shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"Odik.4587" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts, Portal > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > I wonder if u stop pop out out of nowhere. K. > 'Some' phantasms with some conditions met up (Yes , must be nerfed damage,like 999 ppl agree) but outside that its holo level damage?:D Phantasms do more damage than a holo. > Very good condi clear? on current mirage or chrono spamming phantasms? ON mirage alone its not. You're wrong. Mirage has better condi clear than Chrono. > Thief is better at everything you mention except portal. They perform different roles, but no. Currently, mesmer is a lot stronger than thief. > Warrior tankiness?Noone use palading amulet on EU . They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor. A lot of people use paladins on NA. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > lol? > > Meta Mesmer: > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > Total = 7550 range > > Meta Thief: > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > Total without target = 3900 range > - Steal 1200 range. > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility Vault can make 20k+ so？‘’Phantasmal Disenchanter‘’ damage without Boons have 1*power ,Damage with Boons have 0.4*power.Druid have not any boun,are u kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > lol? > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > Meta Thief: > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > Total without target = 3900 range > > - Steal 1200 range. > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility Daredevil s/d is not meta as far as I know so you can exclude dash, true about RfI, can always add withdraw too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > Daredevil s/d is not meta as far as I know do you can exclude dash, true about RfI, can always add withdraw too. Meta is always changing，sd is a very good weapon against close combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > lol? > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > Meta Thief: > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > Total without target = 3900 range > > - Steal 1200 range. > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. Meta Thief: Shadowstep 1200 range. Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. Total without target = 3900 range Steal 1200 range. Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. Total = 6000 range What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > Meta Thief: > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > Total without target = 3900 range > > Steal 1200 range. > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > Total = 6000 range > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 looooool First, meta thief is s/d core. Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this retarded. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > Total = 6000 range > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > looooool > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative Why not count？Return can keep safe distance and effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > looooool > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative What is BD? M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nappa.1904 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Most people don't seem to want mesmers to be "balanced". They want it to be nerfed to oblivion like reaper. Unfortunately for both sides of the argument, Anet's balancing is very much hit or miss (most agree that it's a miss more often than not). And if they did another nerf on mesmers, it would probably be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > > > looooool > > > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative > > What is BD? > > M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available > > Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. > > Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol Who specifies that it is the best build？You really think top players will share their own build？ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts, Portal > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > I wonder if u stop pop out out of nowhere. > > K. > > > 'Some' phantasms with some conditions met up (Yes , must be nerfed damage,like 999 ppl agree) but outside that its holo level damage?:D > > Phantasms do more damage than a holo. > > > Very good condi clear? on current mirage or chrono spamming phantasms? ON mirage alone its not. > > You're wrong. Mirage has better condi clear than Chrono. > > > Thief is better at everything you mention except portal. > > They perform different roles, but no. Currently, mesmer is a lot stronger than thief. > > > Warrior tankiness?Noone use palading amulet on EU . They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor. > > A lot of people us paladins on NA. Your point? How you dont feel wrong at all i wonder. Stating holo damage than mesmer- absurd. Because of existing of disenchanter/defender doesnt mean they have higher damage Mirage have better condi cleanse than chrono with inspiration ? Really ? :> Ignoring facts ? How nice of you ."They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor" . So everyone can use paladin and not only mesmer can get decent protection uptime. I see you got no point here ;) Mr. Liar show me how you >You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. Video pls Because i can something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! Btw shadowstep takes you to 2400 forth and back.Have cleanse of 3 conditions and literally 2 breakstuns. Can be regained with improvisation randomly. > First, meta thief is s/d core. So what? First time seeing memser hater being shocked their weapon used against themselves .They mention everything mesmer 'possibly' can have but dont take it when others do the same. i'm not surprised at all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts, Portal > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > I wonder if u stop pop out out of nowhere. > > K. > > > 'Some' phantasms with some conditions met up (Yes , must be nerfed damage,like 999 ppl agree) but outside that its holo level damage?:D > > Phantasms do more damage than a holo. > > > Very good condi clear? on current mirage or chrono spamming phantasms? ON mirage alone its not. > > You're wrong. Mirage has better condi clear than Chrono. > actually you’re wrong. Chrono can out condi clear mirage. Seeing Chrono can chain phantasm summons it’s can clear more than 5 condi s. Not to mention if you set up your condis right you’ll force the jaunt and dodge clears then the Mesmer will either have to blink away or die. At which point you won the fight > > Thief is better at everything you mention except portal. > > They perform different roles, but no. Currently, mesmer is a lot stronger than thief. > > > Warrior tankiness?Noone use palading amulet on EU . They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor. > > A lot of people us paladins on NA. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > > > > > looooool > > > > > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > > > > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative > > > > What is BD? > > > > M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available > > > > Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. > > > > Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol > > Who specifies that it is the best build？You really think top players will share their own build？ I'm not explaining what a meta build is. If you really don't know, use google lol. Yes, we know each other's builds through both dueling and the fact that **we all run meta**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"Odik.4587" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts, Portal > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > I wonder if u stop pop out out of nowhere. > > > > K. > > > > > 'Some' phantasms with some conditions met up (Yes , must be nerfed damage,like 999 ppl agree) but outside that its holo level damage?:D > > > > Phantasms do more damage than a holo. > > > > > Very good condi clear? on current mirage or chrono spamming phantasms? ON mirage alone its not. > > > > You're wrong. Mirage has better condi clear than Chrono. > > > > > Thief is better at everything you mention except portal. > > > > They perform different roles, but no. Currently, mesmer is a lot stronger than thief. > > > > > Warrior tankiness?Noone use palading amulet on EU . They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor. > > > > A lot of people us paladins on NA. Your point? > > How you dont feel wrong at all i wonder. Stating holo damage than mesmer- absurd. Because of existing of disenchanter/defender doesnt mean they have higher damage > Mirage have better condi cleanse than chrono with inspiration ? Really ? :> > Ignoring facts ? How nice of you ."They arent posses of warrior HP pool/heavy armor" . So everyone can use paladin and not only mesmer can get decent protection uptime. > I see you got no point here ;) > Mr. Liar show me how you Mesmer does more damage than holo. Moot point. [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > >You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. Video pls > Because i can something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! No. Spamming sword 2 means you move a grand total of ZERO distance. You're completely wrong and I think I lost a few brain cells reading that. > Btw shadowstep takes you to 2400 forth and back.Have cleanse of 3 conditions and literally 2 breakstuns. Can be regained with improvisation randomly. Okay? > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > So what? > First time seeing memser hater being shocked their weapon used against themselves .They mention everything mesmer 'possibly' can have but dont take it when others do the same. i'm not surprised at all . > **So**, Zete was saying that meta thieves were s/d daredevils when this is clearly 100% incorrect. I can't understand the second sentence due to the poor English so I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeels.3269 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 why is this even a question? mesmer is brokenly op atm. just because a person states a class is op, doesnt mean we need to compare it to other classes and say they are also op, that is some 20iq argument strategy right there. wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > > > > > > > looooool > > > > > > > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > > > > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > > > > > > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative > > > > > > What is BD? > > > > > > M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available > > > > > > Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. > > > > > > Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol > > > > Who specifies that it is the best build？You really think top players will share their own build？ > > I'm not explaining what a meta build is. If you really don't know, use google lol. > > Yes, we know each other's builds through both dueling and the fact that **we all run meta**. That's right, please continue to be superstitious meta，I guess you've never seen 'A.E.D' Holo or SD/SB soulbeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: >You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. After seeing i have doubts that you ever had said brain cells...If you can confirm your lie ,go ahead. >Because i can SAY* something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! ^Thats related to your 9 mirage thrurst in a row . You say BS, i did the same. in fact, its combat mobility which is comes to absurd level compared to mesmer. What you struggle to understand ? Im not using google translate or anything but when put it there, its translated exactly how i wanted it to be . Keep pretending . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"AngelsShadow.7360" said: > why is this even a question? mesmer is brokenly op atm. > > just because a person states a class is op, doesnt mean we need to compare it to other classes and say they are also op, that is some 20iq argument strategy right there. > > wake up. You out of touch with reality ? Many agree its need nerfs but not smiters boon. I repeat it many times, we have suggestions on nerfs that would make it better ,instead of nerfs EVERYTHING and still not fix the issues or nerf it that hard so class would end up being second renegade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"Odik.4587" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > **>You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. ** > >Because i can SAY* something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! > ^Thats related to your 9 mirage thrurst in a row . **After seeing i have doubts that you ever had said brain cells...If you can confirm your lie ,go ahead.** > You say BS, i did the same. Something you never had, cant die ;) > in fact, its combat mobility which is comes to absurd level compared to mesmer. > What you struggle to understand ? Im not using google translate or anything but when put it there, its translated exactly how i wanted it to be . Keep pretending . > 1. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 2. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust False Oasis + Vigor + Adventure Runes 3. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 4. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 5. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust Desert Distortion + 3 Illusions = 3 Mirage Mirrors 6. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 7. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 8. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 9. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 10. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust 10 Mirage Thrusts. I play mesmer too, and I obviously know more about it than you do. I haven't lied about anything lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > > > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > > > > > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looooool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative > > > > > > > > > > > > What is BD? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol > > > > > > > > > > Who specifies that it is the best build？You really think top players will share their own build？ > > > > > > > > I'm not explaining what a meta build is. If you really don't know, use google lol. > > > > > > > > Yes, we know each other's builds through both dueling and the fact that **we all run meta**. > > > > > > That's right, please continue to be superstitious meta，I guess you've never seen 'A.E.D' Holo or SD/SB soulbeast > > > > LOOOOOOL > > > > I've honestly never laughed harder at a post before LOLLL > How many points do you have in rank？ > https://imgur.com/a/B0FWI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > **>You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. ** > > >Because i can SAY* something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! > > ^Thats related to your 9 mirage thrurst in a row . **After seeing i have doubts that you ever had said brain cells...If you can confirm your lie ,go ahead.** > > You say BS, i did the same. Something you never had, cant die ;) > > in fact, its combat mobility which is comes to absurd level compared to mesmer. > > What you struggle to understand ? Im not using google translate or anything but when put it there, its translated exactly how i wanted it to be . Keep pretending . > > > > 1. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 2. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > False Oasis + Vigor + Adventure Runes > > 3. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 4. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 5. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > Desert Distortion + 3 Illusions = 3 Mirage Mirrors > > 6. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 7. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 8. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 9. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 10. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 10 Mirage Thrusts. > > I play mesmer too, and I obviously know more about it than you do. I haven't lied about anything lol Would you come back in order to pick up a mirror on the ground？Can you do something more meaningful? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > **>You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. ** > > > >Because i can SAY* something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! > > > ^Thats related to your 9 mirage thrurst in a row . **After seeing i have doubts that you ever had said brain cells...If you can confirm your lie ,go ahead.** > > > You say BS, i did the same. Something you never had, cant die ;) > > > in fact, its combat mobility which is comes to absurd level compared to mesmer. > > > What you struggle to understand ? Im not using google translate or anything but when put it there, its translated exactly how i wanted it to be . Keep pretending . > > > > > > > 1. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 2. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > > > False Oasis + Vigor + Adventure Runes > > > > 3. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 4. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 5. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > > > Desert Distortion + 3 Illusions = 3 Mirage Mirrors > > > > 6. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 7. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 8. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 9. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 10. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > > > 10 Mirage Thrusts. > > > > I play mesmer too, and I obviously know more about it than you do. I haven't lied about anything lol > > Would you come back in order to pick up a mirror on the ground？Can you do something more meaningful? lol You don't need to come back... lol Odik said you can't Mirage Thrust 9 times in a row. I explained exactly how you **can**. That's about as meaningful as you can get. :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > **>You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. ** > > >Because i can SAY* something stupid like thief can spam sword2 and travel 1 million range! > > ^Thats related to your 9 mirage thrurst in a row . **After seeing i have doubts that you ever had said brain cells...If you can confirm your lie ,go ahead.** > > You say BS, i did the same. Something you never had, cant die ;) > > in fact, its combat mobility which is comes to absurd level compared to mesmer. > > What you struggle to understand ? Im not using google translate or anything but when put it there, its translated exactly how i wanted it to be . Keep pretending . > > > > 1. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 2. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > False Oasis + Vigor + Adventure Runes > > 3. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 4. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 5. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > Desert Distortion + 3 Illusions = 3 Mirage Mirrors > > 6. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 7. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 8. Mirage Mirror = Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 9. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > 10. Mirage Cloak -> Mirage Thrust > > 10 Mirage Thrusts. > > I play mesmer too, and I obviously know more about it than you do. I haven't lied about anything lol You can’t cover 5400 range with that though as the mirage mirrors from desert distortion appear where the clones died, you would also have to be in combat with something to have 3 clones out to begin with. Additionally you’d have to go back and forth for the mirrors, it’s far more useful just for the prolonged evasion in combat or triggering IH. Mirage mirror after false oasis appears after 4s so you’d have to go back to grab it if you’re running or thrusting away or wait 4s to use it which would give vigor enough time to refill half an endurance bar not a full endurance bar. This isn’t doing multiple mirage thrusts in a row, this is doing some, waiting, doing some more, waiting. You also seem to have a very warped idea of how vigor works, it is 50% endurance regen as it was nerfed a long time ago, that’s 2.5 endurance/s extra so it takes 7.5s to get a full dodge back. I can see getting maybe 4-5 off in a row, that is chained btw but 9 is stretching it a lot, remember this isn’t WvW where the food gives a 5s dodge regeneration rate. Don’t get me wrong it’s still a decent distance all by itself, 2400-3000 is plenty far enough just there’s at least a little disception afoot in your claim of covering 5400 via 9 mirage thrusts in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"ZeteCommander.4937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Daishi.6027" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People hated mesmers even back when they were only good for portal, deleted by thieves and condi, and their damage was replaceable by so many better team slot options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So of course when it’s good or on par, or above average people will continue to complain, and claim that it’s A-net’s baby when even after years of being at the bottom beyond portal until HoT. Also outside of S1 chrono bunk, Mesmer has never been a true apex predator where people would switch to stack them on one team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You know, like how the eles and wars who think A-net doesn’t love them despite in the past having multiple metas where teams sought to stack them and that was considered optimal.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesmers are well above "par" right now. They're doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. Any one of those things gets calls for nerf (hell, they do now), but mesmer is doing all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol，maybe only you can do this .Other one can only choose 3 talents and 4 weapons to get one of the abilities，but u can choose 7 talent and 8 weapons at same time.Please don't speak with your feelings and list all the skills in detail to explain that mesmer doing the equivalent of holosmith-level damage, thief engage/disengage/ganking, and warrior tankiness when played well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greater than holosmith-level damage: Most phantasms > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief engage/disengage/ganking: Blink, Jaunts, Mirage Thrusts > > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior tankiness: Permanent protection + paladins amulet, very good condi clear, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what phantasms could make damage like holo 123545 ,please concrete explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [11k Disenchanter](https://imgur.com/a/8PhBv) > > > > > > > > > > [11k Defender](https://imgur.com/a/7zCSp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mes :Blink have 30s cd，Jaunts only 450 rang ,Mirage Thrusts 600 rang ,Compare with thieves，'Infiltrator's Strike' 0cd 900 rang ('Infiltrator's Return' 1200rang) 'Shadow Shot' 0cd 900rang ' Infiltrator's Arrow' 0cd 900rang ,Steal 1200 rang（The maximum use of two times），limitless acceleration......(more is not to say) > > > > > > > > > > > The above description mes engage/disengage/ganking than Thief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Mesmer: > > > > > > > > > > - Blink is on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep and travels 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > - You can Jaunt 3 times in a row and travel 1350 range. > > > > > > > > > > - You can Mirage Thrust like 9x in a row if you really wanted to and travel 5400 range. > > > > > > > > > > - Portal has a range of 5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 7550 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > - Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > - Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > - Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone can equipment paladins amulet so everyone have warrior tankiness（mes unable to provide permanent protection）？no choice of inspiration is only a little clear, warrior has a lot of resistance even not SB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mesmer can get permanent protection lol... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both dodges and jaunts clear condis btw. You don't even need inspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where is ‘’Unhindered Combatant'*n , Roll for Initiative ? > > > > > > > > > 'Escapist's Absolution' ' Infiltrator's Strike' all good to clean even not choose utility > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use your eyes and read what I wrote a little more carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meta Thief: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadowstep 1200 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Arrow 3 times in a row to travel 2700 range. > > > > > > > Total without target = 3900 range > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steal 1200 range. > > > > > > > Infiltrator's Strike 900 range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total = 6000 range > > > > > > > What did I miss？where is 'Unhindered Combatant' * n where is 1 minutes of acceleration > > > > > > > sd can use Infiltrator's Strike attack，then 'Infiltrator's Return' back ,(900+1200)*3=6300 > > > > > > > > > > > > looooool > > > > > > > > > > > > First, meta thief is s/d core. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, I really hope you're kidding and not actually this kitten. You don't count spamming Infiltrator's Strike and Return as additional distance... LOL > > > > > > > > > > lol，Is there a rule that you can't use BD outside meta？The real masters are using their own BD not in meta，they use distinctive BD to control meta,Meta is for people who are not creative > > > > > > > > What is BD? > > > > > > > > M.E.T.A. = Most Effective Tactic Available > > > > > > > > Hence, if you don't use a M.E.T.A. build, you're not being optimal. > > > > > > > > Every single person in the monthly ran a meta build. According to your logic, every single top player isn't creative? You don't know what you're talking about lol > > > > > > Who specifies that it is the best build？You really think top players will share their own build？ > > > > I'm not explaining what a meta build is. If you really don't know, use google lol. > > > > Yes, we know each other's builds through both dueling and the fact that **we all run meta**. > > That's right, please continue to be superstitious meta，I guess you've never seen 'A.E.D' Holo or SD/SB soulbeast No, I haven't seen an 'A.E.D' Holo or SD/SB soulbeast." Where am I supposed to look for them? Bronze? Silver? Pebble division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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