Obtena.7952 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > I am telling you people are banned for merely having the program installed, and not necessarily using it in the same time with GW2. What say you? > > > > I say that's their risk isn't it ... They installed a program that people use to cheat. You're going to tell me they didn't know that? > > What next ANET ban anyone with razer synapse, corsair cue or any other macro software because they could possibly use that software to create rule breaking macros? Again ... you are saying people only INSTALLED the software and didn't USE it? BS ... Yes, that's what everyone does ... Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yseron.8613 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Hello, I am just passing to say that Arenanet can keep all the datas they collected on me. Should any porny content less than 4096 x 8192 pixels be presented as mine, it is likely to be a fake because I have high standards and only keep quality stuff. (now that you have the space to collect our datas, can we have custom avatars ? a google drive ? ...pretty please ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > I am telling you people are banned for merely having the program installed, and not necessarily using it in the same time with GW2. What say you? > > > > > > I say that's their risk isn't it ... They installed a program that people use to cheat. You're going to tell me they didn't know that? > > > > What next ANET ban anyone with razer synapse, corsair cue or any other macro software because they could possibly use that software to create rule breaking macros? > > Again ... you are saying people only INSTALLED the software and didn't USE it? BS ... Yes, that's what everyone does ... Just stop. Yes, I never used it when GW2 was open and I have only played GW2 for a month. I also play WoW and FFXIV and I have never even received a warning. Specially WoW which I have been playing for 8 years. ANET is at fault here, there is no denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf.5678 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Support official, hackers, through walls, flying Apsaras, no CD, acceleration, card passive, unlimited transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhiannon.1726 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 When you already have a problem with GW2 collecting data to identify cheat programs, I hope you don't have steam or discord. BTW have you read the user agreement for GW2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > I am telling you people are banned for merely having the program installed, and not necessarily using it in the same time with GW2. What say you? > > > > > > > > I say that's their risk isn't it ... They installed a program that people use to cheat. You're going to tell me they didn't know that? > > > > > > What next ANET ban anyone with razer synapse, corsair cue or any other macro software because they could possibly use that software to create rule breaking macros? > > > > Again ... you are saying people only INSTALLED the software and didn't USE it? BS ... Yes, that's what everyone does ... Just stop. > > Yes, I never used it when GW2 was open and I have only played GW2 for a month. I also play WoW and FFXIV and I have never even received a warning. Specially WoW which I have been playing for 8 years. > > ANET is at fault here, there is no denying it. You don't really get what's happening here. Anet owns your account. If you have setup your system in a way they feel jeopardizes the security of the game or violates the EULA ... they can ban you. They do that for VERY good reasons. Anet is at fault? Wow ... yes, it's ANet's fault your computer is setup with software. how ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Although maybe its wrong of me to compare Blizzard to Anet. You can see why company is better by simpler things. Just look at support response times. I heard the fastest ticket response you can get with Anet is 7 days whereas you can probably get into live chat with support staff in WoW on expansion release days in 7 minutes. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am telling you people are banned for merely having the program installed, and not necessarily using it in the same time with GW2. What say you? > > > > > > > > > > I say that's their risk isn't it ... They installed a program that people use to cheat. You're going to tell me they didn't know that? > > > > > > > > What next ANET ban anyone with razer synapse, corsair cue or any other macro software because they could possibly use that software to create rule breaking macros? > > > > > > Again ... you are saying people only INSTALLED the software and didn't USE it? BS ... Yes, that's what everyone does ... Just stop. > > > > Yes, I never used it when GW2 was open and I have only played GW2 for a month. I also play WoW and FFXIV and I have never even received a warning. Specially WoW which I have been playing for 8 years. > > > > ANET is at fault here, there is no denying it. > > You don't really get what's happening here. Anet owns your account. If you have setup your system in a way they feel jeopardizes the security of the game or violates the EULA ... they can ban you. They do that for VERY good reasons. > > Anet is at fault? Wow ... yes, it's ANet's fault your computer is setup with software. how ridiculous. Lol, I'll just let everyone read this and decide themselves. Its no one's business what I have in my private folders when they are not even open. Continue your pathetic white knighting, it doesn't concern me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walhalla.5473 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Rhiannon.1726" said: > BTW have you read the user agreement for GW2? You know the answer already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belorn.2659 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I doubt there will be any legal issues of this, but I find it utterly disrespectful to not delete the information about users which has done nothing. Sure there might be others that do worse things (Facebook?), but this is suppose to be a game that we do for enjoyment. Why ruin that when they can just delete the collateral damage from this intrusion? Is it really too much to ask that they act a bit customer friendly and delete the collected information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am telling you people are banned for merely having the program installed, and not necessarily using it in the same time with GW2. What say you? > > > > > > > > > > > > I say that's their risk isn't it ... They installed a program that people use to cheat. You're going to tell me they didn't know that? > > > > > > > > > > What next ANET ban anyone with razer synapse, corsair cue or any other macro software because they could possibly use that software to create rule breaking macros? > > > > > > > > Again ... you are saying people only INSTALLED the software and didn't USE it? BS ... Yes, that's what everyone does ... Just stop. > > > > > > Yes, I never used it when GW2 was open and I have only played GW2 for a month. I also play WoW and FFXIV and I have never even received a warning. Specially WoW which I have been playing for 8 years. > > > > > > ANET is at fault here, there is no denying it. > > > > You don't really get what's happening here. Anet owns your account. If you have setup your system in a way they feel jeopardizes the security of the game or violates the EULA ... they can ban you. They do that for VERY good reasons. > > > > Anet is at fault? Wow ... yes, it's ANet's fault your computer is setup with software. how ridiculous. > > Lol, I'll just let everyone read this and decide themselves. Its no one's business what I have in my private folders when they are not even open. > > Continue your pathetic white knighting, it doesn't concern me anymore. Every time you sign up to enter the game, you give Anet business to do that. You don't really know what you are paying for do you? If it didn't concern you, you would be posting here. It's all just sour grapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaa.8475 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I'm sure this has been said in these 22 pages. You guys got caught, be grown ups that you always wanted to be, or pretend to be grown ups and do what you think a grown up mature person would do. Take responsibility for your actions and quit crying about it. Quit blaming Anet for your actions. Deal with the consequences of YOUR actions and go on with life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"CaelestiaEmpyrea.2617" said: > A few arguments that posters are making bothered me, so I decided to give the EULA a read-through. The only way a player did not agree to the EULA is if they used an illegally modified client that bypasses the consent section, or illegally obtained a used account from someone else (in either case, a ban is to be expected). Here are a few points to answer many of the arguments put forth: > > "Anet invaded my privacy/has no right to look at what my computer does/is using illicit spyware" > > ArenaNet HAS THE RIGHT, BUT NO OBLIGATION, TO MONITOR OPERATION OF ANY SERVICE, CONTENT OR GAME AT ANY TIME AND IN ANY MATTER, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MONITORING COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACES, STORAGE DEVICES, RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY, OR CPU PROCESSES RELATED TO HARDWARE YOU USE WITH THE GAME. SUCH MONITORING MAY ALSO INCLUDE, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, MONITORING FOR THE PURPOSES OF DETECTING THE GAME UNDER SECTION 8© or 8(e). YOU CONSENT TO THE FOREGOING MONITORING AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ArenaNet MAY, AT ANY TIME, AND IN ANY MANNER, COMMUNICATE ANY INFORMATION BETWEEN HARDWARE YOU USE WITH THE GAME AND ANY MECHANISM ArenaNet MAY CHOOSE FOR SUCH COMMUNICATIONS. YOU ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS A RESULT OF SUCH MONITORING ArenaNet MAY IN ITS REASONABLE DISCRETION TAKE ANY ACTION, OR NO ACTION WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO: > > > CHANGING ANY PORTION OF THE SERVICE, CONTENT OR GAME; > > SEEKING RECOURSE AGAINST YOU BY WAY OF ANY PROCEEDING ARENANET DEEMS APPROPRIATE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES; AND/OR > > DETERMINING THAT YOU ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND TERMINATING YOUR ACCOUNT UNDER SECTION 3(b). ARENANET HAS THE RIGHT, BUT NO OBLIGATION, TO PROVIDE YOU WITH NOTICE BEFORE SUCH TERMINATION. > > "No Appeals" > > ArenaNet has no obligation under any circumstances to review any communications regarding violations of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account. ArenaNet may, in its reasonable discretion, choose to review communications made to the Notice Contact regarding violations of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account. ArenaNet may also, in its reasonable discretion, provide other means by which it may choose to review communications regarding violations of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account. > > "X Program was for another game" > > You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of ArenaNet, do any of the following: > > (Wall of irrelevant text) ... > > Use, obtain or provide data related to operation of the Game, including but not limited to: > > > > software that reads areas of computer memory or storage devices related to the Game; > > software that intercepts or otherwise collects data from or through the Game; > > software that redirects communications from any Game or Service; or > > software not provided by ArenaNet which creates or maintains any communication to the Game or Service, including but not limited to any software that emulates the Game or any part thereof as well as any server that emulates the Service or any part thereof; > > > (In layman's terms, just having the programs capable of doing the above is justification for disciplinary action. Running the programs while GW2 is running is even more so a justification for disciplinary action.) > > > Whether people like it or not, ANet has done nothing wrong. Everyone who plays a legitimate game account has agreed to let ANet do what they did. If you want to look over the whole thing, it's at [https://guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/](https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/ "https://guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/"). Of special interest is section 14, which spells out dispute resolution, for anyone who wants to appeal their ban. > > > Such contracts are destroyed on daily basis in courts, don't worry. Use Agreement contract is not law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Rhiannon.1726" said: > When you already have a problem with GW2 collecting data to identify cheat programs, I hope you don't have steam or discord. > > BTW have you read the user agreement for GW2? Thankfully since May 25th UE citizens can ignore the silly contract that is User Agreement and demand Anet to show and delete all data in relation to the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Galaa.8475" said: > I'm sure this has been said in these 22 pages. You guys got caught, be grown ups that you always wanted to be, or pretend to be grown ups and do what you think a grown up mature person would do. Take responsibility for your actions and quit crying about it. Quit blaming Anet for your actions. Deal with the consequences of YOUR actions and go on with life. What did Anet found out exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToPNoP.2493 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I am just happy to have a bot free game. In gaming, there is nothing worse than having some person write smack over winning when they actually did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Legit Prep In.5893" said: > > @"Vault Girl.6792" said: > > > @"Aeolus.3615" said: > > > I dont get it.... explain to me > > > > > > If Anet detects/search software inside your computer? what does that means? > > > > > > IF Anet detects 3rd party tools messing up with mem stored values that's another and totally diferent story, wich makes valid ban. > > > > > > Now dont tell me that "Woops!, Iwas cheating on the wrong exe".... > > > > > > Still... if CE enventually worked that well on Gw2... shame on u Anet... lel > > > > The problem is that Anet didn't check whether CE is changing anything in GW2. They just banned everyone who had it open, without even checking what process is getting monitored there. > > ^that is exactly the point of discussion that should be here. Having a Tor browser open doesn't automatically make you a crack and weaponsdealer either. I doubt that was what they were done,(i doubt that's legal on EU countries, and Anet knows it much better than i do) something needs to trigger some suspicious alerts/changes on mem data for Anet know players has CE open, and for sure Anet readed the logs of the changed data reaching their servers for sure. And players assuming that they cheated on other games, while "("I supose")" it was detected with gw2 CE was functioning, how many players were cheating other game while playing gw2 at same time now, if u dont have the CE scripts for gw2 CE wont interact with it..... I use CE and even some decompilers myself for testing and sometimes i forgot to remove it from tray icon as well, altough i didnt used it in the last 2 months, still i doubt i would be effected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derd.6413 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"eoz.1834" said: > I'm thinking to sue Arenanet because I didn't accept or allow them to spy my files or collect my information film it, i could use a good laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limodriver.4106 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 did u sue Facebook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrivs.4501 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"eoz.1834" said: > I'm thinking to sue Arenanet because I didn't accept or allow them to spy my files or collect my information You accepted their user agreement because you wanted to play their game, so yes you did. Good luck in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derd.6413 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Belorn.2659" said: > I doubt there will be any legal issues of this, but I find it utterly disrespectful to not delete the information about users which has done nothing. Sure there might be others that do worse things (Facebook?), but this is suppose to be a game that we do for enjoyment. Why ruin that when they can just delete the collateral damage from this intrusion? > > Is it really too much to ask that they act a bit customer friendly and delete the collected information? all that the collected data would do for anet at this point is take up space on their servers, so i'm pretty confident it will get deleted. (probably already is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizel.8175 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Jesus Christ... All this pseudo-legal-babbling from people with no knowledge about law is pi**ing me off. Just because to parties have agreed on certain terms doesn't mean that that's legal. We have consumer protection laws which regulate what's legal and what's not. There are so many lawsuits every year about ToS that people should learn that ToS - or at least parts of them - aren't necessarily legal. ...and all the white-knighting here... I don't know what's wrong with all of you people. Back in the old days, it was fairly common to use cheats for single-player-games to enhance the gaming experience. Stuff like GTA would be a prime example. If ANet is incompetent to implement a decent cheat-detection-program into their game which recognized that people have indeed cheated in (!) GW2, then that's entirely ANets fault. Feels like we're back in the dark middle ages with all these darwinistic opinions here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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