DarcShriek.5829 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > You edit a dictionary? Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rococo.8347 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Also the Isle of Man actually has quite robust Law governing Loot boxes weirdly enough - if you care about this and are based in the UK - push your MP to look at what is probably the most enlightened modern example of gambling Law in Europe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulter.2315 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I'm not sure Anet should base policy around you and your dog. Afterall you survived in GW2 for 5 years with BLTCs, not until the art department made a dog mount like yours did you "relapse." I would hate for Anet to no longer make adorable dog mounts just incase other gambling addicts want to get them. In all seriousness don't treat this as a relapse, addicts main issue is the "oh fuck it" reflex - they like to say they failed and use it as an excuse to just go mad. The maximum you could have paid for the dog mount was £127.50, don't ruin your life by claiming you're now "off the wagon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenooble.5014 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Is driving to work gambling? Driving is risky and there's a chance you don't get to the desired location. Is drinking milk gambling? There is a risk the milk could have spoiled and you don't get the desired milk. Seems like we can say literally anything that isn't constant in outcome is in some way a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulter.2315 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. > > You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. You're trying to convince an alcoholic that they are drunk, which has a very commmon response in addicts, to say "oh fuck it" and go drink more. The kinder thing to do would be to explain to the gentleman that he hasn't relapsed, that the maximum the dog mount would have cost was £127.50 and he isn't going down the path he thinks he is. Allowing someone to believe they are "off the wagon" just to win an argument is pretty immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @Coulter.2315 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > > > > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. > > > > You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. > > You're trying to convince an alcoholic that they are drunk, which has a very commmon response in addicts, to say "oh kitten it" and go drink more. The kinder thing to do would be to explain to the gentleman that he hasn't relapsed, that the maximum the dog mount would have cost was £127.50 and he isn't going down the path he thinks he is. > > Allowing someone to believe they are "off the wagon" just to win an argument is pretty immoral. I have not once addressed the OP in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio.4259 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Its REALLY silly how people are focused on arguing the definition of "gambling", when the post is made by a recovering gambling addict who is getting pulled back into it by the loot boxes. Just because "a" skin is guaranteed to drop, doesnt mean you aren't gambling at getting the skin you WANT. Whether the definition applies or not, it is preying on the SAME human psyche. Even if it isnt defined as "gambling"...it's "darn near the same thing as gambling". The definition REALLY doesnt matter one bit. The trading card game comparison is also stupid. If I want a shiny card I dont have to buy 30 packs. I can just buy the single card I want for $10. When we can do this with the mount skins, THEN they can be compared. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DorDor.8617 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. Perfectly true. And that's why your insistence on avoiding that discussion has been terribly detrimental to the discussion as a whole. In a system such as ours, the law doesn't change unless people "whine", as you so delicately put it. And whether you like it or not, there is a very strong argument that loot boxes _should_ be considered gambling. It's a game of chance that presses all the same psychological buttons. Continued participation in that game can be bought with real currency. People like OP can and will spend absurd amounts of money on these things, because that's what addicts do: pursue an addiction beyond rational thought or consequences. Gambling isn't necessarily a bad thing. I know a lot of people that play the lottery or spend a vacation playing slots at a casino. But like alcohol or tobacco, gambling has the potential to be incredibly predatory. It can exacerbate impulse-control problems to the point that lives are ruined. That's why the industry is so heavily-regulated. This is not a trivial concern, and if you work in the gambling industry, you should (hopefully) understand that better than anyone. Arenanet needs to take a serious look at this new system, consider the effect it has on people like OP, and work to improve it for the betterment of all. Because even if it doesn't meet the technical definition of gambling, it's similar enough to disturb a lot of people, myself included. It needs to be looked into, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamazuki.6073 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @"Miss Lana.5276" said: > > @Zaklex.6308 said: > > 2. > > take risky action in the hope of a desired result. > > Yet again, thanks for clearing that up for us and proving yourself wrong! > > > @MarcellinoAlighieri.7194 said: > > I am floored that there are people on here telling a recovering gambling addict the definition of gambling. > > I'm absolutely disgusted that there are morons that have the gall to do things like that. Preaching to the choir doesn't even begin to describe it. Gambling means ~~you win or~~ you [almost always] lose. These mounts are not a win or a lose. They are all equally valuable, with the personal value being nothing but opinions. Lets also not forget there is a fail safe; zero duplicates and zero substitute items. It is not risky when your chances of losing is zero or you're guaranteed your desired item after a point. When you go and gamble you can gamble or roll the dice 1,000,000,000 times and still end with less than what you had. A Casino isn't going to hand you a billion dollars when you "lose" 30 times. The best example of this for GW2 is opening Black Lion Chests or Dye Packs. You can open 1,000 of these and end up with not even half the value of what you spent, while the person next to you may have received 10 times the amount you did. That is an example of risk taking. The mounts on the other hand, no matter what you would end up with all of them in a relatively short amount of tries. These licenses can't even be compared to traditional loot boxes. In all honesty, anyone complaining about these and saying they are going to quit are extreme hypocrites for tolerating BLC and dye packs. I don't like rng, but dishonesty is something I like even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikilamaru.5842 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 > @Yamazuki.6073 said: > > @"Miss Lana.5276" said: > > > @Zaklex.6308 said: > > > 2. > > > take risky action in the hope of a desired result. > > > > Yet again, thanks for clearing that up for us and proving yourself wrong! > > > > > @MarcellinoAlighieri.7194 said: > > > I am floored that there are people on here telling a recovering gambling addict the definition of gambling. > > > > I'm absolutely disgusted that there are morons that have the gall to do things like that. Preaching to the choir doesn't even begin to describe it. > > Gambling means ~~you win or~~ you [almost always] lose. These mounts are not a win or a lose. They are all equally valuable, with the personal value being nothing but opinions. Lets also not forget there is a fail safe; zero duplicates and zero substitute items. It is not risky when your chances of losing is zero or you're guaranteed your desired item after a point. When you go and gamble you can gamble or roll the dice 1,000,000,000 times and still end with less than what you had. A Casino isn't going to hand you a billion dollars when you "lose" 30 times. The best example of this for GW2 is opening Black Lion Chests or Dye Packs. You can open 1,000 of these and end up with not even half the value of what you spent, while the person next to you may have received 10 times the amount you did. That is an example of risk taking. The mounts on the other hand, no matter what you would end up with all of them in a relatively short amount of tries. > > These licenses can't even be compared to traditional loot boxes. In all honesty, anyone complaining about these and saying they are going to quit are extreme hypocrites for tolerating BLC and dye packs. I don't like rng, but dishonesty is something I like even less. well its still very much gambling and ppl are sick of the bullshit that is lootbox's. All it is a predatory cash grab since company's like anet dont view us as customers but as whales to milk cash from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PookieDaWombat.6209 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. > > You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. He's trying to make himself feel better about making devices that prey on people with an addictive personality by being overly pendantic with regard to the definition of gambling while also trying to minimize the validity of OPs comments as a recovering gambling addict. He's basically a beer maker telling the alcoholic that he knows more about the affects of alcohol on people because he ferments the stuff on the weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutra.6857 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I have a question, if slot machines always gave back 1 cent for the however much they cost (25 cents say), would you consider that gambling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikilamaru.5842 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @PookieDaWombat.6209 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > > > > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. > > > > You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. > > He's trying to make himself feel better about making devices that prey on people with an addictive personality by being overly pendantic with regard to the definition of gambling while also trying to minimize the validity of OPs comments as a recovering gambling addict. He's basically a beer maker telling the alcoholic that he knows more about the affects of alcohol on people because he ferments the stuff on the weekends. > ironically i have addictive personality myself. whats worse is lootbox target kids as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @CharterforGw.3149 said: > This isn't really gambling, I can see why you feel like it is, since it gives the same feelings of wanting to "try again". > why this isn't gambling you may wonder. You always get something, and it is never something you had before. > > gambling has a change of getting you nothing, and you only lose. Actually, you do have a chance of getting nothing. Say you do not have a particular mount (most likely the griffon) and that is what you got. Say further you had no intention of getting that mount (which, again, is more than likely the case with the griffon than the other mounts). You do not get the griffon if you get a skin for one: you 'won' a skin that can only be used if you have the base griffon unlocked. In other words, you just lost $5 and it asks if you want to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrolan.9608 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @CharterforGw.3149 said: > This isn't really gambling, I can see why you feel like it is, since it gives the same feelings of wanting to "try again". > why this isn't gambling you may wonder. You always get something, and it is never something you had before. > > gambling has a change of getting you nothing, and you only lose. That is a legal definition that doesn't reflect the addictive tendencies of gambling. In this case the OP described exactly how the gambling boxes exploited his addiction and you're telling an addict he's wrong. Like someone else said it floors me. There's also a serious lack of empathy from some posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @VaaCrow.3076 said: > > @Kheldorn.5123 said: > > > @Swagger.1459 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > I don't mean to spam, but I cross-posted this in the 2 topics that are actually about the gambling. > > > > > > > > http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/511 > > > > > > > > I petitioned them to add the "Games that encourage or teach gambling" to the PEGI rating. Because it does. > > > > > > On your mission, you obviously are ignoring the ESRB rating this game already has... > > > > > > “TEEN > > > Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.” > > > > Simulated gambling would be GTA San Andreas minigames. This is real gambling. > > this is not gambling, you pay for a box and get a unique mount skin each time, the rng is not gambling, as you will always receive a unique skin. the fact that you can't pick 1 is just a smart business addition to the box for anet. You lose nothing when you get a box, get over yourself. I don't support this lootbox idea, however if it keeps anet's coffers full i don't mind as it means more game to play! Yes, you do lose something. Say you do not have (not intend to have) the griffon unlocked. Now say the skin you got was the griffon. What did you win? The satisfaction of unlocking a skin you can never use because the thing it goes on is locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menadena.7482 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 OP, if it makes you feel any better many of us saw the problem right away and made a moral decision not to buy these loot boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGhosty.4296 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Swagger.1459 said: > I love how some of you invoke “gambling” to the argument... A skin is guaranteed to drop, and no duplicates... There is zero chance of loss here. Anet also allows players to obtain these skins for free, by allowing players to exchange gold for gems... > > This game has $0 in monthly fees, and graciously allows players to buy anything from the gemstore for free, so please take the morality and “gambling” complaints to another game that actually milks players... These vanity skin are optional too, and do not magically give a player an advantage over another player. I don't personally like to use the term gambling in relation to the mount skins. It's not that I don't feel there is an element to gambling in them and in the context of the OP extremely harmful, just that as I have seen often in this thread in others people get hung up arguing the vernacular instead of debating the core of the problem. While I get that cosmetic items may not mean much to you personally, the sheer volume of players in the game who have clearly put a lot of time into their characters for the sake of customization leads me to conclude that for many(including myself) customizing characters or getting a really cool skin as a keystone on a character in, in fact, a pretty big deal. Add in the fact that for someone who cares about such things, mounts are the new hotness and I would argue have an even larger impact on the overall customization of a character than even gliders did as they are more often visible than the gliders. The core mount skins that are on the mounts now also don't have as many dye channels which restrict user self expression(worryingly, when they were originally previewed did have multiple dye channels). It is true that having a fiery raptor doesn't magically make you better than another player, but in a game that is primarily PvE that is kind of a non argument. What is a valid part of the argument is that at best this can be described as an anti consumer decision and at worse predatory business practice that takes advantage of documented human behavior for the desired monetary result. Personally, I see these mounts as those cheap blind box collections you can buy. Each box guarantees you a collectible, though you don't know which you're going to get. From that perspective they're not so bad, but when you take into account how hard players work to get a character looking just so between weapon skins, outfits, etc this moves goes from being a novel shakeup to something that would rightfully upset consumers. In the context of the OP's stated problem, the mounts are much more in your face than black lion chests are so I could see how all the factors combined could lead to a relapse in what can be a very real problem. My heart goes out to you OP, I feel the pull of these mounts much more than I ever have with black lion chests and I don't have to deal with that addiction so I hope you are able to get some help and have a good support structure to lean on while you get back on your feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolan.5816 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Coulter.2315 said: > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > @"Manasa Devi.7958" said: > > > > > > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > > > > > > @DorDor.8617 said: > > > > > > > > People, the OP of this post is a **GAMBLING ADDICT.** I think OP knows a lot more about what constitutes gambling than the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If OP says it's gambling, I'm willing to believe them on that. So should the rest of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. I think I know a lot more about what constitutes gambling than he does. It's been my job to know for over a decade. > > > > > > > > > > > > You edit a dictionary? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. I design gambling devices that are sold all over the world. It's my job to know what gambling is. > > > > > > > > I'm convinced you're pretty savvy when it comes to the legal definition. Which isn't important to this discussion. But you know that. > > > > > > but it is important to the discussion if you want to make a change. If all you want to do is whine, then you're right it's not important. > > > > You know what's not important? Spamming the same unqualified "it's not gambling" statement all over a plea posted by a recovering gambling addict. > > You're trying to convince an alcoholic that they are drunk, which has a very commmon response in addicts, to say "oh kitten it" and go drink more. The kinder thing to do would be to explain to the gentleman that he hasn't relapsed, that the maximum the dog mount would have cost was £127.50 and he isn't going down the path he thinks he is. > > Allowing someone to believe they are "off the wagon" just to win an argument is pretty immoral. I don´t know if you ever dealt with an addict or an addiction. The internet is the absolutely last place an addict should look for qualified opinions about his condition. An addiction eats at every fiber of your being and ruins the life of people around you who expect sanity and reasoning in your being. But trust me when I say this, phobias and addictions do not follow rationality. You probably have to experience the feeling yourself when you walk anxiously around for hours waiting for your relative to hopefully come home again or when your mind is so wrecked that you do not dare to leave the house out of fear that you could come into your trigger situation again. If the OP thinks he needs help, he should in any way seek out a counselor, and if it is only to reassure him- or herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsakhi.8124 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Any addiction is easy to get back into, just ask the smokers and drinkers of the world. However, I don't see OP as relapsing, because, I believe that relapsing is akin to dropping hundreds of dollars on an impractical gamble. At the very least, they received something and did not lose all they had, as I've seen "gamblers" do. Also, I've relapsed a lot, I know it's frustrating, but just know that we all fight some form of addiction and we are all fallible. Never feel as though you've "failed" simply because you made a choice (whether it is right or wrong is up to you.) The choice doesn't reflect negatively on you as a person, at least from an outsider's view. I see you as someone that wanted something that held sentiment and decided the reward was greater than the risks. Despite this, when someone feels they have "relapsed" , it's hard to get them out of that rut. You're fine, OP; you are learning a lesson, a painful one, but you now know the consequences. I'm sorry if I sound rude or...I don't know. I am just very sympathetic towards the OP because my "addiction" was risking my life jumping off bridges and seeing if I lived or died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Yamazuki.6073 said: > > @"Miss Lana.5276" said: > > > @Zaklex.6308 said: > > > 2. > > > take risky action in the hope of a desired result. > > > > Yet again, thanks for clearing that up for us and proving yourself wrong! > > > > > @MarcellinoAlighieri.7194 said: > > > I am floored that there are people on here telling a recovering gambling addict the definition of gambling. > > > > I'm absolutely disgusted that there are morons that have the gall to do things like that. Preaching to the choir doesn't even begin to describe it. > > Gambling means ~~you win or~~ you [almost always] lose. These mounts are not a win or a lose. They are all equally valuable, with the personal value being nothing but opinions. Lets also not forget there is a fail safe; zero duplicates and zero substitute items. It is not risky when your chances of losing is zero or you're guaranteed your desired item after a point. When you go and gamble you can gamble or roll the dice 1,000,000,000 times and still end with less than what you had. A Casino isn't going to hand you a billion dollars when you "lose" 30 times. The best example of this for GW2 is opening Black Lion Chests or Dye Packs. You can open 1,000 of these and end up with not even half the value of what you spent, while the person next to you may have received 10 times the amount you did. That is an example of risk taking. The mounts on the other hand, no matter what you would end up with all of them in a relatively short amount of tries. > > These licenses can't even be compared to traditional loot boxes. In all honesty, anyone complaining about these and saying they are going to quit are extreme hypocrites for tolerating BLC and dye packs. I don't like rng, but dishonesty is something I like even less. They are not equally valuable for the simple fact that they are cosmetic items and so derive any possible value from the wildly varying subjective opinions of purchasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canakun.8031 Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Hey guys. It's insane how much conversation my post has started here. I'd like to clear a few things up regarding my story. First of all, to the person saying I should be out playing with my dog instead of trying to get a mount that resembles him, that dog is sadly no longer with me. To the rest of you, I don't think of myself as an expert on gambling or addiction or anything, really. I was just sharing my story. For me, I kept buying 'just one more' to have a roll on the reward that I wanted. It was the same feeling and the same urge that I had when using a machine at my local. Whether it is or isn't gambling to me is irrelevant. I spent money on something because there was a chance that I'd get something I wanted. That's all there is to it. Arguing the semantics doesn't really help me. And I get that people are trying to convince me that because it 'isn't TECHNICALLY gambling' I haven't actually relapsed. I appreciate the thought, but the reality is that I just opened my wallet to roll the dice. And that's what I've been recovering from. That's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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