Kasdwer.3721 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Pretty Easy way to fix PoF Meta replayability, add a 100% chance of a amalgamated Gemstone in the Big PoF meta events (Casino, Treasure Hunt, Ascension, Maw of Torment, Serpents Ire). They are required for both PoF and HoT legendaries and you can buy shards in ls4 maps too, so why not drop amalgamated Gemstones in the PoF metas too, just like in the HoT metas? If you want to craft a gen2 legendary, you need them anyway, both in the HoT and PoF crafting way, so why dont they drop in PoF metas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Why would i do a PoF meta for "loot" when HoT has better loot ? No, a simple AG wont change this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malafaia.8903 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 PoF metas need a big overhaul It's sad to see all those beautiful big maps with 0 replayability :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 AmGems would be a poor way to encourage participation. It's just a gold and we can get gold from anything. It would have to be something more interesting or more gated, such as map currency, elegy mosaics, new-unique drops, or high-value drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > new-unique drops You now have my attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 The first step to getting people to do Maw meta would be getting it working reliably first. Forged in fire seems a bit too out of the way Serpent's Ire? I think this has been covered in other places already. Augury Rock - the progression of this feels a bit disjointed Casino Blitz seems fine as it is. Buried Treasures? What is in Desert Highlands anyway? The general issue with treasure maps has also been covered in other threads as well. > @"Pifil.5193" said: > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. > > they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery I don't know if you've noticed, but thats ALL over the game. The passive accumulation of crafting items that eventually kick off a moment of OCD, which sends you down the rabbit hole that is this game's high end crafting projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > > > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. > > > > they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery > > I don't know if you've noticed, but thats ALL over the game. The passive accumulation of crafting items that eventually kick off a moment of OCD, which sends you down the rabbit hole that is this game's high end crafting projects. So where is the primary reward something account bound only usable for a very narrow set expensive goals, outside of activities specifically made for that goal? The only thing I can come up with is map completion which seems a rather different type of activity than meta events... * Crystalline Ore has more uses, you never get Ingots as a reward. * Amagamated Gemstones are tradeable. * Mystic Coins have several other usues *and* are tradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goettel.4389 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Anything to get the people back. I still love HoT and spend most of my time running the metas there, but recently I spent a couple of hours in PoF zones to find something to get stuck in. But apart from bounty trains, there's nothing going on... such a waste of great zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devildoc.6721 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > AmGems would be a poor way to encourage participation. It's just a gold and we can get gold from anything. > It would have to be something more interesting or more gated, such as map currency, elegy mosaics, new-unique drops, or high-value drops. Except the map currency (trade contracts) are utterly worthless, We have thousands of them rotting because you can't spend them without also spending karma, and not just a little karma but hundreds of thousands of karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > > > > > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > > > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. > > > > > > they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery > > > > I don't know if you've noticed, but thats ALL over the game. The passive accumulation of crafting items that eventually kick off a moment of OCD, which sends you down the rabbit hole that is this game's high end crafting projects. > > So where is the primary reward something account bound only usable for a very narrow set expensive goals, outside of activities specifically made for that goal? The only thing I can come up with is map completion which seems a rather different type of activity than meta events... > > * Crystalline Ore has more uses, you never get Ingots as a reward. > * Amagamated Gemstones are tradeable. > * Mystic Coins have several other usues *and* are tradeable. And those "alternate uses" are also crafting related, or at the very least gear related. In the case of crystalline ore, its also a currency that leads to collections and crafting recipes and supplies. The only 2 aspects of the game that aren't designed to feed back directly into crafting and collections is WvW (which has framework for self sufficiency, albeit poor) and Core Personal story (which gives out direct rewards). The crafting use is what gives the majority of these items value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > > > > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. > > > > > > > > they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery > > > > > > I don't know if you've noticed, but thats ALL over the game. The passive accumulation of crafting items that eventually kick off a moment of OCD, which sends you down the rabbit hole that is this game's high end crafting projects. > > > > So where is the primary reward something account bound only usable for a very narrow set expensive goals, outside of activities specifically made for that goal? The only thing I can come up with is map completion which seems a rather different type of activity than meta events... > > > > * Crystalline Ore has more uses, you never get Ingots as a reward. > > * Amagamated Gemstones are tradeable. > > * Mystic Coins have several other usues *and* are tradeable. > > And those "alternate uses" are also crafting related, or at the very least gear related. In the case of crystalline ore, its also a currency that leads to collections and crafting recipes and supplies. The only 2 aspects of the game that aren't designed to feed back directly into crafting and collections is WvW (which has framework for self sufficiency, albeit poor) and Core Personal story (which gives out direct rewards). The crafting use is what gives the majority of these items value. I don't see how that is related to this discussion. The argument here is that FI would be a poor reward as it's valuable *only if making a legendary through Desert Mastery*. You claim "that's all over the game", yet bring up that most rewards "funnel toward crafting". That's completely beside the point! The point is that FI *has no value whatsoever* unless you yourself is working on this singular type of goal through this specific method, as they are account bound. Tell me anywhere else in the game that is true of the reward for a general activity like a meta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > > > > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > > > > > Maybe a Funerary Incense would work as a daily reward. They're worth about 20s more than an Amalgamated Gemstone but are account bound and are pretty heavily timegated. > > > > > > > > > > they are also completely worthless to anyone who isn't making a legendary or isn't making one through the gift of desert mastery > > > > > > > > I don't know if you've noticed, but thats ALL over the game. The passive accumulation of crafting items that eventually kick off a moment of OCD, which sends you down the rabbit hole that is this game's high end crafting projects. > > > > > > So where is the primary reward something account bound only usable for a very narrow set expensive goals, outside of activities specifically made for that goal? The only thing I can come up with is map completion which seems a rather different type of activity than meta events... > > > > > > * Crystalline Ore has more uses, you never get Ingots as a reward. > > > * Amagamated Gemstones are tradeable. > > > * Mystic Coins have several other usues *and* are tradeable. > > > > And those "alternate uses" are also crafting related, or at the very least gear related. In the case of crystalline ore, its also a currency that leads to collections and crafting recipes and supplies. The only 2 aspects of the game that aren't designed to feed back directly into crafting and collections is WvW (which has framework for self sufficiency, albeit poor) and Core Personal story (which gives out direct rewards). The crafting use is what gives the majority of these items value. > > I don't see how that is related to this discussion. > > The argument here is that FI would be a poor reward as it's valuable *only if making a legendary through Desert Mastery*. > > You claim "that's all over the game", yet bring up that most rewards "funnel toward crafting". > That's completely beside the point! The point is that FI *has no value whatsoever* unless you yourself is working on this singular type of goal through this specific method, as they are account bound. Tell me anywhere else in the game that is true of the reward for a general activity like a meta? That's why they give us choices in these daily meta reward chests. For some it'd be worth a lot for others it would be practically worthless and they would choose something else from the list of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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