GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > They were cheating. And got caught. Period. The assumption is they were cheating. What anet knows is that they had running cheat engine. There is no confirmation it was used to hack GW2. Most of them probably are indeed cheaters, but since 50+ bans are already lifted some more false positives may be waiting in CS queues asking for mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not defending. it's making people understand the risks they take with 3rd party software and how it affects their access to the game. I respect the agreement I sign every time I sign into the game; it's there for a reason because I know it protects me,the game and Anet. That's why I still have my access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know that everything on your PC that is not coming from Anet is 3rd party? This means windows, drivers, notepad, weather app, skype, discord, your personal notes and the list goes on. Do not let developer exploit their right to protect the game giving out bans based on assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well looking at the excuses that the hack devs are asking their haxster communities to now use and appeal with speaks volumes for things that are already making there way into this thread.. like I said go do some digging and then maybe you will begin to understand that trying to play S J W on this is not so clear cut as you seem to think or maybe don't want to allude to. > > > > > > > > Those few accounts that are having bans revoked all had previous history.. if it were up to me they would of had perma bans the first time round. > > > > > > > > Your false flag theory has to have had some fire to create the smoke in the first place, ANET just have a history of going soft on players that cheat. > > > > > > > > Its no coincidence the game is rife with farming minions and pvp speed hack issues etc... but of course it must all be down to ANET being the bad guy when they finally decide to ban a few of the offenders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets apply this cheat engine logic to you shall we: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep visiting a forum dedicated to hacking in guild wars 2, and you may or may not be hacking but we don't want to put in the time or effort to check manually so we will just ban you just to be safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was never suspended before today and ANET in the past banned players for dying after falling down some stairs for speed hacking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET is sometimes the bad guy and its okay to call them out on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > omg I totally forgot this case of banning for stairs, it was hilarious and truly showed how professional they are > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why people are defending the company. They are people too, they make mistakes, every day. > > > > > > > > > > Your absolutely correct humans make mistakes.. the mistake ANET has made is reversing the bans on those players that already have a history of botting/hacking etc as they have already highlighted.. no smoke without fire Khel > > > > > > > > No? So how about those people accused of speedhacking when it turned outto be Anet's mistake and faulty tech? This is exactly case of smoke without fire and trigger happy security agent. > > > > > > Why are you living in the past.. that was then this is now.. no one is saying that anet hasn't made errors, they put them right, they compensated for it.. this is NOW and those bans that are being revoked are already players that have history and something has flagged them again, but this time ANET has given them a pass. > > > As I have said I am starting to think there is a reason you are continually trying to push this S J W crusade when the real issue is how ANET should and must make a stronger more resilient effort in combating the cheats. > > > > Exactly ... so Anet makes mistakes ... that's not a compelling reason for Anet to not police the game for cheaters and hackers. > > Cheaters make mistakes too. That's no reason to flag them and monitor their actions after suspension are over. > > See how ridiculous this argument is? The parole system says otherwise. 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Ashantara.8731 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Belorn.2659" said: > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIHL.2489 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 @""Jinks.2057" No, anyone that expects any one to believe that they were running a _benign hack program_, my bad... I mean a _benign hex editor program_ in the background while playing GW2, has lost all credit to their stand. No one believes this, no one, and the people that parrot it, are just digging a deeper hole of contempt for themselves. There is no problem here, Anet has openly said in their ToS and EULA, that they may, at their discretion, monitor our gaming activity, and the programs our computer may run, (quoted a few times in this topic, they even put in all-cap, so you know it was important), this was not stealth move on their part, where they did something without our knowledge or permission, because, if you disagreed with allowing them to do that, you had every right to cancel your service with them. Now, if this is an issue for you, you can at this time, cease your service with Anet, but, don't expect a large following, as almost no one believes you are victims, and even fewer would quit a game in solidarity with cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not defending. it's making people understand the risks they take with 3rd party software and how it affects their access to the game. I respect the agreement I sign every time I sign into the game; it's there for a reason because I know it protects me,the game and Anet. That's why I still have my access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know that everything on your PC that is not coming from Anet is 3rd party? This means windows, drivers, notepad, weather app, skype, discord, your personal notes and the list goes on. Do not let developer exploit their right to protect the game giving out bans based on assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well looking at the excuses that the hack devs are asking their haxster communities to now use and appeal with speaks volumes for things that are already making there way into this thread.. like I said go do some digging and then maybe you will begin to understand that trying to play S J W on this is not so clear cut as you seem to think or maybe don't want to allude to. > > > > > > > > > Those few accounts that are having bans revoked all had previous history.. if it were up to me they would of had perma bans the first time round. > > > > > > > > > Your false flag theory has to have had some fire to create the smoke in the first place, ANET just have a history of going soft on players that cheat. > > > > > > > > > Its no coincidence the game is rife with farming minions and pvp speed hack issues etc... but of course it must all be down to ANET being the bad guy when they finally decide to ban a few of the offenders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets apply this cheat engine logic to you shall we: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep visiting a forum dedicated to hacking in guild wars 2, and you may or may not be hacking but we don't want to put in the time or effort to check manually so we will just ban you just to be safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was never suspended before today and ANET in the past banned players for dying after falling down some stairs for speed hacking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET is sometimes the bad guy and its okay to call them out on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omg I totally forgot this case of banning for stairs, it was hilarious and truly showed how professional they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why people are defending the company. They are people too, they make mistakes, every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your absolutely correct humans make mistakes.. the mistake ANET has made is reversing the bans on those players that already have a history of botting/hacking etc as they have already highlighted.. no smoke without fire Khel > > > > > > > > > > No? So how about those people accused of speedhacking when it turned outto be Anet's mistake and faulty tech? This is exactly case of smoke without fire and trigger happy security agent. > > > > > > > > Why are you living in the past.. that was then this is now.. no one is saying that anet hasn't made errors, they put them right, they compensated for it.. this is NOW and those bans that are being revoked are already players that have history and something has flagged them again, but this time ANET has given them a pass. > > > > As I have said I am starting to think there is a reason you are continually trying to push this S J W crusade when the real issue is how ANET should and must make a stronger more resilient effort in combating the cheats. > > > > > > Exactly ... so Anet makes mistakes ... that's not a compelling reason for Anet to not police the game for cheaters and hackers. > > > > Cheaters make mistakes too. That's no reason to flag them and monitor their actions after suspension are over. > > > > See how ridiculous this argument is? > > The parole system says otherwise. Anet is neither police not the judge. Anet and customers are on equal ground here and anet has no special powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your continual disdain of ANET in this matter and your vehement support for those banned is beginning to make me think your are in some way affected by this otherwise why do you keep making these baseless remarks.. provide some proof of what was done and what was not done by those affected, prove what anet has or has not done breaks any kind of law and then we can all rejoice and praise joko! > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET has already come out and said they will be lifting the ban on a small number of accounts.. but those accounts have already been caught in a botting or hacking incident previously so something has triggered a flag on them again.. but they have been let off this time.. feel good for them. > > > > > > > > > > Your assumptions are wrong then. You can see me in game this afternoon if you need confirmation. I'm not defending rightfully banned. I'm defending myself as a customers from future possible mistakes from Anet's "careful investigations". > > > > > > > > If you don't violate the EULA, you don't have to defend yourself from future possible mistakes. The risk is on the player. > > > > > > You mean UA, not EULA. Anet has history of banning people wrongfully. So not breaking their rules in no way protects me from their mistakes. > > > > > > I just remembered the case at release when people were speed leveling to lvl 80. Some used an exploit and then were banned, but world first level 80 didn't and they still banned him. MO himself apologised on reddit, you can still find his post there. > > > > > > So please, stop convincing me about being safe when Anet is involved. They made many mistakes in the past. They are only people. > > > > Hey, if you don't feel safe from Anet, don't play their games. Otherwise, you accept your CHOICE to be subjected to their behaviour as a corporation. I don't patronize companies that treat me poorly, and neither should you. That's YOUR choice to make. > > I presented examples aka facts about anet making mistakes in the past. Therefore I have no reason to believe when they say there is no room for mistake on their part. I paid for the game multiple times and I'm not going away because they will not refund me. Also being responsible for my well being as their customer, I expect them to read all the feedback I give them. It's not for you to judge. And if your only argument is "don't like it - get out" then be warned that I am not going to continue discussing your nonsense. Yes they have made errors in the past but those errors were bourne out of specifics that got them flagged.. something had to trigger it. When looking into their methods and processes they came back and admitted oversight has found the errors and they acted on it unreservedly. Will errors happen again.. of course they will but if your playing the game without the need to have additional things running in the background that are known to be potentially malicious, provide advantage or anything else that goes against the ToS then you have nothing to worry about imo... What your failing to understand is something caused the error not just human error but for ANET to openly go into detail about it only serves to help those responsible for developing these nefarious bits of code so they admitted error and got it sorted. This time round they gave a few players with known history of the same offenses a pass, so praise joko they acted in good faith or were they too soft.. time will tell if those same players get snagged again and come here to try to pull more wool over our eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Given how ANet police's this forum and their game and can ban us, I'm going to say we are not equal and they do have special powers. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"STIHL.2489" said: > @""Jinks.2057" > > No, anyone that expects any one to believe that they were running a _benign hack program_, my bad... I mean a _benign hex editor program_ in the background while playing GW2, has lost all credit to their stand. No one believes this, no one, and the people that parrot it, are just digging a deeper hole of contempt for themselves. > > There is no problem here, Anet has openly said in their ToS and EULA, that they may, at their discretion, monitor our gaming activity, and the programs our computer may run, (quoted a few times in this topic, they even put in all-cap, so you know it was important), this was not stealth move on their part, where they did something without our knowledge or permission, because, if you disagreed with allowing them to do that, you had every right to cancel your service with them. > > Now, if this is an issue for you, you can at this time, cease your service with Anet, but, don't expect a large following, as almost no one believes you are victims, and even fewer would quit a game in solidarity with cheaters. Since you probably didn;t read whole thread, just a reminder that the only app in question is cheat engine as it has more uses than simply hacking games. This gives possibility of false positive results and some innocent players might have been rewarded with unjustified suspensions. Others apps from waht I read are directed into hacking GW2 so in their cases bans are most likely justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not defending. it's making people understand the risks they take with 3rd party software and how it affects their access to the game. I respect the agreement I sign every time I sign into the game; it's there for a reason because I know it protects me,the game and Anet. That's why I still have my access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know that everything on your PC that is not coming from Anet is 3rd party? This means windows, drivers, notepad, weather app, skype, discord, your personal notes and the list goes on. Do not let developer exploit their right to protect the game giving out bans based on assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well looking at the excuses that the hack devs are asking their haxster communities to now use and appeal with speaks volumes for things that are already making there way into this thread.. like I said go do some digging and then maybe you will begin to understand that trying to play S J W on this is not so clear cut as you seem to think or maybe don't want to allude to. > > > > > > > > Those few accounts that are having bans revoked all had previous history.. if it were up to me they would of had perma bans the first time round. > > > > > > > > Your false flag theory has to have had some fire to create the smoke in the first place, ANET just have a history of going soft on players that cheat. > > > > > > > > Its no coincidence the game is rife with farming minions and pvp speed hack issues etc... but of course it must all be down to ANET being the bad guy when they finally decide to ban a few of the offenders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets apply this cheat engine logic to you shall we: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep visiting a forum dedicated to hacking in guild wars 2, and you may or may not be hacking but we don't want to put in the time or effort to check manually so we will just ban you just to be safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was never suspended before today and ANET in the past banned players for dying after falling down some stairs for speed hacking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET is sometimes the bad guy and its okay to call them out on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > omg I totally forgot this case of banning for stairs, it was hilarious and truly showed how professional they are > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why people are defending the company. They are people too, they make mistakes, every day. > > > > > > > > > > Your absolutely correct humans make mistakes.. the mistake ANET has made is reversing the bans on those players that already have a history of botting/hacking etc as they have already highlighted.. no smoke without fire Khel > > > > > > > > No? So how about those people accused of speedhacking when it turned outto be Anet's mistake and faulty tech? This is exactly case of smoke without fire and trigger happy security agent. > > > > > > Why are you living in the past.. that was then this is now.. no one is saying that anet hasn't made errors, they put them right, they compensated for it.. this is NOW and those bans that are being revoked are already players that have history and something has flagged them again, but this time ANET has given them a pass. > > > As I have said I am starting to think there is a reason you are continually trying to push this S J W crusade when the real issue is how ANET should and must make a stronger more resilient effort in combating the cheats. > > > > Exactly ... so Anet makes mistakes ... that's not a compelling reason for Anet to not police the game for cheaters and hackers. > > Cheaters make mistakes too. That's no reason to flag them and monitor their actions after suspension are over. > > See how ridiculous this argument is? Yes .. I see how ridiculous that argument is...just saying :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not defending. it's making people understand the risks they take with 3rd party software and how it affects their access to the game. I respect the agreement I sign every time I sign into the game; it's there for a reason because I know it protects me,the game and Anet. That's why I still have my access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know that everything on your PC that is not coming from Anet is 3rd party? This means windows, drivers, notepad, weather app, skype, discord, your personal notes and the list goes on. Do not let developer exploit their right to protect the game giving out bans based on assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well looking at the excuses that the hack devs are asking their haxster communities to now use and appeal with speaks volumes for things that are already making there way into this thread.. like I said go do some digging and then maybe you will begin to understand that trying to play S J W on this is not so clear cut as you seem to think or maybe don't want to allude to. > > > > > > > > > > Those few accounts that are having bans revoked all had previous history.. if it were up to me they would of had perma bans the first time round. > > > > > > > > > > Your false flag theory has to have had some fire to create the smoke in the first place, ANET just have a history of going soft on players that cheat. > > > > > > > > > > Its no coincidence the game is rife with farming minions and pvp speed hack issues etc... but of course it must all be down to ANET being the bad guy when they finally decide to ban a few of the offenders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets apply this cheat engine logic to you shall we: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep visiting a forum dedicated to hacking in guild wars 2, and you may or may not be hacking but we don't want to put in the time or effort to check manually so we will just ban you just to be safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was never suspended before today and ANET in the past banned players for dying after falling down some stairs for speed hacking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET is sometimes the bad guy and its okay to call them out on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omg I totally forgot this case of banning for stairs, it was hilarious and truly showed how professional they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why people are defending the company. They are people too, they make mistakes, every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your absolutely correct humans make mistakes.. the mistake ANET has made is reversing the bans on those players that already have a history of botting/hacking etc as they have already highlighted.. no smoke without fire Khel > > > > > > > > > > > > No? So how about those people accused of speedhacking when it turned outto be Anet's mistake and faulty tech? This is exactly case of smoke without fire and trigger happy security agent. > > > > > > > > > > Why are you living in the past.. that was then this is now.. no one is saying that anet hasn't made errors, they put them right, they compensated for it.. this is NOW and those bans that are being revoked are already players that have history and something has flagged them again, but this time ANET has given them a pass. > > > > > As I have said I am starting to think there is a reason you are continually trying to push this S J W crusade when the real issue is how ANET should and must make a stronger more resilient effort in combating the cheats. > > > > > > > > Exactly ... so Anet makes mistakes ... that's not a compelling reason for Anet to not police the game for cheaters and hackers. > > > > > > Cheaters make mistakes too. That's no reason to flag them and monitor their actions after suspension are over. > > > > > > See how ridiculous this argument is? > > > > The parole system says otherwise. > > Anet is neither police not the judge. Anet and customers are on equal ground here and anet has no special powers. Pretty sure you got that ever so slightly wrong there.. like a country mile kinda wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptAurellian.9537 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Belorn.2659" said: > > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. > > What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Belorn.2659" said: > > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. > > What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. There's a post on reddit explaining what they did. They did those scans to see what programs are active on your computre, they didn't do it locally but they did it after sending this data to their servers (where they will most likely be instantly deleted upon check) and people are going ballistic, assuming everything bad without a single bit of skepticisim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Twoodi.5849" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It raises more questions because you are basically admitting you have no evidence of people cheating but detected they have the program open at the same time which according to you is good enough reason to ban users for 6 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right ... people only have the software in question OPEN on their computers while playing the game ... they don't actually use it :confounded: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheatengine, despite the name, is not used exclusively for cheating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe ... but that's the player's risk isn't it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhm no, this is not like bringing a gun to a school, this is like having a bread knife, you having this tool doesn't automatically mean you used it to hack gw2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not like bringing a gun to school or a bread knife. It's like breaking the terms of the agreement you have with Anet every time you log into the game. You're like the other guy ... you don't seem to understand what you pay for when you play this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are defending Anet now but with such lackluster systems like they have, one day you can be rewarded with unjustified ban by them. On that day, you gonna change your stance on this subject. You should respect yourself as a customer and never trust companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your continual disdain of ANET in this matter and your vehement support for those banned is beginning to make me think your are in some way affected by this otherwise why do you keep making these baseless remarks.. provide some proof of what was done and what was not done by those affected, prove what anet has or has not done breaks any kind of law and then we can all rejoice and praise joko! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANET has already come out and said they will be lifting the ban on a small number of accounts.. but those accounts have already been caught in a botting or hacking incident previously so something has triggered a flag on them again.. but they have been let off this time.. feel good for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your assumptions are wrong then. You can see me in game this afternoon if you need confirmation. I'm not defending rightfully banned. I'm defending myself as a customers from future possible mistakes from Anet's "careful investigations". > > > > > > > > > > If you don't violate the EULA, you don't have to defend yourself from future possible mistakes. The risk is on the player. > > > > > > > > You mean UA, not EULA. Anet has history of banning people wrongfully. So not breaking their rules in no way protects me from their mistakes. > > > > > > > > I just remembered the case at release when people were speed leveling to lvl 80. Some used an exploit and then were banned, but world first level 80 didn't and they still banned him. MO himself apologised on reddit, you can still find his post there. > > > > > > > > So please, stop convincing me about being safe when Anet is involved. They made many mistakes in the past. They are only people. > > > > > > Hey, if you don't feel safe from Anet, don't play their games. Otherwise, you accept your CHOICE to be subjected to their behaviour as a corporation. I don't patronize companies that treat me poorly, and neither should you. That's YOUR choice to make. > > > > I presented examples aka facts about anet making mistakes in the past. Therefore I have no reason to believe when they say there is no room for mistake on their part. I paid for the game multiple times and I'm not going away because they will not refund me. Also being responsible for my well being as their customer, I expect them to read all the feedback I give them. It's not for you to judge. And if your only argument is "don't like it - get out" then be warned that I am not going to continue discussing your nonsense. > > Yes they have made errors in the past but those errors were bourne out of specifics that got them flagged.. something had to trigger it. When looking into their methods and processes they came back and admitted oversight has found the errors and they acted on it unreservedly. > Will errors happen again.. of course they will but if your playing the game without the need to have additional things running in the background that are known to be potentially malicious, provide advantage or anything else that goes against the ToS then you have nothing to worry about imo... > What your failing to understand is something caused the error not just human error but for ANET to openly go into detail about it only serves to help those responsible for developing these nefarious bits of code so they admitted error and got it sorted. > This time round they gave a few players with known history of the same offenses a pass, so praise joko they acted in good faith or were they too soft.. time will tell if those same players get snagged again and come here to try to pull more wool over our eyes. Point is, from the start, that they have no credibility to run a banwave based on faulty method and announce that they are not accepting appeals. False positives are pretty much guaranteed in this case so they should act more humble and based on invidual investigations give innocent players their accounts back - if there are any, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"fireanne.7682" said: > @Nezekan.2671 > That is not really true. When you connect your game client to the internet and enter the game, you are already in public space as your actions can influence other players...in addition, I already said myself that the metaphor is not perfect. It is of course hard to truly compare physical shared space and virtual shared space. > @Kheldorn.5123 > What I mean is, what difference is there between a player running a hack-able program with the game beningly and a player using it to hack the game, when looking from the outside? > Of course hacks of one player cannot in any way damage or influence installed game clients of other players, that is not the nature or extent of the connection. But hacking players still influence other players' gaming experience and have a palpable impact on their gameplay, no? > > As a note, I myself do not like the "no appeal policy" as I also maintain that even one unfairly banned account is wrong. However, I am just stating that if one runs something like Cheatengine together with the game for extended periods of time, that is hardly witch hunt or being really unfair... That depends on what country you are from. Here in Germany you are not in public space by merely connecting to the internet. If you go to a website, you are virtually there and what you post is public, however what you DON'T post is not. So this forum is public space for me right now, but its limited to what I post/upload. Similarly when I'm in GW2 what I do and say in the game is public, as well as my GW2 folder and what I connect to the game, in this case using 3rd party apps WITH GW2, and not simply having it on your PC (which is my case, I was not even running any of these programs). Your analogy sucks because privacy is violated constantly on internet and we still don't have laws in place to combat that. Countries like Germany have taken steps in the right direction, but it not even close to being enough. Denying this is currently a problem is taking the side of large corporations instead of people and Anet has slowly become one of those corporations. They only care about their "reputation" and it doesn't matter to them if they burn a few people who did not cheat in any shape or form. They could have acknowledged Cheat Engine is a very common app with broad uses and but the other programs on their lists are very specific and purely made for cheat, some of them made specially for GW2. They could have looked into cheat engine uses manually and ban the rest, but they didn't Because they do not care. Don't be mistaken. Anet is as bad as EA if not worse, they are just not big enough to make noise. Imagine if Blizzard did something like this, it would create an outrage, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Belorn.2659" said: > > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. > > What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. Wasn't you complaining few weeks ago about dc / crash problems after a patch that was magically fixed with another patch? Well... you know what it was now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > They were cheating. And got caught. Period. > > The assumption is they were cheating. What anet knows is that they had running cheat engine. There is no confirmation it was used to hack GW2. > > Most of them probably are indeed cheaters, but since 50+ bans are already lifted some more false positives may be waiting in CS queues asking for mercy. > Why are you failing to read what they actually wrote.. its not just about cheat engine, there are other stuff as well, which are direct multihack tools for a specific purpose.. cheat engine has some uses aside of actually cheating.. but the again ask yourself why they had it there running to get flagged. Those account bans being revoked have been flagged and already have a history for it, but they were given a pass this time. We don't know what bit of code was found on any particular account.. you are assuming that they did nothing wrong.. you simply have nothing to base that on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > @"Belorn.2659" said: > > > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. > > > > What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. > > Wasn't you complaining few weeks ago about dc / crash problems after a patch that was magically fixed with another patch? Well... you know what it was now Wearing a tinfoil hat also protects you from these conspiracies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynn.1659 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 You should delete your windows 10, since microsoft is getting way more data about you than anet did by just looking at your processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezekan.2671 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 My account is a month old and I did not run cheat engine or any of the listed programs during that one month. I have sent proof in my support ticket and I'm waiting for a response. I will update this thread once I get an answer. I'm banned because cheat engine merely exists in my game or Anet somehow knew I used to run this app previously. I actually hope its the former because the ramification of the latter are just... horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > > They were cheating. And got caught. Period. > > > > The assumption is they were cheating. What anet knows is that they had running cheat engine. There is no confirmation it was used to hack GW2. > > > > Most of them probably are indeed cheaters, but since 50+ bans are already lifted some more false positives may be waiting in CS queues asking for mercy. > > > > Why are you failing to read what they actually wrote.. its not just about cheat engine, there are other stuff as well, which are direct multihack tools for a specific purpose.. cheat engine has some uses aside of actually cheating.. but the again ask yourself why they had it there running to get flagged. > Those account bans being revoked have been flagged and already have a history for it, but they were given a pass this time. We don't know what bit of code was found on any particular account.. you are assuming that they did nothing wrong.. you simply have nothing to base that on Yes, but other stuff is made to hack GW2. Cheat engine has wider range of possible usability that leaves a lot of space for false positives. And if you read carefully, it was already mentioned here that cheat engine related bans are the only ones discussed here as possibility of unjustified bans. Not all of them obviously, but that would only be possible to explain if Anet didn't refuse to accept appeals from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIHL.2489 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"STIHL.2489" said: > > @""Jinks.2057" > > > > No, anyone that expects any one to believe that they were running a _benign hack program_, my bad... I mean a _benign hex editor program_ in the background while playing GW2, has lost all credit to their stand. No one believes this, no one, and the people that parrot it, are just digging a deeper hole of contempt for themselves. > > > > There is no problem here, Anet has openly said in their ToS and EULA, that they may, at their discretion, monitor our gaming activity, and the programs our computer may run, (quoted a few times in this topic, they even put in all-cap, so you know it was important), this was not stealth move on their part, where they did something without our knowledge or permission, because, if you disagreed with allowing them to do that, you had every right to cancel your service with them. > > > > Now, if this is an issue for you, you can at this time, cease your service with Anet, but, don't expect a large following, as almost no one believes you are victims, and even fewer would quit a game in solidarity with cheaters. > > Since you probably didn;t read whole thread, just a reminder that the only app in question is cheat engine as it has more uses than simply hacking games. This gives possibility of false positive results and some innocent players might have been rewarded with unjustified suspensions. > > Others apps from waht I read are directed into hacking GW2 so in their cases bans are most likely justified. Yah.. That is why I said _Benign Hex Editor_ and.. reality check.. No one believes it. I mean really, lets just put this out, if someone is computer savvy enough to both play a involved MMO and work their _Programming Thesis_ (After all people cited _Educational Purposes_) in the background, they are smart enough to at least read the ToS and EULA (as this is going to be their future profession, it behooves them to know what it says) , and know, that doing such could give them a false positive for running a hack program. As such, they also, have no one to blame but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katz.8376 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 lulz... a week ago the forums were "omg anet all these people are haxorzing in wvw and pvp and i have videos to prove it DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!1!eleventy!! phht anet never does anything to stop the hax" yesterday "we banned nearly 1600 accounts because hax" today "OMG ANET YOU BANNED UNFAIRLY" i play with taco and reshade. i tinkered with just the dps meter aspect of arcdps a while back, but after it wore out it's amusement i removed it. i did not use the templates. i'm still playing just fine... in fact WvW seemed... easier last night... >snicker< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > @"Belorn.2659" said: > > > As is known, Anet added in the March 6th patch a piece of spyware to detect cheating software that resulted in the recent suspension wave. In order to do so they also collected and stored every program that people had running on their computer, location on their drive, windows user account names, and possible more. > > > > What makes you come up with such a crazy idea? (LOL) Usually, anti-cheats only scan your RAM for known cheat signatures of running processes and maybe the game files for alterations. None are scanning your complete hard drives and data -- that would slow down performance like hell and also is completely unnecessary for what an anti-cheat is trying to achieve. > > > There's a post on reddit explaining what they did. They did those scans to see what programs are active on your computre, they didn't do it locally but they did it after sending this data to their servers (where they will most likely be instantly deleted upon check) and people are going ballistic, assuming everything bad without a single bit of skepticisim. > Thing is you don't know if they deleted it. Other companies do this locally, anet trasfered all data to their servers. And if what reddit poster says is true, they used unsecured channels making it possible for unathorized person to read the content of this data. Now, we can't say it's what happened. But at the same time you have 0 reason to believe it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebaall.5127 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"STIHL.2489" said: > > @"Firebaall.5127" said: > > > @"STIHL.2489" said: > > > > > Nope, a cheat engine is malicious designed to hack games, as such there is no way a cheat engine can be used _benign_. It's an flat out illegal program you had running on your system as you played GW2. > > > > > > > Well my dude...you just lost whatever argument or Anet apologist stance you tried to take with that gem. It shows that you truly don't know what's going on. Cheatengine despite it's name is an incredibly useful software that has widespread benign use. It's sees heavy use among computer science students and programming enthusiasts alike. > > Oh sure, and I bet people were running a hex editor and debug program in the background while playing GW2.. for _educational purposes_. Yup, totally believable. And any real credit that the hackers wanted to put out.. just went poof. I'm sorry you can't seem to look at this issue critically. It's like arguing with a religious nut that merely relies on belief to support their soapbox, in that no amount of explanation or evidence will sway your preconceived fallacious standings. ...standings that are built on conjecture and ignorant bias. You're wrong here, just like Anet is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > Given how ANet police's this forum and their game and can ban us, I'm going to say we are not equal and they do have special powers. > > Obviously. They certainly have the right to ban anyone they want from the game or any other space they own. That is not the problem. What happens in someone else's computer is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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