Lily.1935 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 From testing I've done real quick the reaper is still below DPS in comparison to Scourge and considering that scourge's DPS is still below benchmark neither are viable. The changes were nice however the ultimate problem is they are still much too conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kKagari.6804 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Changes seem PvP oriented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmataz.1423 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Justine.6351 said: > Now wait for the tears about how squishy the reaper is going to be. I hope it works out for people but I'm pretty sure reapers are still going to be driven out of wvw by scourge. Yah my thoughts exactly...power reaper was viable in wvw ...just. But with the changes to shroud up time there isn't going to be time to actually hit much as well as becoming an easy target. Oh well, was hoping to go back to reaper but meh looks like scourge wins hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravezaar.4951 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 The dmg in Reaper Shroud is fantastic, none can argue against that or they simply doing stuff wrong, but the decay of shroud is bad. This Shroud decay makes me miss the old 7sec Speed of Shadows even more, really could have made it work as a burst Reaper with that. ...still Iam gonna try some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Svarty.8019 said: > > @Arzurag.7506 said: > > I shed a tear out of my left eye, the increases , I can´t take it, they listened. > > They gave with one hand, took away with the other and people only saw the positive. Humans are kitten. Exactly ... people you need to test this to see the OVERALL DPS impact ... it's not the miracle everyone thinks it is and you just paid through the nose for it ... Ironically, the 10% DPS buff to Cold Shoulder that everyone was crapping on is a better DPS buff that what you see in this patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kKagari.6804 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Delete!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithwall.8201 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 congratz, now power reaper is almost as .... bad ... as condi reaper/scourge whatever. YAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.3871 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 i really have to say i was surprised by the changes. the reaper get a lot more dmg. it would be nice to test it and i think the amount of bonus dmg is great enough to think "MAYBE, MAYBE". BUT the dmg before the patch of reaper was already very high (perspective of a wvw`ler), problem was that reaper wasnt able to hit enemies with his dmg, and thats the bad news: he is still not able to hit enemies. every enemy can outplay you easily. how you want to bring this dmg from reaper shroud to the enemy? i really dont know the answer... on the other side, the bugfixe of Dhuumfire pushed the scourge a little bit. AND warrior get nerfed. finally in my opinion ITS THE BEST BALANCE PATCH I EVER SAW. because scourge get pushed a bit like they promised. warrior get nerfed, so this hardcounter of scourge lost his brainless perma resistance. reaper get buffed strongly and some masteries got a rework. a good patch for necromancers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Power Reaper does about the same DPS as it did pre-patch after some tests(which is still terribly low). It is decent enough considering the removal of GotL removed 10% from everyone's DPS. The big difference is that going Shroud isn't a DPS loss, it's not a DPS increase either. But at least it's not punishing you for going Shroud to defend yourself anymore. Power Reaper is still trash for Raids. But it's a good patch anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Aktium.9506 said: > Power Reaper does about the same DPS as it did pre-patch after some tests(which is still terribly low). It is decent enough considering the removal of GotL removed 10% from everyone's DPS. > > The big difference is that going Shroud isn't a DPS loss, it's not a DPS increase either. But at least it's not punishing you for going Shroud to defend yourself anymore. Power Reaper is still trash for Raids. But it's a good patch anyway. I thumbs this ... because weeks ago, people were calling for 30% increases in power reaper damage and saying Cold Shoulder buff was garbage ... and now those very people are applauding these changes as the best patch they have seen for an equivalent amount of DPS buffs as Cold Shoulder while giving up a whole bunch of choice and sustain. Just WOW. Those guys get what they deserve. Glad I'm not affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amenon.9126 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Zero.3871 said: > i really have to say i was surprised by the changes. the reaper get a lot more dmg. it would be nice to test it and i think the amount of bonus dmg is great enough to think "MAYBE, MAYBE". BUT the dmg before the patch of reaper was already very high (perspective of a wvw`ler), problem was that reaper wasnt able to hit enemies with his dmg, and thats the bad news: he is still not able to hit enemies. every enemy can outplay you easily. how you want to bring this dmg from reaper shroud to the enemy? i really dont know the answer... > > on the other side, the bugfixe of Dhuumfire pushed the scourge a little bit. AND warrior get nerfed. > > finally in my opinion ITS THE BEST BALANCE PATCH I EVER SAW. because scourge get pushed a bit like they promised. warrior get nerfed, so this hardcounter of scourge lost his brainless perma resistance. reaper get buffed strongly and some masteries got a rework. a good patch for necromancers... Scourge DPS went from 27k to 27.5k, big increase indeed. Power Reaper's DPS was increased by MAYBE 15% considering that shroud runs out twice as fast now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edenfer.9816 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 The buffs are pretty good, I got way higher burst on my usual reaper zerk build in T4 fracts. I was top dps consistently without much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublimatio.6981 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 realistic buffs i got: 26.9k power reaper 29.5k condi reaper 29.1k condi scourge. (im bad at scourge tho) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 For me big plus for reaper.. i played some time other classses so learn to dodge and new reaper and his "unleash the beast" button fits me great. Scourge was good before so back to main class necro ;) Thanks Anet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Edenfer.9816 said: > The buffs are pretty good, I got way higher burst on my usual reaper zerk build in T4 fracts. > I was top dps consistently without much effort. > How are you doing in PvP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edenfer.9816 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 > @Svarty.8019 said: > > @Edenfer.9816 said: > > The buffs are pretty good, I got way higher burst on my usual reaper zerk build in T4 fracts. > > I was top dps consistently without much effort. > > > > How are you doing in PvP? Mostly PVE'ing these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 how is the power burst for wvw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardRider.2980 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Reaper - Warhorn #5 skill... Shroud... Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Interesting...they used exciting words and phrases like increase damage to make people froth, knowing when in that state you miss some other stuff. Stuff thats important. This all creates build diversity which peaks our interest and curiosity for a while. Its the usual magicians sleight of hand. Shuts us all up for a while atleast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mompen.7952 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @Justine.6351 said: > how is the power burst for wvw? Pretty damn good. I was testing a bit with Strength Runes, with the new "Awaken the Pain"-trait, which boosts might-power. At a point when I was at 25 stacks of might I had 3,8k power, lol. It did hit like a truck. The degeneration of LF seems a bit too high, tho :anguished: Buff to second chain in autoattack also was nice. Gravediggers hit from 5-12k, depending on situation and type of target ofc. I tried to compensate LF-degen with the refreshed Signets of Suffering-trait and Signet of Undeath for 3% LF-regen while in combat, also while in shroud, but IDK, seems like it didnt do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldirtbeard.9834 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @mompen.7952 said: > > @Justine.6351 said: > > how is the power burst for wvw? > > Pretty kitten good. > > I was testing a bit with Strength Runes, with the new "Awaken the Pain"-trait, which boosts might-power. > At a point when I was at 25 stacks of might I had 3,8k power, lol. It did hit like a truck. > The degeneration of LF seems a bit too high, tho :anguished: > Buff to second chain in autoattack also was nice. > > Gravediggers hit from 5-12k, depending on situation and type of target ofc. > > I tried to compensate LF-degen with the refreshed Signets of Suffering-trait and Signet of Undeath for 3% LF-regen while in combat, also while in shroud, but IDK, seems like it didnt do much. That's unfortunate, so wells are still the way to go? I'll definitely be buying strength runes, what about for the 2nd Sigil, Force and Strength there as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yeah dirt strength all round is what 've found to be the go. Id also be interested in seeing the wells vs signet figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.3871 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @Amenon.9126 said: > > @Zero.3871 said: > > i really have to say i was surprised by the changes. the reaper get a lot more dmg. it would be nice to test it and i think the amount of bonus dmg is great enough to think "MAYBE, MAYBE". BUT the dmg before the patch of reaper was already very high (perspective of a wvw`ler), problem was that reaper wasnt able to hit enemies with his dmg, and thats the bad news: he is still not able to hit enemies. every enemy can outplay you easily. how you want to bring this dmg from reaper shroud to the enemy? i really dont know the answer... > > > > on the other side, the bugfixe of Dhuumfire pushed the scourge a little bit. AND warrior get nerfed. > > > > finally in my opinion ITS THE BEST BALANCE PATCH I EVER SAW. because scourge get pushed a bit like they promised. warrior get nerfed, so this hardcounter of scourge lost his brainless perma resistance. reaper get buffed strongly and some masteries got a rework. a good patch for necromancers... > > Scourge DPS went from 27k to 27.5k, big increase indeed. Power Reaper's DPS was increased by MAYBE 15% considering that shroud runs out twice as fast now. yeah, thats the reason i wrote: "(perspective of a wvw`ler)". you have other rotations there. but its good that reaper found finally into the powerspace. but lets test him before we enter the final report^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volrath.1473 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 well i have to say grats! you dodged the bullet and continue to be the most dominant prof in pvp. 2 necors in the same team = 95% chace to win. i sacrifice a chicken every time I sit down to queue to ask the gods to place me in the team that has the 2 necros. If im on the oposite team i alt tab to netflix and wait it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oslaf Beinir.5842 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 after toying around with Yolosmith I kinda find it an upgraded Reaper Shroud minus the chill and boon removal but with more dmg and defense on lower cooldowns still meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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