shadowpass.4236 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/11866/are-you-happy-with-the-current-state-of-pvp/p1 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/11869/are-you-happy-with-the-current-state-of-wvw#latest Obviously something is wrong. What is Anet going to do about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Balance patch is next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haishao.6851 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I doubt 85% of the playerbase play WvW or PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojimaru.8970 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Haishao.6851 said: > I doubt 85% of the playerbase play WvW or PvP I also doubt 235 people are representative of "85% of the playerbase." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Less than 300 voters for the PvP poll and slightly over 300 for the WvW poll, some unknown number of which may have voted for both. Someday you’ll want to read about sample size, how questions are phrased affect the results and about self selection bias, as I suspect all 3 of these affect these 2 polls. At any rate a balance patch is coming up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi Spender.1082 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'm okay with the state of it, but only because I don't play PvP and WvW. But going to some of the class boards kind of shows me why they are and I can't really say I blame them... mainly Necros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogLeg.9354 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Players who are happy with game have no reason to even visit the forums - meaning every game forum is full of people complaining about the game and demanding changes, this does not make overall playerbase unhappy. Many active forum posters do not even play the game anymore, yet they continue to complain about it on daily basis. We have seen this happening before. Years ago few players did huuuuge campaign in the forum claiming the game is too easy and how every player expects more difficult enemies and more complex maps. So, when Anet listened and released HoT, it was disaster. Turned out the overall playerbase did not really want that at all and lots of players quit even after HoT content was nerfed multiple times. Same way, when new maps were added to the WvW couple players flooded the forum with posts how horrible new map were and how everyone loves the good old WvW maps we have been running around for 5 years. I admit original desert maps had problems and in some parts were unfinished, bugs got fixed and maps were updated, yet the whining continued. Once the developers placed in actual poll that was pointed out in the game, it turned out most players were now fine with these maps despite couple posters still complaining about them. Gliding in WvW. Again, few people posting new threads every day to complain how it will ruin WvW and make everyone quit. Turned out, nope, everyone loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrin.1035 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Solution: Take PvP and WvW out of the game completely. Put all work and focus on PvE. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 "Players who are happy with the game have no reason to even visit the forums" ........ I wish this fallacy would stop being repeated. Forum is here to provide positive, negative, and request comments. If the forum was only for negative feedback then it would be true that players who are happy with the game would have no reason to visit the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohoni.6057 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 85% of GW2 players don't care about either mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayne.8563 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > "Players who are happy with the game have no reason to even visit the forums" ........ I wish this fallacy would stop being repeated. Forum is here to provide positive, negative, and request comments. If the forum was only for negative feedback then it would be true that players who are happy with the game would have no reason to visit the forums. While what you say is true, it's not a complete fallacy. That is to say, I had feedback cards in my computer store. 95% of the people who used those cards used them to complain. But 95% of our customer base never filled them out, even though most of them were happy with the service. It takes effort for many to post on the forums and that requires motivation. Being displeased is more motivation to post than being happy. If you're happy you're motivated to play, and you don't need to spend the time here. Complaining is human nature. Complimenting, not so much. It's true you CAN do both. But people who are not happy with the game have more time not playing to spend here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 @Vayne ..... And yet I have heard you profess that you really enjoy the game. How is it that you are on the forums so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > "Players who are happy with the game have no reason to even visit the forums" ........ I wish this fallacy would stop being repeated. It's not a fallacy. Happy people are doing what makes them happy; bored and cranky people take time to comment. It's pretty easy to see at nearly any forum. Companies that score well from independent assessments might do poorly on GlassDoor. It turns out to be one of the bigger problems for sites like Yelp to deal with, too. > Forum is here to provide positive, negative, and request comments. While true, it doesn't mean that those opinions are proportionally represented on the forums > If the forum was only for negative feedback then it would be true that players who are happy with the game would have no reason to visit the forums. Yes, as it turns out, players who are happy are less likely to visit the forums. If we believe the /profession forums, all classes are nerfed to the ground (and all the others are overpowered). None of that means that happy players don't post here. It just means that crankiness is overrepresented. And that's not even a bad thing, for ANet. It just means that we can't measure how popular or unpopular an idea from viewing polls here or how many posts there are complaining about this or that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunarlife.5128 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 There are certain elements of statistics like bias that make surveys very difficult. On the other hand it is nice to have the data and for people to bring things up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I enjoy the game. That doesn't mean there are parts of it I don't like. I read the forums everyday partially because I enjoy a lively debate. The forums hold some interest apart from the game. I think this fallacy of the bitter complainer is used to claim some consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaltys.7649 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Ohoni.6057 said: > 85% of GW2 players don't care about either mode. Which is why I, at least, voted 'no' on that poll. Because I couldn't say that I'm happy with the current state of the PvP: the devs should just stop trying to balance it, and focus the resources on developing PvE instead. Having to balance abilities and professions for both PvE and PvP means that some things simply cannot be added into the game without breaking something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogLeg.9354 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > I enjoy the game. That doesn't mean there are parts of it I don't like. I read the forums everyday partially because I enjoy a lively debate. The forums hold some interest apart from the game. I think this fallacy of the bitter complainer is used to claim some consensus. If 200 players complain about the game in the forum, then only thing we know for sure is that 200 players complained in the forum. What we also know is that those 200 players are NOT 85% of playerbase. The claim in the title of this thread is plain wrong. In case you want to show opinion of 85% playerbase you would need to know total number of players first. Which we don't know. We don't also know how many from total players play PvP or WvW. Even after these numbers it is still fairly weird to assume those who post frequently in the forum represent somehow exactly everyone who never visits the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greener.6204 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Admittedly, it is conclusions like this which make me wonder why Anet allowed for polls to exist on the forums. Sure, most of us know they're for entertainment purposes, but there are people who aren't as familiar or comfortable with stats, and they're prone to making errors like the above. OP, do take the advice from other posters to heart; not just for the polls on this forum, but for polls you'll find anywhere online. They suffer from many biases which makes any conclusion you try to draw from them suspect at best :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troops.8276 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Of course there is another demographic that is also not represented in the poll at all. All the people who have left the game. Is the active playerbase in a trend of decline? Is the active pvp playerbase increasing? IRL you may notice that if you think something, quite often you'll realise that many others feel the same, even without polls. So yes, it's an incomplete data set, but then there are 2 types of people in life; 1. those that can extrapolate from incomplete data sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Oh, I agree that the 85 percent number is made up......... I am always against players claiming numbers or some made up consensus. No one has the numbers. There is also no proof that those who dislike the game come to the forums more often than those that like the game. Let's drop the bitter complainer fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi Spender.1082 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 There should've been a 3rd option to even be fair (not accurate but fair). There isn't even an option on "Don't Care/Don't Play this feature". Also kind of bad in the situation to have them just on the PvP and WvW board and think everyone that plays the game (or even come to the forums) go to those boards to even vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troops.8276 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 There is other ways to interpret what is going on. To merely say 'most people dont care about pvp, its just observer bias' is quite potentially observer bias in itself and possibly failing to see the bigger picture. Why do so few, seemingly, that still play this game have no interest in pvp? Do pvp based games in general take a a very small part of the market share? Could the sentiment of those who express negative views about the state of pvp be a reason some ppl no longer play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > @Vayne ..... And yet I have heard you profess that you really enjoy the game. How is it that you are on the forums so often? I thought everyone knew by now.. all is Vayne :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki.6073 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > "Players who are happy with the game have no reason to even visit the forums" ........ I wish this fallacy would stop being repeated. Forum is here to provide positive, negative, and request comments. If the forum was only for negative feedback then it would be true that players who are happy with the game would have no reason to visit the forums. You're forgetting basic human traits. It is absolutely expected for developers to do their job well, in addition to the fact negative situations have a larger impact on the human brain than positive situations. We even remember negative situations better than positive situations. This drives humans to complain faaaaar more often than they compliment. How often do you see people raging in games compared to genuine compliments? Complaining is also a form of letting stress go, where as humans don't have this sudden urge to go out and say something positive. There is also the issue that forum communities are always a minority. Feedback for changes that impact everyone would have to come from more than just forums, it's why games send out emails, in-game surveys, look at Reddit, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan.3472 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I am satisfied with both... BTW polls are BS last year Polls predicted Hillary Clinton to win US election with 97% intended votes and now Trump is US President. xD Hillaryous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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