Twoodi.5849 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Shikigami.4013" said: > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > See my post from about an hour before: > "If people would understand that ArenaNet is not obligated to prove that anyone was cheating in order to ban them, this thread would be 20% smaller." > > They don't need evidence. They need to want to ban/suspend you, nothing else. They wanted to suspend people having cheat software active while playing their game. They did. Story over. No justification needed. > > As an unrelated note, about the weird "data security" discussion which popped up despite having nothing to do with the process scanning of the PC: Purchases of gems and even the game are made via DigitalRiver. I doubt that ArenaNet even has your payment info when you buy something. Also, they don't need your personal info, address, age, or whatever you may fear might be stolen. All you are to them is an accountname. Or do you remember having to give them any of that info when making your account? Because I sure do not. So if ANET banned you tomorrow you would be perfectly fine with that? Cheat engine is not inherently used for cheating as anet admitted themselves "those programs have other, more benign uses." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo.6140 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 People who are complaining that data has been sent are probably using things like facebook, whatsapp or steam and only complain for the sake of complaining now. Also Anet has a department for legal questions and probably made sure that everything was legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. > > Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I wonder how many people saying that false positives are for the greater good would be willing to delete their own accounts to show solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETheLucid.3964 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ashen.2907" said: > I wonder how many people saying that false positives are for the greater good would be willing to delete their own accounts to show solidarity. Even the guilty ones are free to come back in 6 months though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. Oh please wise one, show us where Anet said they used "Spyware" to track you. I'll wait on this, because i know your going to have to stretch to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > > > > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > > > > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. > > > > Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. > > > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > Oh dear oh dear.. of course it got leaked... it always would of and by who.. the same people who develop the hack because they can monitor the detection their end.. that's why its a game of cat and mouse and why it wont be useable again.. logic is hard I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > > > > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > > > > > > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > > > > > > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. > > > > > > Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. > > > > > > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > > Oh dear oh dear.. of course it got leaked... it always would of and by who.. the same people who develop the hack because they can monitor the detection their end.. that's why its a game of cat and mouse and why it wont be useable again.. logic is hard I know > Nice cop out. You said we don't know their method, but we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoodi.5849 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > > > > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > > > > > > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > > > > > > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. > > > > > > Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. > > > > > > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > > Oh dear oh dear.. of course it got leaked... it always would of and by who.. the same people who develop the hack because they can monitor the detection their end.. that's why its a game of cat and mouse and why it wont be useable again.. logic is hard I know > The guy who discovered it is the CTO of Emisoft it is his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > Oh please wise one, show us where Anet said they used "Spyware" to track you. > > I'll wait on this, because i know your going to have to stretch to get there. > They didn't need to say, they simply confirmed the suspicions with their 2nd announcement and deleting their own twitter post. They cannot know what programs you run when they are not even attached to GW2 without using something at least remotely resembling a spyware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffler.1257 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 So many mad cheaters in this thread xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > > > > > > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > > > > > > > > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > > > > > > > > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. > > > > > > > > Doh that's just part of it that's the bit they can and will let us know.. there will be a lot more behind it before and that's the stuff you and I wont get to know about.. for obvious reasons. > > > > > > > > > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > > > > Oh dear oh dear.. of course it got leaked... it always would of and by who.. the same people who develop the hack because they can monitor the detection their end.. that's why its a game of cat and mouse and why it wont be useable again.. logic is hard I know > > > > Nice cop out. You said we don't know their method, but we do. No. We know as much as we know about what they used but we do not know anything about what they do internally with it, the processes they go through and what they will be doing next.. if any, which is my concern around all this.. this should be something that becomes a regular thing that drives deeper each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > > > Oh please wise one, show us where Anet said they used "Spyware" to track you. > > > > I'll wait on this, because i know your going to have to stretch to get there. > > > > They didn't need to say, they simply confirmed the suspicions with their 2nd announcement and deleting their own twitter post. They cannot know what programs you run when they are not even attached to GW2 without using something at least remotely resembling a spyware. Not true at all. Thanks for playing though! It is quite nice to see that you can at least admit they didn't say the used spyware, nor are you or the post you're inevitably going to bring up remotely technically accurate. It is one possibility, it's the least likely possibility as the person who wrote it has an extreme bias seeing as they got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIHL.2489 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 To my haters. Well enjoy the ban. I hope you take this time to reflect on the futile nature of cheating in an MMO, and keep it to MOBA's where it belongs. Jokes aside, for those trying to call me ill informed, or whatever, It's clear none of you have been reading the other posts about cheat programs, and the like on these forums, or maybe just stopped in enjoy the salt, and I don't blame you for dismissing those topics and posts, I mean, there is a level of security that comes from being able to get away with something for months, even years, that breeds contempt. But, if you had followed those posts, you would have known that Gaile Gray explained that they follow accounts for months, not days, not weeks, months and even years, before acting to ensure that they are not just getting some random false positive, or it being some one time fluke. That is why Anet is no longer discussing this. They have done their home work, and gave you all enough time to hang yourself. That is also why no one who had read any of the other topics about cheaters cares to hear your whines today. Enjoy your Ban.. **you earned it!** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"CETheLucid.3964" said: > > @"Ashen.2907" said: > > I wonder how many people saying that false positives are for the greater good would be willing to delete their own accounts to show solidarity. > > Even the guilty ones are free to come back in 6 months though? Solid point. Uninstall for six months then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avelione.6075 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 OHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I DON'T like that alleged spyware installed by ANet in myyy computer! But who knows if it's really true? I don't even wanna check reddit for that. In a way I understand that they needed some way to detect spyware BUUUT in leaves me with many questions and.... I REALLy wanna get my trust back! Don't be like ugly corporations! please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETheLucid.3964 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ashen.2907" said: > > @"CETheLucid.3964" said: > > > @"Ashen.2907" said: > > > I wonder how many people saying that false positives are for the greater good would be willing to delete their own accounts to show solidarity. > > > > Even the guilty ones are free to come back in 6 months though? > > Solid point. > > Uninstall for six months then? Assuming the banned ones aren't using their not-banned alts, sure. Or else it just becomes "don't use your main account for 6 months". B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoodi.5849 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"STIHL.2489" said: > To my haters. > > Well enjoy the ban. I hope you take this time to reflect on the futile nature of cheating in an MMO, and keep it to MOBA's where it belongs. > > Jokes aside, for those trying to call me ill informed, or whatever, It's clear none of you have been reading the other posts about cheat programs, and the like on these forums, or maybe just stopped in enjoy the salt, and I don't blame you for dismissing those topics and posts, I mean, there is a level of security that comes from being able to get away with something for months, even years, that breeds contempt. > > But, if you had followed those posts, you would have known that Gaile Gray explained that they follow accounts for months, not days, not weeks, months and even years, before acting to ensure that they are not just getting some random false positive, or it being some one time fluke. That is why Anet is no longer discussing this. They have done their home work, and gave you all enough time to hang yourself. > > That is also why no one who had read any of the other topics about cheaters cares to hear your whines today. > > Enjoy your Ban.. **you earned it!** They never said how long they followed the accounts for and they never investigated any accounts manually or individually for cheating. They have already backtracked and said they are now accepting appeals on the suspensions, which pretty much is them admitting fault. They just saw people were running a perfectly legitimate program with a spooky name cheat engine (Gaile themselves said: those programs have other, more benign uses.) and made an assumption without using their other tools to confirm if people were cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazzarr.1349 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Avelione.6075" said: > OHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I DON'T like that alleged spyware installed by ANet in myyy computer! But who knows if it's really true? I don't even wanna check reddit for that. In a way I understand that they needed some way to detect spyware BUUUT in leaves me with many questions and.... I REALLy wanna get my trust back! Don't be like ugly corporations! please! Their software itself would be able to detect when it’s operating outside of its normal parameters. They would just have to turn some sort of trace on to track and record these events. This would be one reason why it would take some time to gather enough information on a given user to ensure they truly were cheating. They don’t have to “spy” on your computer processes for this. Bye cheaters ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindcircus.1506 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > On a side note, this is now the biggest and longest thread for the New Forums. Congrats! :) > > Yeah.. and I think this is possibly the most posts I have ever written in support of anets actions.. I deserved some white shiny armor to wear in game now apparently. :) New path to Legendary Armor confirmed ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETheLucid.3964 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Avelione.6075" said: > OHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I DON'T like that alleged spyware installed by ANet in myyy computer! But who knows if it's really true? I don't even wanna check reddit for that. In a way I understand that they needed some way to detect spyware BUUUT in leaves me with many questions and.... I REALLy wanna get my trust back! Don't be like ugly corporations! please! Anet hasn't violated my trust in the past that I should be suspect of them. I seriously doubt Anet cares or documents anything running on your system other than the cheat tools they're looking for. That it might include someones instance of HuniePop.exe isn't going to be cataloged and used against you. I certainly hope not at any rate and if it turns out I'm wrong, I'll eat my words and join the resistance. But at the moment it's pretty much looking like 99% of the folks here are just booty bothered they got caught with their pants on their head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikigami.4013 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > @"Shikigami.4013" said: > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > See my post from about an hour before: > > "If people would understand that ArenaNet is not obligated to prove that anyone was cheating in order to ban them, this thread would be 20% smaller." > > > > They don't need evidence. They need to want to ban/suspend you, nothing else. They wanted to suspend people having cheat software active while playing their game. They did. Story over. No justification needed. > > > > As an unrelated note, about the weird "data security" discussion which popped up despite having nothing to do with the process scanning of the PC: Purchases of gems and even the game are made via DigitalRiver. I doubt that ArenaNet even has your payment info when you buy something. Also, they don't need your personal info, address, age, or whatever you may fear might be stolen. All you are to them is an accountname. Or do you remember having to give them any of that info when making your account? Because I sure do not. > > So if ANET banned you tomorrow you would be perfectly fine with that? > Irrelevant as I am not having any cheatsoftware open that they would want to ban for. I don't care for hypothetical scenarios that people always bring up when it comes to discussions about actions against cheaters (it is totally the same with discussions about afk farmers) > > Cheat engine is not inherently used for cheating as anet admitted themselves "those programs have other, more benign uses." Irrelevant. You can also not argue that you want to buy a tank and use it to drive to work because you feel safer in it and it can be used "for other, more benign uses" than war. Nor can you argue that you want to enter an airplane with a bread knife in your hands, although that knife was not even made for any evil purpose. All that matters is that the state doesn't want tanks on the street, airlines don't want people with knives on their planes and ArenaNet does not want people in their game who have these programs open while playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerks.3172 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"TexZero.7910" said: > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > They didn't let us know, it was discovered by other people. Anet only mentioned it after it was leaked. Meaning they screwed up. > > Oh please wise one, show us where Anet said they used "Spyware" to track you. > > I'll wait on this, because i know your going to have to stretch to get there. 5 hours this post was released https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/8c2j0y/a_technical_analysis_of_the_spyware_arena_used/, ANET comes out with their own post stating "1516 accounts were suspended because we detected that the accounts were running Guild Wars 2 at the same time as one or more of the following programs over a significant number of hours during a multi-week period earlier this year. " The program was covertly inserted into the update on March 6th and was pulled out on March 27th to gather information without mentioning it on their builds/updates. So Yes it's a spyware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euryon.9248 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Nezekan.2671" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"vesica tempestas.1563" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more obtrusive data gathering than Anet does now and more accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less obtrusive data gathering and less accuracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or what they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU WANT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want ANET to actually investigate accounts properly which we know they already have the tools to do instead of just making wild accusations based on assumptions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW EXACTLY? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more FACTS, less FACTS or as they do just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What facts? Suspending for a user for having cheat engine open without evidence of them using it maliciously is not a good enough reason to ban users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again.. please enlighten us as to how you arrived at that assumption stop feeding of other posters assumptions and provide your evidence to show how your investigation has proven your conspiracy theory here. > > > > > > > > > > If ANET have just banned players without any kind of due process and due diligence and you can prove that then put your money where your conspiracy theories sit and go full angry mode. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise its just you pushing heresay and conjecture out for effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they deleted their tweet about the bans and amateurishly revealed their method of detection speaks volumes. Also Anet has the slowest support reply time of all MMOs and they said "no appeals" meaning they did no due diligence or process, or they would be open to share it. They already revealed their method, not that it was hidden, other people realized their method sooner than their announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you go again making baseless accusations.. share that proof they have the slowest support reply times of any MMO.. not that it is in anyway related to this topic. > > > > > > > > How does saying "no appeals" prove they did no due process or diligence".. if you have worked in that area for as long as I have you would absolutely be thinking to make such a statement they must of gone through due process and due diligence. > > > > > > > > I am sure if you can put a case together will real facts and evidence ANET will likely share what they did and found and how the decision was arrived at, but that's between you and them. However, of course if you are indeed still found to be "less than upstanding" I would fully support ANET putting that out here for us all to see. > > > > > > > > What they revealed was something, but they would never in a million years disclose everything about their detection methods, criteria, process etc.. that would be just plain stupid on their part and the hackdevs would have a field day rushing to revise their hacks quicker than they already are/have.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up, they already have. They can never catch cheaters again with this method. As we speak, the hackers are improving their tools to counter this sort of detection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have played quite a bit of MMOs, none of them have average response time of 7 days. If you know of one, I'm all years. Even if you do, their response times are still quite long. Much longer than acceptable levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that they lied initially with their suspensions speaks volumes. Their initial response did not mention they banned everyone who merely had this applications. There goes the transparency and honesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have made mistakes in the past, big ones, when it comes to bans, yet they have the audacity to claim they are absolutely right and don't allow appeals. Its ultimately ab a bad policy and not something you'd expect from someone who have done their homework. Its obvious from how they handled the situation already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OMG.. so your basing your facts on your own gaming experience of support... hmm thinking about that i could assume you have quite the support history there ...i will hold that thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the hackdevs are fixing their own hacks its what they do.. its a game of cat and mouse, which is why its a timely and expensive game to play.. believe it or not its not my first rodeo either. > > > > > > So your saying ANET lied now... based on - yip your assumptions and those of others pleading innocents.. we already went from you only using arcdps/taco, your friend not being competent to find, install and use such application but infact has to now you both having cheat engine and anet are now lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep agree ANET have made mistakes, I am someone that likes to point that out from time to time but that does not mean they have here just because a few alt accounts of banned players are getting revoked and a lot of heresay.I could say you have made some glaringly big mistakes all through this thread .. for anet to actually make such a definitive statement of no appeals suggests they have done their homework and arrived at the answers and your one of those answers.. so climb out of that deep hole and put a factually correct and honest case together and I bet you will be back in game sooner than you think.. or maybe not if anet prove to you otherwise. > > > > > > Eitherway I don't care if your out for 6 months or back in playing again cos you proved you were right, but I wish you all the best if you try. > > > > > > > > > > Its not hard to make a simple search about support response times in GW2. You will get loads of complaints both on this websites and elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't mean Anet is not an amateur in revealing their detection method. Because they are. > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I don't care. I either want a full refund or my account back because I did not do anything wrong. You are the one who looks silly by white knighting questionable ethics and policies. > > > > > > > > Haha now that is a new one for me on this forum.. white knight hmmm others may argue with you on that one.. amirite ANET :) > > > > > > > > They revealed that they had been monitoring processes and malicious code.. nothing more.. I would bet their detection methods are far more involved than what you think you might of seen or heard from others. > > > > > > > > So you have zero proof of the whole worst support time thing.. thought so - moving on! > > > > > > They are just being overzealous and for some reason you decide to support them. Its your business not mine. > > > > > > I think you have not fully read what have been revealed. We now know the _exact _way Anet monitored people. > > > > No you don't. and you never will not on here leastways > > Lol, I suggest you go read then. > > We know the date the injected their API into client and when they removed it. We also know which API they used. Its that simple. It will not work again in terms of detecting hacks. Why would you say something like that unless you were a part of the hacker community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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