JustTrogdor.7892 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Ardid.7203" said: > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > @"IndigoSundown.5419" said: > > > As of this moment, 2 respondents 80+. Rock on, older folks! > > > > > @"Rpgtabbycat.5869" said: > > >Also surprised by the number of pre-teens. I thought that count would be 0. > > > > Most likely people just goofing around that selected those options as there is no way to validate how honest the voters are. If you subtract the results from the first two age range options and the last two you will probably get a more accurate distribution as far as forum members that voted. > > > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/7y7hbpjm.jpg) > > Doesn't that would be just arbitrary? Why would someone do that just because "there is no way to validate how honest the voters are"? > There is a thread with a lot of old people talking about their physical problems just in the first page. IMO they very well could be the ones voting here. I already mentioned why. Just to goof with the poll. I seriously doubt there are many GW2 players over the age of 80 (if at all) and players age 9 and younger that voted here. A 9 year old would have been around 4 years old when GW2 launched. Think about it. I'll be honest, I voted 80 and over just because I find these polls pointless. :smiley: It seems like since the new forum was created people like to create polls just because they can. I think the poll option should be disabled for forum members and only available to Anet staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taygus.4571 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > @"Ardid.7203" said: > > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > > @"IndigoSundown.5419" said: > > > > As of this moment, 2 respondents 80+. Rock on, older folks! > > > > > > > @"Rpgtabbycat.5869" said: > > > >Also surprised by the number of pre-teens. I thought that count would be 0. > > > > > > Most likely people just goofing around that selected those options as there is no way to validate how honest the voters are. If you subtract the results from the first two age range options and the last two you will probably get a more accurate distribution as far as forum members that voted. > > > > > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/7y7hbpjm.jpg) > > > > Doesn't that would be just arbitrary? Why would someone do that just because "there is no way to validate how honest the voters are"? > > There is a thread with a lot of old people talking about their physical problems just in the first page. IMO they very well could be the ones voting here. > > I already mentioned why. Just to goof with the poll. I seriously doubt there are many GW2 players over the age of 80 (if at all) and players age 9 and younger that voted here. A 9 year old would have been around 4 years old when GW2 launched. Think about it. I'll be honest, I voted 80 and over just because I find these polls pointless. :smiley: > > It seems like since the new forum was created people like to create polls just because they can. I think the poll option should be disabled for forum members and only available to Anet staff. > > Polls are fun tho. And in every survey, there's a margin of error...not only because of the demographic reached but also because there's always a few people who post false answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTrogdor.7892 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Taygus.4571" said: > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > @"Ardid.7203" said: > > > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > > > @"IndigoSundown.5419" said: > > > > > As of this moment, 2 respondents 80+. Rock on, older folks! > > > > > > > > > @"Rpgtabbycat.5869" said: > > > > >Also surprised by the number of pre-teens. I thought that count would be 0. > > > > > > > > Most likely people just goofing around that selected those options as there is no way to validate how honest the voters are. If you subtract the results from the first two age range options and the last two you will probably get a more accurate distribution as far as forum members that voted. > > > > > > > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/7y7hbpjm.jpg) > > > > > > Doesn't that would be just arbitrary? Why would someone do that just because "there is no way to validate how honest the voters are"? > > > There is a thread with a lot of old people talking about their physical problems just in the first page. IMO they very well could be the ones voting here. > > > > I already mentioned why. Just to goof with the poll. I seriously doubt there are many GW2 players over the age of 80 (if at all) and players age 9 and younger that voted here. A 9 year old would have been around 4 years old when GW2 launched. Think about it. I'll be honest, I voted 80 and over just because I find these polls pointless. :smiley: > > > > It seems like since the new forum was created people like to create polls just because they can. I think the poll option should be disabled for forum members and only available to Anet staff. > > > > > > And in every survey, there's a margin of error...not only because of the demographic reached but also because there's always a few people who post false answers. > Which was the point I was making from the start. :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenom.9457 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 There are people under 10 playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTrogdor.7892 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Fenom.9457" said: > There are people under 10 playing? Only if you believe every forum member that voted answered honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayne.8563 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > Age in most cases, but not all, does affect dexterity. But more than that, it affects stamina and focus, at least in my case. However, since most people don't raid or competitively PvP or WvW, what does it matter? > > > > I'll be 56 soon and I'm part of the first generation that grew up on video games (admittedly a faint shadow of what they have become today). I'm not going to stop playing just because I'm not interested in killing myself raiding. There's plenty of stuff in this game for a guy like me to do. > > > > The builds I tend to make aren't meta builds, but they're more fire and forget builds. Phantasm builds on a chronomancer, for example, rather than a shatter build. I still shatter when I can resummon 2 phantasms, but it's not nearly as active. Daredevil is a very very easy build, using staff and dual pistol, for people who want to take it easier and still clear content. > > > > I tend to stay away from eles and engies, not that I never play them but I don't play them as much or as hard. My engie is using a flame thrower build that works quite nicely that I call fire and forget. lol > > > > 56 is still young. It’s the new 36 haha. First generation gamer? That means you played the Atari 2600? My dad had one! Ummm, I was there before the Atari 2600. I played a game called Phasar Battle, which was like a stand alone electronic shooting game. I was there when pong came out. They had this stupid three game set that hooked up to your TV it was pong, hand ball and haunted house. And haunted house came with a "game screen" that was a piece of plastic that you had to tape over your 19 inch television. Edit: I think I was 15 when the Atari 2600 came out. Edit 2: Try this one on for size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnavox_Odyssey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTrogdor.7892 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > > > Age in most cases, but not all, does affect dexterity. But more than that, it affects stamina and focus, at least in my case. However, since most people don't raid or competitively PvP or WvW, what does it matter? > > > > > > I'll be 56 soon and I'm part of the first generation that grew up on video games (admittedly a faint shadow of what they have become today). I'm not going to stop playing just because I'm not interested in killing myself raiding. There's plenty of stuff in this game for a guy like me to do. > > > > > > The builds I tend to make aren't meta builds, but they're more fire and forget builds. Phantasm builds on a chronomancer, for example, rather than a shatter build. I still shatter when I can resummon 2 phantasms, but it's not nearly as active. Daredevil is a very very easy build, using staff and dual pistol, for people who want to take it easier and still clear content. > > > > > > I tend to stay away from eles and engies, not that I never play them but I don't play them as much or as hard. My engie is using a flame thrower build that works quite nicely that I call fire and forget. lol > > > > > > > 56 is still young. It’s the new 36 haha. First generation gamer? That means you played the Atari 2600? My dad had one! > > Ummm, I was there before the Atari 2600. I played a game called Phasar Battle, which was like a stand alone electronic shooting game. I was there when pong came out. They had this stupid three game set that hooked up to your TV it was pong, hand ball and haunted house. And haunted house came with a "game screen" that was a piece of plastic that you had to tape over your 19 inch television. > > Edit: I think I was 15 when the Atari 2600 came out. And probably told everyone you knew how great the Atari 2600 E.T. game was. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayne.8563 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > > > > > Age in most cases, but not all, does affect dexterity. But more than that, it affects stamina and focus, at least in my case. However, since most people don't raid or competitively PvP or WvW, what does it matter? > > > > > > > > I'll be 56 soon and I'm part of the first generation that grew up on video games (admittedly a faint shadow of what they have become today). I'm not going to stop playing just because I'm not interested in killing myself raiding. There's plenty of stuff in this game for a guy like me to do. > > > > > > > > The builds I tend to make aren't meta builds, but they're more fire and forget builds. Phantasm builds on a chronomancer, for example, rather than a shatter build. I still shatter when I can resummon 2 phantasms, but it's not nearly as active. Daredevil is a very very easy build, using staff and dual pistol, for people who want to take it easier and still clear content. > > > > > > > > I tend to stay away from eles and engies, not that I never play them but I don't play them as much or as hard. My engie is using a flame thrower build that works quite nicely that I call fire and forget. lol > > > > > > > > > > 56 is still young. It’s the new 36 haha. First generation gamer? That means you played the Atari 2600? My dad had one! > > > > Ummm, I was there before the Atari 2600. I played a game called Phasar Battle, which was like a stand alone electronic shooting game. I was there when pong came out. They had this stupid three game set that hooked up to your TV it was pong, hand ball and haunted house. And haunted house came with a "game screen" that was a piece of plastic that you had to tape over your 19 inch television. > > > > Edit: I think I was 15 when the Atari 2600 came out. > > And probably told everyone you knew how great the Atari 2600 E.T. game was. :wink: > > Nah I was an Adventure guy. Man that game was awesome. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTrogdor.7892 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > > > > > > > Age in most cases, but not all, does affect dexterity. But more than that, it affects stamina and focus, at least in my case. However, since most people don't raid or competitively PvP or WvW, what does it matter? > > > > > > > > > > I'll be 56 soon and I'm part of the first generation that grew up on video games (admittedly a faint shadow of what they have become today). I'm not going to stop playing just because I'm not interested in killing myself raiding. There's plenty of stuff in this game for a guy like me to do. > > > > > > > > > > The builds I tend to make aren't meta builds, but they're more fire and forget builds. Phantasm builds on a chronomancer, for example, rather than a shatter build. I still shatter when I can resummon 2 phantasms, but it's not nearly as active. Daredevil is a very very easy build, using staff and dual pistol, for people who want to take it easier and still clear content. > > > > > > > > > > I tend to stay away from eles and engies, not that I never play them but I don't play them as much or as hard. My engie is using a flame thrower build that works quite nicely that I call fire and forget. lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > 56 is still young. It’s the new 36 haha. First generation gamer? That means you played the Atari 2600? My dad had one! > > > > > > Ummm, I was there before the Atari 2600. I played a game called Phasar Battle, which was like a stand alone electronic shooting game. I was there when pong came out. They had this stupid three game set that hooked up to your TV it was pong, hand ball and haunted house. And haunted house came with a "game screen" that was a piece of plastic that you had to tape over your 19 inch television. > > > > > > Edit: I think I was 15 when the Atari 2600 came out. > > > > And probably told everyone you knew how great the Atari 2600 E.T. game was. :wink: > > > > > Nah I was an Adventure guy. Man that game was awesome. lol > Don't think you got the joke. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayne.8563 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > > > @"Vayne.8563" said: > > > > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > > > > > > > > > Age in most cases, but not all, does affect dexterity. But more than that, it affects stamina and focus, at least in my case. However, since most people don't raid or competitively PvP or WvW, what does it matter? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be 56 soon and I'm part of the first generation that grew up on video games (admittedly a faint shadow of what they have become today). I'm not going to stop playing just because I'm not interested in killing myself raiding. There's plenty of stuff in this game for a guy like me to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > The builds I tend to make aren't meta builds, but they're more fire and forget builds. Phantasm builds on a chronomancer, for example, rather than a shatter build. I still shatter when I can resummon 2 phantasms, but it's not nearly as active. Daredevil is a very very easy build, using staff and dual pistol, for people who want to take it easier and still clear content. > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to stay away from eles and engies, not that I never play them but I don't play them as much or as hard. My engie is using a flame thrower build that works quite nicely that I call fire and forget. lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 56 is still young. It’s the new 36 haha. First generation gamer? That means you played the Atari 2600? My dad had one! > > > > > > > > Ummm, I was there before the Atari 2600. I played a game called Phasar Battle, which was like a stand alone electronic shooting game. I was there when pong came out. They had this stupid three game set that hooked up to your TV it was pong, hand ball and haunted house. And haunted house came with a "game screen" that was a piece of plastic that you had to tape over your 19 inch television. > > > > > > > > Edit: I think I was 15 when the Atari 2600 came out. > > > > > > And probably told everyone you knew how great the Atari 2600 E.T. game was. :wink: > > > > > > > > Nah I was an Adventure guy. Man that game was awesome. lol > > > > Don't think you got the joke. :) Yeah yeah, it's still morning here and I haven't had coffee yet. I get it now....wooosh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 21 forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Menadena.7482" said: > > @"Danikat.8537" said: > > I was working in a video game store when the Wii and PS3 were released and at least once a week we got a couple who had never played a video game before buying a Wii because they'd heard it was fun or tried it at a friends house > > We were convinced to buy our WII (RIP) by my mother-in-law who was using it for wii fit. > I keep getting infracted by joining in on off topic discussions but my parents were the same, they bought a Wii purely for the fitness side of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"JustTrogdor.7892" said: > > @"Fenom.9457" said: > > There are people under 10 playing? > > Only if you believe every forum member that voted answered honestly. Its possible for there to be people under the age of 10 playing without every forum member who voted being honest with their vote. I know of multiple kids in that age range who play or have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendary Defender.5631 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 You do know most if not all are going to lie about their age. for instance i said im over 80 when im not. just like some say they are under 9 when theyre not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taygus.4571 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Legendary Defender.5631" said: > You do know most if not all are going to lie about their age. for instance i said im over 80 when im not. just like some say they are under 9 when theyre not. Seeing as the majority votes are in the 20-39 range. ....I would assume most aren't lying. Do you know, that those who lie tend to assume everyone else does also? Even though such an assumption is often false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie.1698 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 odd, I saw someone saying "if you were born before 1980 then you think MMO's are childish" I was born way before 80's, in fact, graduated high school in the early 80's. I played Atari, heck I even played pong on the TV when that was a great thing. There were no computers in my school at all, not the library, not anywhere. Most of early college too. I am and have been a server engineer for over 20yrs now. I played Daggerfall for hours on end, UO (Ultima Online), I love the MMO genre and came from the early days. I don't think its childish at all. "I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.' C.S. Lewis. Being female, it was a little bit more difficult back then to not be labeled "receptionist" or things like that, and gaming and computer work? well, sometimes we were not as welcome as we are now in this time period. I am glad for that. I will always have fun in MMO's, I love the time I get to spend having fun with computers instead of work on them all the time. Staves off the burn out and always brings loud laughter and big smiles when I get to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Laurie.1698" said: > odd, I saw someone saying "if you were born before 1980 then you think MMO's are childish" I was born way before 80's, in fact, graduated high school in the early 80's. I played Atari, heck I even played pong on the TV when that was a great thing. There were no computers in my school at all, not the library, not anywhere. Most of early college too. I am and have been a server engineer for over 20yrs now. I played Daggerfall for hours on end, UO (Ultima Online), I love the MMO genre and came from the early days. I don't think its childish at all. "I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.' C.S. Lewis. Being female, it was a little bit more difficult back then to not be labeled "receptionist" or things like that, and gaming and computer work? well, sometimes we were not as welcome as we are now in this time period. I am glad for that. I will always have fun in MMO's, I love the time I get to spend having fun with computers instead of work on them all the time. Staves off the burn out and always brings loud laughter and big smiles when I get to play. If you are going to respond to something I am saying, please quote me directly so I am notified. Anyway, I am speaking in generalities. If you are looking for exceptions you'll find plenty, but when looking at the market as a whole the exceptions aren't as important as the mean flow. There is a certain age window in which our expectations are normalized, and if we aren't in the window then we aren't going to get it. I'm an obtuse person who has experiences in a lot of places, and I can definitely tell you that outside of our current age demographic and closely knit social circle, things like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and The Inhumans are the silliest things ever. As for whether or not it is childish, that is a much bigger debate. My short answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > @"Menadena.7482" said: > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > Well, younger gamers are all thumbs when they have to move with WASD or arrow keys. > > > > “all thumbs” is that a UK phrase/idiom? I am American but heard Hyacinth Bucket say it in one of the Keeping up Appearances episode. My parents love that show. It used to be on Netflix Nah, I think it's most English-speaking countries. I'm in the USA, and I've used it as long as I can remember. Means "clumsy", I think. (If not, I've been using it wrong for ... well, let's not get into THAT again!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Vavume.8065" said: > The fact that you are asking who is 0-9 I find extremely creepy... Actually, it was just for completeness. I didn't want anybody to feel left out. (And, since there is someone in that range, I am glad I did!) But, you bring up a good point, and that (the creepy thing) is one reason why Gaile had me start a new poll/thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 By the way, I remember when the Atari 2600 wasn't called the 2600. I think it was Atari Game Console or something like that. We just called it Atari. A friend of mine had one. We all thought his family must be rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious.2867 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Daddicus.6128" said: > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > @"Menadena.7482" said: > > > > @"Pimsley.3681" said: > > > > I’m not old enough to know but does age affect dexterity and reaction times? I’ve noticed most of the ESL pro gamers from other games are mostly in their 20s. > > > > > > Well, younger gamers are all thumbs when they have to move with WASD or arrow keys. > > > > > > > “all thumbs” is that a UK phrase/idiom? I am American but heard Hyacinth Bucket say it in one of the Keeping up Appearances episode. My parents love that show. It used to be on Netflix > > Nah, I think it's most English-speaking countries. I'm in the USA, and I've used it as long as I can remember. Means "clumsy", I think. (If not, I've been using it wrong for ... well, let's not get into THAT again!) Hmm...In the US, maybe it's an older generation or regional phrase? Like from the Midwest or Bible belt area? It's not popular in coastal cities because of its transient nature and how pop-culture dictates the vocabulary. These days, people are just more direct and say, "Gee, you're clumsy AF" Edit: But I do like idioms though. It's a more "colorful" use of language. Social media and the instant gratification nature of people these days have killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 That could be. I've always lived in the upper Midwest, so it definitely could be localized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious.2867 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just made a wild guess. I'm only a 9yr old living in Eastern Siberia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Endless Soul.5178" said: > 49 here. I still remember when my mom brought home our first video game...PONG. I played Pong on the deluxe cocktail table version in a hotel lounge till my eyes went square during one particularly rainy holiday when I was young. There was little else to do, Space Invaders hadn't come out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf.8670 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 > @"Legendary Defender.5631" said: > You do know most if not all are going to lie about their age. for instance i said im over 80 when im not. just like some say they are under 9 when theyre not. Why bother other than to be deceptive? The votes are not public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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