Wandering Mist.2973 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I've been told to look at https://qtfy.eu/ for builds and I notice there is no guardian support build. Does that mean that Guardian support isn't viable at all? Or only in very specific circumstances? If I look at the builds on the website, my options are basically Firebrand Condi or DH Power. Can anyone shed some light on this and explain why a more support-orientated build isn't considered viable right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi.1398 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Look on https://metabattle.com/wiki/Guardian instead - you may notice support firebrand is a wvw build (and i believe also viable for pvp?) Qtfy, from what i'm aware of, only presents raid/fractal meta. Unless you're looking for raid and high teir frac builds, in which case im too much of a noob to enlighten you. Though one thing i do know is that a guardian can't heal as much as a druid, and doesn't provide the quickness/alacrity of a chrono that make both of those things such good supports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi.1398 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (oops accidentally double posted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvyn.4750 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 In WvW, it's completely viable. Metabattle's support FB is pretty close to what we run in WvW, and it works because FB also provides lots of stability, which is key in WvW, along with other boons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It's viable. Everything is viable. Doesn't mean it's "meta" or others professions can't do better. But... FB Support/heal is a really good package, really good heal and sustain (like overheal a necro vitality, like a druid, like [this](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/183846#Comment_183846 "https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/183846#Comment_183846")), lot of aegis/blocks that prevent heal, lot of anti-proj, easy condi-cleanse, perma quickness. On the other hand it's true you stand between the chrono and the druid, doing parts of both but an optimised group still would like the others parts (spirits, 10% dps, alacrity, distorsion, CC...) So it's a Balance, will you take a FB and free slot for a DPS or Chrono+druid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 > @Sylvyn.4750 said: > In WvW, it's completely viable. Metabattle's support FB is pretty close to what we run in WvW, and it works because FB also provides lots of stability, which is key in WvW, along with other boons. That's good to know, but what about high level PvE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojimaru.8970 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > I've been told to look at https://qtfy.eu/ for builds and I notice there is no guardian support build. Does that mean that Guardian support isn't viable at all? Or only in very specific circumstances? If I look at the builds on the website, my options are basically Firebrand Condi or DH Power. Can anyone shed some light on this and explain why a more support-orientated build isn't considered viable right now? qT's guides and builds are catered towards speed clears of raids, which means they are only concerned with a very small subset of builds. I have a Seraph support build that I'm still tweaking. With the 99.73% Quickness duration (which the game rounds up to 100%), I am able to maintain about 100% Quickness uptime. However, the ability to apply the same amount to party members can be tricky in T4 Fractals due to the prevalence of Social Awkwardness (which means players--especially PUGs--instinctually scatter to the four winds). Otherwise, I have access to a lot of utility from my Tomes, and about 1k outgoing heals every ~0.5 s. What my build lacks right now is strong Defiance Bar breaks, which is why I'm considering adding a Hammer to my secondary weapon set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Ojimaru.8970 said: > > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > I've been told to look at https://qtfy.eu/ for builds and I notice there is no guardian support build. Does that mean that Guardian support isn't viable at all? Or only in very specific circumstances? If I look at the builds on the website, my options are basically Firebrand Condi or DH Power. Can anyone shed some light on this and explain why a more support-orientated build isn't considered viable right now? > > qT's guides and builds are catered towards speed clears of raids, which means they are only concerned with a very small subset of builds. > > I have a Seraph support build that I'm still tweaking. With the 99.73% Quickness duration (which the game rounds up to 100%), I am able to maintain about 100% Quickness uptime. However, the ability to apply the same amount to party members can be tricky in T4 Fractals due to the prevalence of Social Awkwardness (which means players--especially PUGs--instinctually scatter to the four winds). Otherwise, I have access to a lot of utility from my Tomes, and about 1k outgoing heals every ~0.5 s. What my build lacks right now is strong Defiance Bar breaks, which is why I'm considering adding a Hammer to my secondary weapon set. I see. That makes sense. What traits and weapons do you take with your seraph build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thani.8569 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I highly prefer Frontline FB with Celestial than Support FB with Minstrel. Check it also. Less healing but more offensives capabilities. Way more useful in small scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Thani.8569 said: > I highly prefer Frontline FB with Celestial than Support FB with Minstrel. Check it also. > Less healing but more offensives capabilities. Way more useful in small scale. Hmm ok. What's the reasoning behind Celestrial? Also what weapons do you use for that (I'm guessing mace/shield + hammer)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thani.8569 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Celestial is a good balance for the tools guardian has. It gives correct survivability, correct healing (for tome, evades and altruistic healing eventually), correct condi and power damage (for hammer or tome), etc. I use the metabattle build wich is great. I'm playing hammer with Honor or staff with Valor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Even dh shout support with SW bow of truth is viable :| /runs away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojimaru.8970 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > @Ojimaru.8970 said: > > > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > > I've been told to look at https://qtfy.eu/ for builds and I notice there is no guardian support build. Does that mean that Guardian support isn't viable at all? Or only in very specific circumstances? If I look at the builds on the website, my options are basically Firebrand Condi or DH Power. Can anyone shed some light on this and explain why a more support-orientated build isn't considered viable right now? > > > > qT's guides and builds are catered towards speed clears of raids, which means they are only concerned with a very small subset of builds. > > > > I have a Seraph support build that I'm still tweaking. With the 99.73% Quickness duration (which the game rounds up to 100%), I am able to maintain about 100% Quickness uptime. However, the ability to apply the same amount to party members can be tricky in T4 Fractals due to the prevalence of Social Awkwardness (which means players--especially PUGs--instinctually scatter to the four winds). Otherwise, I have access to a lot of utility from my Tomes, and about 1k outgoing heals every ~0.5 s. What my build lacks right now is strong Defiance Bar breaks, which is why I'm considering adding a Hammer to my secondary weapon set. > > I see. That makes sense. What traits and weapons do you take with your seraph build? This is the [build](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRApf5ensADFBjdBDmBBEEhF/BbviuRHpYjgyzeyKAUBqTA-jBiAQBA4JA4T9DCVpHQV/ZoKBt5+D97kAQWlBkCgnFAA-e) I'm currently testing in T4 Fractals. Outside of Fractals, I switch out Empowering Might for Honorable Staff to reach 99.7% Quickness duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox.8962 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I run [this](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQJArensADFBjNCDeCBEEhF+BbPj+RPpZToM0PALAMDKCA-jFChABU+AA27EAaBwWVjFVLxZdAbq8Dg9HOXJ49gAgJAsqSVVVJFgfLAA-w) for fractals and raids. It does pretty significant healing, makes perma quickness, perma fury and about 15-20 might pretty easily. It also has regen and prot with nearly 100% uptime and can provide access to every single boon in the game if needed. It doesn't do a ton of damage, but it covers the vast majority of anything you need from support specs in one neat little package. The last utility skill can be swapped to just about anything based on the needs of the fight. You can take a 50% uptime reflect with the wall of reflection, or group stability or whatever else you may need for a particular fight. In my static, we have tried running that in a subsquad with 4 DPS who don't rely heavily on alacrity (Mirage, Renegade, Thief, Power Holo) and have gotten good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvyn.4750 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > @Sylvyn.4750 said: > > In WvW, it's completely viable. Metabattle's support FB is pretty close to what we run in WvW, and it works because FB also provides lots of stability, which is key in WvW, along with other boons. > > That's good to know, but what about high level PvE? Sorry...I don't do fractals/raids...just WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Mist.2973 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 > @Knox.8962 said: > I run [this](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQJArensADFBjNCDeCBEEhF+BbPj+RPpZToM0PALAMDKCA-jFChABU+AA27EAaBwWVjFVLxZdAbq8Dg9HOXJ49gAgJAsqSVVVJFgfLAA-w) for fractals and raids. It does pretty significant healing, makes perma quickness, perma fury and about 15-20 might pretty easily. It also has regen and prot with nearly 100% uptime and can provide access to every single boon in the game if needed. > > It doesn't do a ton of damage, but it covers the vast majority of anything you need from support specs in one neat little package. > > The last utility skill can be swapped to just about anything based on the needs of the fight. You can take a 50% uptime reflect with the wall of reflection, or group stability or whatever else you may need for a particular fight. > > In my static, we have tried running that in a subsquad with 4 DPS who don't rely heavily on alacrity (Mirage, Renegade, Thief, Power Holo) and have gotten good results. That looks interesting. Why scepter though instead of mace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacher.9526 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 It can do it just not as well as some other classes. For high end pve that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knox.8962 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 > @"Wandering Mist.2973" said: > > @Knox.8962 said: > > I run [this](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQJArensADFBjNCDeCBEEhF+BbPj+RPpZToM0PALAMDKCA-jFChABU+AA27EAaBwWVjFVLxZdAbq8Dg9HOXJ49gAgJAsqSVVVJFgfLAA-w) for fractals and raids. It does pretty significant healing, makes perma quickness, perma fury and about 15-20 might pretty easily. It also has regen and prot with nearly 100% uptime and can provide access to every single boon in the game if needed. > > > > It doesn't do a ton of damage, but it covers the vast majority of anything you need from support specs in one neat little package. > > > > The last utility skill can be swapped to just about anything based on the needs of the fight. You can take a 50% uptime reflect with the wall of reflection, or group stability or whatever else you may need for a particular fight. > > > > In my static, we have tried running that in a subsquad with 4 DPS who don't rely heavily on alacrity (Mirage, Renegade, Thief, Power Holo) and have gotten good results. > > That looks interesting. Why scepter though instead of mace? Scepter for the might stacking and ability to do some ranged support. The mace is nice and useful for max healing output, but the regen and prot are largely covered already, so the scepter doesn't give up a ton of support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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