Cynz.9437

> @"Khalisto.5780" said: > if at least they buffed something to make up for it You are kidding, right? You actually expect compensation? Seriously? After they have been nerf hammer every other class WITHOUT any compensation? LOL. Mannnn, i want to save your comment so next time there is 1000th thread crying for stealth removal i can show this.

> @"Falan.1839" said: > > @"Flumek.9043" said: > > While im a necro 1trick since launch and its the game I enjoyed, > > I doubt how long it would last. It was very punishing , 1-shoty and very "proc" based. > > > > Air + fire sigil + dhuumfire = 3k dmg on a power necro attack thats meant to do 500 dmg. > > Add spinal shivers and I can already remember how a duel against the average sizer looked: > > > > hit for 3k with procs > > dodge > > doge > > swap to dagger, land 2x autos > > doge > > doge > > swap shroud > > doge > > evade > > dodge > > land shroud auto 4k , air 1k , fire 1k , spinal 4k > > sizer ded, me 3hp. > > > > Its a good equal matchup betweem 2 glass builds, but only cz both builds have unfair mechanics. > > So if you remove 1 stupid thing , which you 99% will have to, lets say the fire air procks , you then need to make necros actual weapon more reliable. > > At that point, youre already playing something closer to HOT than vanilla gw2. > > Don't disturb people rose tinted nostalgia with actual facts about the gameplay back then. > > PvP has always had it's share of kitten mechanics (beside a lot of very cool and skillbased ones, to be fair). At least Lich was kitten zapping people with AA spam in 2014 and is kitten zapping people with AA spam in 2021, so we've gone full circle on that. > > Otherwise, I'd rather have the current meta improved than going back in time, despite all the fun I had on cele rifle. There was less of "having everything" and more of "risk/reward". I honestly miss it. And i am well aware we will never see it again (too many things changed). So give me my rose tinted glasses back while i am mashing my keys... in a raid and not pvp :(

> @"Jugglemonkey.8741" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > It'd be funny if everyone switched to DH and relied on other sources for support. Can you imagine the meta *hell* of zergs with ~15-20 trappers dumping spinning swords everywhere? Oh look an enemy zerg lets pu**FWOOOMP** *25 people instantly died from traps the enemy zerg already has off cooldown*. > > I would love to see that happen at least once tho. Same for a group of 25 Deadeyes all using mark with mug, improv, sleight of hand and collateral damage all traited, all on a single target xD Reminds me of necro runs. Can be fun, realistically rather 1-2 time occurrence.

Welcome to the club, you may take a seat next to mirage and teef :) Yes, i know, i am bitter. Jokes aside, i think the changes would be less tragic (at least from your view, OP) if necro and DH saw some adjustments (please don't bring up nova lol).

I will be just really really subjective and selfish here (because being objective is pointless anyway, only very few care about risk/reward and fair gameplay): - they didn't nerf teef -> whew O_o' - they nerfed other classes -> indirect, slight buff to teef -> wee O.o - DH bug got supposedly fixed -> yay O_O? - DH/trapper runes weren't touched -> yikes :s

I actually have another suggestion: give it additional party quickness or alac in pve only. That might open new opportunities for thief in raids/fractals.

I have to agree with OP. This was my experience on thief as well. No matter what build i run or how much i contribute i just get laughed at and mobbed by the zergs from my own server. Usually you don't even get chance to do anything - you just get instantly kicked because the truth is, every other class does everything better that thief could potentially offer to the zerg. So at the end we are either pigeonholed into roaming which end up in 1000 wvw threads asking to delete thief (yeah, how dare a class that was forced into roaming and build for it actually kill someone) or reroll something else. I personally NEVER got trashtalked by the zerg when i played other classes, NO matter how crappy i played. If however Anet support did their job then half of the wvw population from my server would be probably banned given how much i was griefed by them simply for playing thief.

Any time. For leveling just look for social kind of guild with XP boost preferably. As far as end game content goes: it depends what you want to do. If you want to do fractals or raids, look for guilds that do trainings (very important or you won't get anywhere) and daily runs. If you want to do WvW (big scale server vs server pvp) look for guilds that focus on that kind of activity. If you want to pvp: having a guild there is not necessary but can be nice if you want to do automated tournaments. I would suggest to look on pvp forums for those. Also, rather then asking for guild in the starting zone rather look for one either in major cities (e.g. Lion's Arch or Divinity's Reach) or in dedicated forum section.

> @"Shao.7236" said: > > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > > > @"FrownyClown.8402" said: > > > What makes it op on DH but not on a ranger? Dunno just seems that the problem isn't the rune. A 10 ICD is a fair adjustment. > > > > It did make ranger OP until they nerfed their traps (I can garantee you that the build was very effective, trap ranger used to be nigh uncatchable). It also did make thiefs OP until they nerfed their trap (Same here a super effective build, even more effective than the ranger's in fact, I mean, the thief wasn't even revealed when it's traps were triggered and it's foes litterally melted without even seeing it's shadow)... It even somehow led the devs to change thieves trap into preparations to be more thorough. I'm sure DH traps can be nerfed to the ground as well so that the runeset don't make them OP anymore but do the playerbase want that? > > > > Stealth is just to strong on a runeset (even as a base ability for a profession it tend to make players argue that it's to strong). New e-specs are coming in a few month, if any of them get traps, it will be just a question of time before players come here ask for a nerf of this runeset. > > How would you nerf DH traps though, they're balanced right now. It's only the "trap" attribute that makes them even considered for use, Dragon Maw would be the only trap ever used otherwise if it wasn't for the Rune on Condition damage. > > SoJ is where all the damage comes from and if we're talking Power, Scepter skill 2 is a much bigger issue right now as it stands it's actually stronger in PvP than WvW or PvE. (No wonder it's being used so much in favor of anything else.) I have faith in Anet nerfing skills: something along the line "added 300 sec CD" lol. You know, the usual type of "balance".

> @"FrownyClown.8402" said: > What makes it op on DH but not on a ranger? Dunno just seems that the problem isn't the rune. A 10 ICD is a fair adjustment. Ranger traps got nerfed. Thief traps got removed completely. An immobile class that is definitely designed around NOT having stealth by all means (abundance of blocks, heal, regen, aegis, condi cleanse, team support, some hard cc and invuls) got really easy access not only to stealth but also superspeed - what could go wrong %D You guys may defend this all you want eventually thanks to this rune DH, not the rune, but DH will be nerfed, just other classes did because of this rune. I wonder though if you really will enjoy it. Remember how mesmers defended mirage on launch instead of admitting that EM was too good and giving constructive feedback? Yeah. Look where mirage is now.

> @"Brokensunday.4098" said: > I have seen matches with 6 necros 4 thief 6 revs so whats the point of this thread? > Probably because we see multiple guards and necros (with some sprinkle of wars, ranger and revs) every match and your situation is like 1 out of 100 during off hours when barely anyone plays so matchmaking has to compromise.

Devs (playing guards, ironically) call it "balance"~

> @"cyberzombie.7348" said: > It mostly depends on what build I'm on but here's my general ranking > > 1. Healing seed: Free regen even if I'm not in the aoe and when I am, I spam combo finishers to help facetank or heal others. > 2. Whirling axe: Although the damage is point blank its devastating to be hit by it. Plus I can use it defensively with a smoke field along with reflecting shots. > 3. Gunk: I never used it at first but I learned the ethereal field is pretty useful to get chaos armor since it can grant protection and regen if hit, while giving out confusion on projectile finishers. > 4. Blinding tuft: Free blind and invis. > 5. Plasma: Although its a completely selfish skill, its a life saver at times with the defensive boons it gives. > 6. Essence Sap: It's good for extra damage and slow if I have enough cc to consistently interrupt > 7. Mace: Its a good cc and even better with mesmer runes but its telegraphed, point blank, and negated by stability so hitting someone with it feels like a craps shoot. > 8. Ice shard: Much like the mace its good when it hits but its telegraphed and point blank although the deadeye variant is much more reliable. > 9. Skull fear: It's good in conjunction with other soft like cripple or chill but unless I have full fear duration and time to cast it, it's a really situational skill. Your lists nearly matches mine. I would add that i like condi cleanse from healing seed - REALLY useful when burning guards and necros are in dominating pvp.

> @"Infusion.7149" said: > I'd rather it always give quickness in PvE , with a negligible duration in PVP/WVW (1/4 second?). That would make boon daredevil relevant outside of a few select raids. Please no, the boon strip has its uses in PVE as well (e.g. bounties).

Did ATs yesterday and also have seen this in ranked. Multiple players on team just DC. Also, i am not sure wether it has something to do with ATs but we couldn't decap/cap point even though nobody from enemy team was standing on it.

I don't think it is bad idea however, as posted before, with daily reset and only applies to some drops/ (reduced?) gold so we don't have LI/KPs inflation - that would make it impossible for newer players to ever get into raids.

> @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said: > > In a recent random sample of 100,000 matches, we found that in approximately 95% of matches, the difference between the average skill rating of each team was less than 50 points. The matchmaker is doing a good job in most cases. > Which really doesnt matter, because the scoring system is still kitten up. Its the primary reason people quit sPvP - its been the reason ever since ranked was added. People can whine over classes on the forum all day long, if the mode itself is kitten it doesn't matter. > > You can have a *good match* that was a hard fight between equally skilled opponents and... loose so much points its unrecoverable unless you win the next 3 matches in a row. Given that many won't even run that many matches in a row if they are into more casual PvP, whats even the point of **trying**? **Loose 2-500 or loose 498-500, same thing the game says you suck heres equal penalties for it**. That is actually my experience. Even worse, you lose something like 50-500 and lose even more points than your 498-500 loss which still blows my mind. But i am at the point where i just don't care. I do my 1-3 matches a day and go pve. PvP is a joke in this game.

> @"Filip.7463" said: > > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > @"Filip.7463" said: > > > > @"Kachros.4751" said: > > > > > @"Filip.7463" said: > > > > > > @"Cynz.9437" said: > > > > > > I can somehow buy why DD or even DE could somehow "deserve" mobility shave (then again in the grand scheme of things it is questionable but it is topic for other discussion) HOWEVER there is absolutely no excuse for core thief mobility/resources to be hurt this badly. So my suggestion is, as long as elite spec is **not** equipped the Infiltrator's Arrow costs are reduced in pvp. > > > > > > > > > > What is the big difference between core and dd, that core should need buff mobility? > > > > > > > > Core doesnt have 3 dodges, or perma swiftness, and overall always did less than DD in every aspect, id like core to keep the initiative from before the nerf if condi thief was slightly changed since its still quite unhealthy. > > > > > > Why do u need perma swiftness while u have perma teleport? > > > > DD doesnt have perma TP, even if its not massive the perma swiftness is really good which barely any class can have, adding that onto the rest it made DDs mobility unmatchable, im jus comparing the 2 specs. > > Sb5 is like perma tp > Also, nearly all other classes have perma swiftness, except necro. SB5 is not perma TP. The only thing that has perma TP in this game is hackers. SB5 even before nerf was rather costly spell that is why it was mostly used to decaps and nothing else. Your typical core thief build does not have perma swiftness. You get swiftness on steal (10sec on 25 sec CD; using which for swiftness would be absolute waste given it has high opportunity costs) and on consume plasma (assuming your stole one from mesmer). That is hardly perma swiftness. Before xpac many used inf. signet however since everything got bloated with condis you just can't have such luxury anymore. You could technically build for perma swiftness but you would be afk'ing at spawn with such build. > @"apharma.3741" said: > Theif has always been the most mobile class in the game to the point it's been detrimental to the class as it cannot be this mobile and have winning match ups all over. Infiltrators arrow is 5 years too late in it's nerf but this is not how I would have done it. > >**Take a page from revenant and add small 2-5s cool downs on weapon abilities, reduce the ini cost so you're not ini starved but likewise can't use every skill without thought.** If this game has made anything apparent it is that back to back same skill usage has always been a problem when the skills are good, we see this on mesmer, rev, thief and other classes that had reset mechanics. > > Mobility on other classes does need to be toned down a bit, when you can use 2 skills and get to the next node in 3s it's a bit much if you also enjoy very good 1v1 capabilites. This has been discussed many times. Thing is, sure, they could do it however they would need to buff thief spells for it because many of them are absolutely lackluster on their own. I am not sure it would go so well. Also, i would like to disagree with "without thought" statement. Using every skill without thought on thief means dead thief. Please don't reflect your gameplay on other players. > @"apharma.3741" said: > Theif has always been the most mobile class in the game to the point it's been detrimental to the class as it cannot be this mobile and have winning match ups all over. Infiltrators arrow is 5 years too late in it's nerf but this is not how I would have done it. > > Take a page from revenant and add small 2-5s cool downs on weapon abilities, reduce the ini cost so you're not ini starved but likewise can't use every skill without thought. If this game has made anything apparent it is that back to back same skill usage has always been a problem when the skills are good, we see this on mesmer, rev, thief and other classes that had reset mechanics. > > Mobility on other classes does need to be toned down a bit, when you can use 2 skills and get to the next node in 3s it's a bit much if you also enjoy very good 1v1 capabilites. > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @"ollbirtan.2915" said: > > Please, nerf teeef. Thank you! > > This unironically, take stealth next. > > > @"Cynz.9437" said: > > I can somehow buy why DD or even DE could somehow "deserve" mobility shave (then again in the grand scheme of things it is questionable but it is topic for other discussion) HOWEVER there is absolutely no excuse for core thief mobility/resources to be hurt this badly. So my suggestion is, as long as elite spec is **not** equipped the Infiltrator's Arrow costs are reduced in pvp. > > This is right but I want to be nerfed so hard playing the class actively sandbags my team. You can already do it by playing core :P Join me :)

Which mode?

> @"TheQuickFox.3826" said: > Getting in tournament is not so hard but getting any wins with a silver ranked team is. I entered eight tournaments, of which more than half of them resulted in all losing matches. I'm at 4/20 now. I wish this would be a little more accessible to lower skilled teams. Being paired against a team of platinums and losing with 5 against 500 is a bit discouraging. It would be nice if there were more options to progress the Emblem of Tournament victory in a more level playing field. It will be a long hard grind this way. > > Edit: 25% (5/20) Problem is, population is too low. Not many do ATs. I understand your struggle, i really do (I myself don't really have a team to do ATs with) but Transcendence is an optional Legendary, it is not supposed to be easy to get.

OP, if you sacrifice huge potion of your survivability and damage - sure. Otherwise plenty was said in this thread why your suggestion is not so great.

@Mods can you please move it to bugs sections. Idk how this post ended here.

> @"megilandil.7506" said: > > @"Cynz.9437" said: > > > @"asterix.9614" said: > > > No for pvp, yes for wvw, and I mean a big kitten > > > ██╗░░░██╗███████╗░██████╗ > > > ╚██╗░██╔╝██╔════╝██╔════╝ > > > ░╚████╔╝░█████╗░░╚█████╗░ > > > ░░╚██╔╝░░██╔══╝░░░╚═══██╗ > > > ░░░██║░░░███████╗██████╔╝ > > > ░░░╚═╝░░░╚══════╝╚═════╝░FOR WVW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Also please remove clone/phantasm generation, virtrues, invuls, stances, kits, pets and all the things that annoy us from WvW - it would make combat soooo enjoyable, rite? > > stealth spam in wvw in a free space with "no objectives" makes thief gankers 0 risk spec(if the enemy is worse than you is a free kill if is aprox equal to you spam stealth/disengage until enemy is bored and make a mistake, if better just spam and run), stealth and free disengage only is balanced in pvp because objectives(if you make the thief retreat is a victory you get a few ticks more from the capture point) 0 risk is being bunker guard running in full zerg. Now even objectives are giving you free reveal - what else do you need? Free bags from thief? Thief engaging an enemy is never a 0 risk unless you farm uplevels and let's be honest it is 0 risk for anyone then. If you want to kill thieves in wvw either don't leave objectives or bring reveal. Oh yeah, pain target is also there. Thieves in wvw build for roaming and let me guess you complain that you can't kill them with your zerg gear, right? Also, this is pvp forums. WvW is kind of irrelevant here.

> @"Crackers.9628" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > >  > > > > Because they are. > > Ranger and thieves. They just attract a kind of people. Please talk for yourself. I never trashtalk people nor tbag them yet i have been trashtalked countless times as a thief and even reported for simply existing or (OMG HOW DARE I) when running away from outnumbered situation. Funny enough when i play other classes nobody does it to me however i get to see how extremely toxic the squads are to the thieves that join them or just pass by, even if those thieves actually try to help and work as recon. Toxic people will be always toxic, no matter what class they play. I have been playing this game pretty much since launch, surely it is common for pvp similar environment to be toxic BUT WvW community in this game actually got worse over the years. In vanilla people worked together despite the class. Now people just trashtalk (for the lack of better pc word) anyone who doesn't fit their agenda (aka play zerg meta). It feels like it has become some kind of sport - who can trashtalk a thief more. You guys seriously should look at yourself before you just label every thief player as toxic waste.

> @"Filip.7463" said: > > @"Shaogin.2679" said: > > > @"Filip.7463" said: > > > > @"Shaogin.2679" said: > > > > > @"snoow.1694" said: > > > > > This is why posting in the PvP forum should be allowed only for Plat players and above. What a nonsense thread > > > > > > > > > @"Filip.7463" said: > > > > > Give that guy a medal. I completely agree. > > > > > > > > > > U can leave match immediately after end, so you dont see winners laughing at you. > > > > > > > > > > Let the winners of mat have some fun with plebs down there. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you both missed the part where OP said they finish seasons in Plat? > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > > > One season I could be bronze, except the system brings me into gold, and then ill finish a season in platinum. > > > > > > > > So either there is an issue with the system, or you two should actually listen to Crab Fear because they are one of your Plat players. > > > > > > He said he finishes in p1 but he belongs to bronze > > > > > > I say i finish season in p2 but i belong to lege3. > > > > > > Complete nonsense, isnt it? > > > > Not really, point still stands. He finishes in Plat, therefore he is a Plat player by the game's standards. You two say that only Plat players should be allowed to post in the PvP forums. > > Ye but still eliminates most of stupid posts, i mean DH DH DH DH DH DH DH DH DH DH, TRAPPER RUNE TRAPPER RUNE TRAPPER RUNE TRAPPER RUNE, BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN... Tbh, i do think trapper rune needs a rework and i have been in plat/legend in multiple seasons on 2 accounts (when i do pvp; one of the accounts doesn't even have xpacs) if it counts for anything.