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

> > > >

> > > > Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

> > >

> > > Why must every "scourge sucks" thread be created by pvers who fail to mention it's pve oriented until 6 posts in. There are other game modes and the most prominent one for scourge is probaby wvw. Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

> >

> > The context is fairly obvious without having to explicitly state it.

> >

> > Also this is why PvE necros are crying

> > https://i.imgur.com/HFsvV3W.png

>

> Perhaps it wasn't well stated but I think the point is that it's not really a problem that Scourge isn't great for PVE and it's not unique in that regard either; there are other Especs like Scrapper that aren't spectacular in PVE either. Basically, people assume too much about what an espec should do and as we get more and more Especs, it's going to be increasingly silly to complain that EVERY Espec is not good for every aspect of the game. You're just seeing what is a natural progression; if players are being reasonable, they will quickly see how ridiculous it will be to demand every Espec be relevant for every aspect of the game ... some wiser players are already there.

 

The OP didn't even mention Scourge. Necro has zero builds (core or elite spec) viable for high end fractals or raids.

[Zoltreez.6435]

> @Wetnap.4518 said:

> Necro has zero builds (core or elite spec) viable for high end fractals or raids.

 

for many years now.....

[Obtena.7952]

> @Wetnap.4518 said:

> > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > > @Justine.6351 said:

> > > > > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > > > > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > > > > > Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

> > > > >

> > > > > What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

> > > > >

> > > > > Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

> > > >

> > > > Why must every "scourge sucks" thread be created by pvers who fail to mention it's pve oriented until 6 posts in. There are other game modes and the most prominent one for scourge is probaby wvw. Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

> > >

> > > The context is fairly obvious without having to explicitly state it.

> > >

> > > Also this is why PvE necros are crying

> > > https://i.imgur.com/HFsvV3W.png

> >

> > Perhaps it wasn't well stated but I think the point is that it's not really a problem that Scourge isn't great for PVE and it's not unique in that regard either; there are other Especs like Scrapper that aren't spectacular in PVE either. Basically, people assume too much about what an espec should do and as we get more and more Especs, it's going to be increasingly silly to complain that EVERY Espec is not good for every aspect of the game. You're just seeing what is a natural progression; if players are being reasonable, they will quickly see how ridiculous it will be to demand every Espec be relevant for every aspect of the game ... some wiser players are already there.

>

> The OP didn't even mention Scourge. Necro has zero builds (core or elite spec) viable for high end fractals or raids.

 

Well, if I was replying to the OP, you might have a point. But if it makes you feel any better, yet, on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love.

[Zoltreez.6435]

> @Obtena.7952 said:

> on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love.

 

Did Obenta realy said that ?

 

oh.....my.....gaaaaawd..... its happening.... we are breaking the 4th dimension....

 

there is still hope for Necromancer Fixes after all....

[Obtena.7952]

> @Crinn.7864 said:

> > @Justine.6351 said:

> > > @Crinn.7864 said:

> > > > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > > > Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

> > >

> > > What is with WvW players always assuming every thread on the necro subforum must be about WvW.

> > >

> > > Literally every single "scourge sucks" thread on this subforum is written from the perspective of PvE. Not WvW, not sPvP.

> >

> > Why must every "scourge sucks" thread be created by pvers who fail to mention it's pve oriented until 6 posts in. There are other game modes and the most prominent one for scourge is probaby wvw. Did pve necromancers suddenly become undesirabble in pve after 5 years? With the number of scourge crying threads... honest question as idk.

>

> The context is fairly obvious without having to explicitly state it.

>

> Also this is why PvE necros are crying

> https://i.imgur.com/HFsvV3W.png

 

Perhaps it wasn't well stated but I think the point is that it's not really a problem that Scourge isn't great for PVE and it's not unique in that regard either; there are other Especs like Scrapper that aren't spectacular in PVE either. Basically, people assume too much about what an espec should do and as we get more and more Especs, it's going to be increasingly silly to complain that EVERY Espec is not good for every aspect of the game. You're just seeing what is a natural progression; if players are being reasonable, they will quickly see how ridiculous it will be to demand every Espec be relevant for every aspect of the game ... some wiser players are already there.

[Axl.8924]

> @Zoltreez.6435 said:

> > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love.

>

> Did Obenta realy said that ?

>

> oh.....my.....gaaaaawd..... its happening.... we are breaking the 4th dimension....

>

> there is still hope for Necromancer Fixes after all....

 

question what class does obtenna play? is she a mesmer or ele?

[dceptaconroy.7928]

@Obtena.7952 said:

on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

[Baldrick.8967]

> @dceptaconroy.7928 said:

> @Obtena.7952 said:

> on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

 

That troll post made me laugh! Necros can output plenty of damage in pve as well as being able to tank almost anything. especially given the 'more condis even from mobs' Point of Failure when you can throw them all straight back.

 

It's not all about maxing damage output (although I understand the crazy ones who insist on this) and only taking those classes that can output the most....

[Axl.8924]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > @dceptaconroy.7928 said:

> > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

>

> That troll post made me laugh! Necros can output plenty of damage in pve as well as being able to tank almost anything. especially given the 'more condis even from mobs' Point of Failure when you can throw them all straight back.

>

> It's not all about maxing damage output (although I understand the crazy ones who insist on this) and only taking those classes that can output the most....

 

Sounds to me like your a troll.

 

Necros can't play both reaper and scourge at the same time last i saw.Also:26k compared to a limit of 47k of a ele is a massive difference, and if necros elite spec(scourge is taken down from the raid builds, thats a massive big deal.Sure necros can raid, but they are super niche and are unlikely to be tolerated in raids.Before path of fire, i was literally told to reroll and experienced toxic behavior towards me for playing reaper.

 

1:If you play scourge you sacrifice tankiness thus the tankiness thing you talk about is from reaper.

2:What good is being tanky in pve if you cannot provide good buffs/Heals/DPS to compete with others?

3:Boon corrupt is useless in raids, and is only viable in fractals.

 

Necros are fine for fractals, but for raids:We are so niche with reaper, that we are mostly good for our aoe damage which is good on a few raids, such as escort for an example.The nerf to scourge if it truly is below reaper, is not fine as that really runs the risk of dps being too severely gimped for fractals and for raids.

 

If for an example a ps warrior which has better support than a scourge can do 30-31k and a scourge is supposed to be heavy support, then the ps warrior has to be nerfed a bit, otherwise that necro runs the risk of being completely undesireable for raids.Its one thing to have builds as said that are niche, like eles have different builds which are viable, so why can't we necros too have different viable builds? why should we be shunned and mocked? thats not fair.

 

If necro has to stay the same in everything, then i want every class to be nerfed as well into our dmg level, cause it aint cool.Look at the power creep, and how it is effecting both pve fractals for an example raids and look at pvp.Necros were really strong maybe overly strong in spvp, but before that reaper was a joke in spvp in damage.Try to run around dpsing and you will die before you can deal any damage and enemies laugh at you and mock you.

 

Just about only thing necros are great at is WVW(especially reapers) and we dominate in that sector, and that is because we are made for it in mind with our aoes.

[Obtena.7952]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > @dceptaconroy.7928 said:

> > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

>

> That troll post made me laugh! Necros can output plenty of damage in pve as well as being able to tank almost anything. especially given the 'more condis even from mobs' Point of Failure when you can throw them all straight back.

>

> It's not all about maxing damage output (although I understand the crazy ones who insist on this) and only taking those classes that can output the most....

 

Nothing you have said makes sense. Necros are not in an OK place because you can play a Scourge and get some kind of reasonable damage output or throw back condis. In fact, the idea that you HAVE to play Scourge to get a decent performance from the class is indicative of how far behind the general Necro concept it is.

 

No it's not about maxing damage, but if you aren't maxing damage, you do sort of expect something else good to happen for you as well. Yes, there is a build that Necro can tank and defeat enemies all day long ... but again, I would say that's a fundamental failure of the class, not something indicative of how awesome it is. While I'm known to play devil's advocate and heavily question many of the ideas people push as good for Necro, I am not finding the current state of the Necro, in general, as acceptable. I have my reasons, primarily that going into Shroud requires you to 'give up' your build ... ain't nothing fun or clever about having to do that. The only reason Scourge is as good is because, intentional or not, it abandons the old Shroud concept.

[Zero.3871]

At the moment scourge is like all other necros, only viable in wvw zergs carried by other classes because his own support is nearly non existing and so his sustain is nearly 0.

barrier is neither good support mechanic nor a good sustain mechanic.

 

for the scourge as a **support class** they should let the dmg where it is and increase the support aspect of scourge, because this is the fucking main task of this class! said anet...

[Zoltreez.6435]

> @Zero.3871 said:

> At the moment scourge is like all other necros, only viable in wvw zergs carried by other classes because his own support is nearly non existing and so his sustain is nearly 0.

> barrier is neither good support mechanic nor a good sustain mechanic.

>

> for the scourge as a **support class** they should let the dmg where it is and increase the support aspect of scourge, because this is the kitten main task of this class! said anet...

 

you forgot from the list that our utility and mobility is also near 0......

[Zoltreez.6435]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > @dceptaconroy.7928 said:

> > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

>

> That troll post made me laugh! Necros can output plenty of damage in pve as well as being able to tank almost anything. especially given the 'more condis even from mobs' Point of Failure when you can throw them all straight back.

>

> It's not all about maxing damage output (although I understand the crazy ones who insist on this) and only taking those classes that can output the most....

 

you have NO idea how classes work and how others classes compare to necro nor know how highlevel fractals work if you believe in what you saying here...

[Asura Master Race.1593]

> @Zoltreez.6435 said:

> > @Baldrick.8967 said:

> > > @dceptaconroy.7928 said:

> > > @Obtena.7952 said:

> > > on a general level, Necro is a very weak class overall and could use lots of love. Good stuff mate, i like this!

> >

> > That troll post made me laugh! Necros can output plenty of damage in pve as well as being able to tank almost anything. especially given the 'more condis even from mobs' Point of Failure when you can throw them all straight back.

> >

> > It's not all about maxing damage output (although I understand the crazy ones who insist on this) and only taking those classes that can output the most....

>

> you have NO idea how classes work and how others classes compare to necro nor know how highlevel fractals work if you believe in what you saying here...

 

If he doesn't play instanced content he would not know.

 

Open world and instances are two separate beasts.

[Carighan.6758]

> @Baldrick.8967 said:

> Did I miss something? did necro get a serious nerf in the last week? There are so many scourges in wvw...are you still playing core necro??

 

Necro, like Mesmer, is a class plagued with deep-seated mechanical and design flaws which are untouched because they already perform well in select scenarios. As a result they classified under "fine", because of say, WvW roaming or PvE multi-mob condi shifting, but remain a broken class at their core.

 

Scourge made this more obvious, though to be fair if ANet had taken their advertised Scourge design serious and attempted to create a "true" support-spec via shielding (compare Disc Priest in WoW) then we might have seen a move towards sensible design. Nevermind the upsides of creating space for Reaper and core Necro to live in, if Scourge gets accepted (and I mean a hypothetical support scourge here, not the powerful but ill-designed condi bomber we got).