EdgasXE.2049 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 TBH while waiting for spellbreaker nerf I actually learnt to play against them before the patch SO MAYBE ENOUGH with the nerf threads please. TBH#2 I just 123 with mirrage but I use super weird build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musu.9205 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @"rank eleven monk.9502" said: > > @Magnito.6187 said: > > Is this just me or... > > The target breaking skills everyone complains about, no one uses them? > Exactly. > > I'm 100% sure it's about the basic mesmer mechanic and not the target breaking, simply people found a new basis for complaining about clone spamming. but mirage doesn't even have clone spamming , meta build doesn't have DE , and without chrono , the only source of clone are weapon skill + sword ambush .basically 3 skills . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 So now people have something new to complain about since SB is nerfed. I think Mirage has a tad bit too many confusion stacks but holosmith seems fine. They have a very predictable rotation. The only thing I'd say is a problem is stealth, something needs to be done so that classes are visible immediately after hitting with a skill instead of a second afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Wolfric.9380 said: > no base damage on confusion and torment ..... I like this a lot actually! Leave the ticking DoT for bleeding. I know confusion used to be like this in the past, idk why it was changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musu.9205 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Razor.6392 said: > > @Wolfric.9380 said: > > no base damage on confusion and torment ..... > > I like this a lot actually! Leave the ticking DoT for bleeding. > > I know confusion used to be like this in the past, idk why it was changed. coz people complain its brokent op in pvp and broken useless in pve . that was the time no sane mes played condi build in pvp . confusion mostly came from engi . and people will complain even more with old confusion back .it used to do a lot more dmg when you use skill . it was way more punishing . but somehow you guys only remember the part which you can gain benefit from but forgot the rest part lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @musu.9205 said: > > @Razor.6392 said: > > > @Wolfric.9380 said: > > > no base damage on confusion and torment ..... > > > > I like this a lot actually! Leave the ticking DoT for bleeding. > > > > I know confusion used to be like this in the past, idk why it was changed. > > coz people complain its brokent op in pvp and broken useless in pve . that was the time no sane mes played condi build in pvp . confusion mostly came from engi . > and people will complain even more with old confusion back .it used to do a lot more dmg when you use skill . it was way more punishing . but somehow you guys only remember the part which you can gain benefit from but forgot the rest part lol > O L D _ P E R P L E X I T Y _ R U N E S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 this is what u get for half assed patches for a 3 months wait. was this every 2 weeks or maby each month it'd ba acceptable, it's not the worse patch but definately little work done for how long the wait is, this is why people aren't happy. it's because u wait 3 months. they nerf spellbreaker and rightfully so, leave condi damage untouched and there ya go. spellbreaker while still pretty good doesn't have an overwhelming presence and u learn that they were more classes hiding in the shadows with just absurd power creep. this is why i keep saying everything(bar renegade) is out of wack even if it's balanced in the meta it's in. nerf mirage and convince that for example deadeye is garbage, it gets buff and all of a sudden that justifiable 20 k burst's aren't as funny anymore, ain't it? But this is what happens. u eventually get used to the absurd because there is somethign even more ridiculous(pre nerf spellbreaker) on top and thus when isn''t on top the bells start ringing all of a sudden, u get that eureka moment. This is why never get justification for these insane damage numbers on both power and condi. Who fucking cares if holosmith is squishy(note it's not, that's some bullshit, u could even run palladins amulet on it) it's like pre-retcon beyonder getting nerfed and all of a sudden the cosmic entities are hot shit after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebcol.5984 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 The Balance is a joke right now  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwnannwn.7681 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Magnito.6187 said: > Is this just me or... > The target breaking skills everyone complains about, no one uses them? Pretty much, afaik the only big target break is also the "random shadowstep" which, lol, of course hardly anyone's going to run that in pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Wolfric.9380 said: > no base damage on confusion and torment ..... Agreed, revert confusion please. Would love to see again people explode from pressing two skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwnannwn.7681 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 If they remove the base damage on confusion and torment in PVP, it's only fair to double the damage for using skills and moving. Oh, no, right, everyone is still going to whine because they'd rather panic, run around like headless hens, and hit random buttons willy nilly in the hopes of condi cleansing. And we're back to whining about the existence of mesmer at all. The whiners won't be happy until every mesmer option hits like a wet noodle, confusion and torment do 0 damage ever, and moa turns the caster into a moa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes.4607 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Mirage just applies too many confusion stacks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rank eleven monk.9502 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 nvm ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rap Tiger.1257 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Please, this is not op, now after balancing there is no more class op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwnannwn.7681 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @mrauls.6519 said: > Mirage just applies too many confusion stacks... It's literally clearable with one cleanse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ater Boreal.8427 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I'd rather have mirage and holo than bunkers, and if you're a bunker, i'm extremely happy you die fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Grebcol.5984 said: > The Balance is a joke right now > >  > 14k Overheat? What are you? A full Glass Thief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayama.1854 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @musu.9205 said: > but mirage doesn't even have clone spamming Do you play mirage? It basicaly shitts clones out left and right if you spec for it. Im not taking part in the "is mirage OP discussion" but saying that mirage cant spam clones is just plain wrong. Deceptive Evasion gives you clones on dodge and mirage is usually specced for high dodge uptime. Self deception gives you a clone if you have already one when you use a deception skill. Jaunt is a deception skill. You can spam clones as mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musu.9205 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Mayama.1854 said: > > @musu.9205 said: > > > but mirage doesn't even have clone spamming > > Do you play mirage? It basicaly shitts clones out left and right if you spec for it. > Im not taking part in the "is mirage OP discussion" but saying that mirage cant spam clones is just plain wrong. > > Deceptive Evasion gives you clones on dodge and mirage is usually specced for high dodge uptime. > Self deception gives you a clone if you have already one when you use a deception skill. > Jaunt is a deception skill. You can spam clones as mirage. > > > only 3 skill create clones sword ambush staff 2 sword 3 meta build does not use DE meta build does not use Self deception you guys really dont even check the build before saying shit like this . shrug. and yeah im plain wrong talking to idiots with reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.4527 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @musu.9205 said: > > @Mayama.1854 said: > > > @musu.9205 said: > > > > > but mirage doesn't even have clone spamming > > > > Do you play mirage? It basicaly shitts clones out left and right if you spec for it. > > Im not taking part in the "is mirage OP discussion" but saying that mirage cant spam clones is just plain wrong. > > > > Deceptive Evasion gives you clones on dodge and mirage is usually specced for high dodge uptime. > > Self deception gives you a clone if you have already one when you use a deception skill. > > Jaunt is a deception skill. You can spam clones as mirage. > > > > > > > > only 3 skill create clones > sword ambush > staff 2 > sword 3 > meta build does not use DE > meta build does not use Self deception > > you guys really dont even check the build before saying kitten like this . > shrug. > > and yeah im plain wrong talking to idiots with reasons The meta build isn't *that* good IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musu.9205 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Abelisk.4527 said: > > @musu.9205 said: > > > @Mayama.1854 said: > > > > @musu.9205 said: > > > > > > > but mirage doesn't even have clone spamming > > > > > > Do you play mirage? It basicaly shitts clones out left and right if you spec for it. > > > Im not taking part in the "is mirage OP discussion" but saying that mirage cant spam clones is just plain wrong. > > > > > > Deceptive Evasion gives you clones on dodge and mirage is usually specced for high dodge uptime. > > > Self deception gives you a clone if you have already one when you use a deception skill. > > > Jaunt is a deception skill. You can spam clones as mirage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 3 skill create clones > > sword ambush > > staff 2 > > sword 3 > > meta build does not use DE > > meta build does not use Self deception > > > > you guys really dont even check the build before saying kitten like this . > > shrug. > > > > and yeah im plain wrong talking to idiots with reasons > > The meta build isn't *that* good IMO. then offer better one . i don't think its absolute best but there are reasons behind trait choices . back to topic you can use self deception but its not that worth in most build . you get a bit more sustain dmg but less reliable . and mirage has to pick Ineptitude for burst or DE for clone "spam " there is no build with both 20 stack of confusion burst and clone spam , since you are arguing for arguing sake ,you can get burst from HI + axe trait but seeker has a build in delay and it can be reflected , there won't be "instantly "condi bomb . and without EM , mirage literally dies to any slight condition . are we back to famous 30/30/30/30/30/30 op mes build now ?coz most stuff people complaint about mirage in this thread are from core mesmer lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebcol.5984 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @Jeknar.6184 said: > > @Grebcol.5984 said: > > The Balance is a joke right now > > > >  > > > > 14k Overheat? What are you? A full Glass Thief? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 > @mrauls.6519 said: > Holosmith is high risk, high reward. It's _balanced_ > > Condi mirage on the other hand is out of line But that is how ANet have made pve condi to kill sponges to work on pvp... low health classes.. i thnk Anet is ok with it, this a no brain game after all, just follow what is strong to farm rewards. Holo is bursty, but meh even a pve player with ranger can kill it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossun.2046 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 "carried by passive traits" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter.5631 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 hey, i can stack 20+ confusion and insta burst people, hey i have incredible mobility with sword 1 + blind + 3 lesser blinds, hey i have portal, hey im good in 1v1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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