Malediktus.9250 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 It is way too strong and a tool no other class has. As long as mesmer has portal it will always be god tier in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooka.9712 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Remove Mesmer ~~Portal~~ from PvP fixed it for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Remove ~~Mesmer Portal from~~ PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— Because I was not an _Elementalist_. Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a _Necromancer_. Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a _Revenant_. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. ~Martin Niemöller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Morwath.9817 said: > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > ~Martin Niemöller They were in need of a nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > They were in need of a nerf Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Black.8190 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I imagine the patch note. Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > I imagine the patch note. > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. Ooo, you mean "Removed Mesmer portal from the game. Blink now has range increased to 1500 from 1200 and has now 3 charges, with charge recovery rate 45 seconds. We want Mesmer to remain mobile class." Quaggan wouldn't be surprised, thats why Quaggan is against. Edit: Quagganized post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouX.8742 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Morwath.9817 said: > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > They were in need of a nerf > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > > They were in need of a nerf > > > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". > > You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. > > The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. No they weren't they listened to player tears like they always do, its why weavers got nerfed in PvE its why deathly chill got nerfed after CLEARLY NOT BEING OP FOR YEARS. You people who cry ruin games with out a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > I imagine the patch note. > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. While blinks are another mechanic that should be deleted or at least nerfed, it would still be lightyears better than portal. Portal can: - move your whole team around in no time eg to lord in foefire or between two caps that need defending - defend a point from decap without physically being there - getting out of combat when near death really fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouX.8742 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Genesis.5169 said: > > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > > > They were in need of a nerf > > > > > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > > > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". > > > > You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. > > > > The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. > > No they weren't they listened to player tears like they always do, its why weavers got nerfed in PvE its why deathly chill got nerfed after CLEARLY NOT BEING OP FOR YEARS. > > You people who cry ruin games with out a doubt. Stop blaming the people because Anet can't utilize a public testing server and shave numbers properly and know when something is broken or not broken from internal testing. This is what a balance team is for, doing the above things, it's not the peoples' fault they can't do it right and in some cases do nothing at all (see scourge PoC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Black.8190 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > > I imagine the patch note. > > > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. > While blinks are another mechanic that should be deleted or at least nerfed, it would still be lightyears better than portal. > > Portal can: > - move your whole team around in no time eg to lord in foefire or between two caps that need defending > - defend a point from decap without physically being there > - getting out of combat when near death really fast And it is supposed to do that. God forbid if the team communicates with each other. Portal is a skill that gets from utterly trash to must have depending if/how your team communicates. > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > > They were in need of a nerf > > > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". > > You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. > > The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. Diamond skill was not broken it was extreme counter to pure condition teams. It needed ~1500 damage to be disabled. If your whole team can't deal that amount of damage to one player they deserve to loose. It was problematic in a 1vs1 situation, but this game was never balanced around 1vs1 and there were/are other extremely strong 1vs1 builds. The only valid reason for the rework of deathly chill was that it didn't stack similar to the conditions prior HoT. So their was no reason to bring 2 reapers, so more a pve problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > > > I imagine the patch note. > > > > > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. > > While blinks are another mechanic that should be deleted or at least nerfed, it would still be lightyears better than portal. > > > > Portal can: > > - move your whole team around in no time eg to lord in foefire or between two caps that need defending > > - defend a point from decap without physically being there > > - getting out of combat when near death really fast > > And it is supposed to do that. God forbid if the team communicates with each other. Portal is a skill that gets from utterly trash to must have depending if/how your team communicates. > so you need to communicate for portal? maybe 1 word every once in a while. much communication, wow using it to defend a cap without being present even requires none at all people go through a lot of mental gymnastics to justify their OP skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @Morwath.9817 said: > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > ~Martin Niemöller Then they came for the _Achievement Points_, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a _Top 250 player_. Another one to be added that is 100% applicable to the person at hand, I’m also shocked people don’t understand the reference nor how it very accurately reflects the OP. Portal is fine, it’s use relies upon at least 2 people utilising it effectively if not more and it has a cool down to match its strength. I was hoping necro portal would be a little better but you can’t have everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Alim.4176 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > > They were in need of a nerf > > > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". > > You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. > > The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. ANet is not like ZOS, CCP, Square Enix, and others. ANet can't be bother to afford a PTS like the names I've mentioned. But F2P model games never really did. Enjoy the cash shop guys. You want to play games that actually have mass testing environments. You are going to have to leave the F2P realm, and start coughing up money for that type of quality assurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooglese.4860 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I don't think portal needs to go. It's been in the game since launch and it's the one of the only skills in the games that can swing a game when used right... I think Mirage's sword lunge makes it too easy rn, and is more the problem than portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > I imagine the patch note. > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. > @Morwath.9817 said: > > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > > I imagine the patch note. > > > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. > > Ooo, you mean "Removed Mesmer portal from the game. Blink now has range increased to 1500 from 1200 and has now 3 charges, with charge recovery rate 45 seconds. We want Mesmer to remain mobile class." Quaggan wouldn't be surprised, thats why Quaggan is against. > > Edit: Quagganized post. lol, yes please! xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithilwen.1529 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Mesmer portal is our very last and final mechanic. It's on a 72 second cool down. **This is a learn to play issue.** Portal does no damage, in contrast to Sand Swell and it's already rather heavily nerfed. My impression is that there is a general hatred of Mesmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDudisx.5914 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 > @"Crystal Black.8190" said: > I imagine the patch note. > > Removed mesmer portal from the game. Increased blink range to 1500 to compensate for the mobility loss. Would be good for roaming mesmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynz.9437 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Portal is fine (and i am not a mesmer player), it always has been there, part of core and gives the class its niche (not to mention, it separates crappy mes vs good mes). Other mechanics should be looked at if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 > @Malediktus.9250 said: > It is way too strong and a tool no other class has. As long as mesmer has portal it will always be god tier in pvp. > @Shooka.9712 said: > Remove Mesmer ~~Portal~~ from PvP > > fixed it for ya > @Razor.6392 said: > Remove ~~Mesmer Portal from~~ PvP lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R E F L H E X.8413 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Portal and blink help them get to the fight but once they get there they make less of an impact which really bothers me to even have it on my bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovu.7560 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 > @Malediktus.9250 said: > **Remove Mesmer Portal from PvP** > @Shooka.9712 said: > Remove Mesmer ~~Portal~~ from PvP > > fixed it for ya > @Razor.6392 said: > Remove ~~Mesmer Portal from~~ PvP I chuckled. This thread made my day. =) ~ Kovu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilyanna.9361 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > @Genesis.5169 said: > > > @ZhouX.8742 said: > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > > @Malediktus.9250 said: > > > > > > @Morwath.9817 said: > > > > > > First they came for the _Diamond Skin_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > > Because I was not an _Elementalist_. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Deathly Chill_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > > Because I was not a _Necromancer_. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for the _Ventari Healers_, and I did not speak out— > > > > > > Because I was not a _Revenant_. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Martin Niemöller > > > > > They were in need of a nerf > > > > > > > > Maybe, but the way 'nerf' happened, was exacly same as you suggested to do with Mesmer Portal. > > > > Both Diamond Skin and Deathly Chill were unique mechanics, which got 'removed' and replaced with something "similar". > > > > > > You'll blame the player base instead of how Anet balances based on testing internally, never utilize a public testing server to gauge shave changes and react based on public testing . That's cool. > > > > > > The reality is, they were broken mechanics, it's not the playerbase's fault that Anet cannot balance and shave properly. > > > > No they weren't they listened to player tears like they always do, its why weavers got nerfed in PvE its why deathly chill got nerfed after CLEARLY NOT BEING OP FOR YEARS. > > > > You people who cry ruin games with out a doubt. > > Stop blaming the people because Anet can't utilize a public testing server and shave numbers properly and know when something is broken or not broken from internal testing. > > This is what a balance team is for, doing the above things, it's not the peoples' fault they can't do it right and in some cases do nothing at all (see scourge PoC) No we are going to blame the whiners because they /are/ the reason like specs or classes like ele and rev are in the damn trashbins right now. Waaaah, Diamond skin too stronk because we can't get our condi cheese out. Waaah. Anet-senpai nerf please so we can do op damage and make ourselves look ultra special good. We don't need no meanie support, when all we need is damage. Give me a damn break. I've never seen a community attack the support builds more than the damage builds. That's one of the many reasons why this mode is trash right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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