casualkenny.9817 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Tl:Cr People looking for a healer, and aren't particular about which type, pls type 'healer' instead of 'druid' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution - _if you want a druid put "Druid" in the LFG, **if you just want a support build, druid included, then put "Heal" in the LFG_** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Boonchrono is a support build and it's not made for healing by default. Your "solution" provides even more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen anyone look for boonchrono in the lfg tho, maybe you should tell people to do that aswell? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people now search for chrono and get mad when dps chronos join. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar problem as the Op have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but typing "healer" and expecting support build is exactly same problem you descibe with people asking for "chrono" and receiving dps chrono instead of boon one. If we want people to communicate precisely you shouldn't offer an unprecise solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both heal and tank are support so typing heal or druid, if you need someone to heal support is warrented I dont think a single support chrono would in a million years think their heal from wells would make them a possible healer your grasping at straws here. > > > > > > > > > > If someone want chrono they type chrono or chrono-tank usualy. I have never seen a druid or healer join when thats in the lfg either. > > > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be precise you would have to ask anet to expand the lfg text window. > > > > > > > > > > Since people would have to type, lf1 healer revenant/renegade, healing firebrand, druid or auramancer (+1 druid). > > > > > > > > > > I would think that the iq of the community is high enough that lf1 heal (+1 druid) if two is needed instead of the above is more then enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not at all, but OP's suggestion only limits LFG to healer oriented builds which solves nothing if you are looking for non-heal support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be precise, fractal people can do this, so can do raiders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its if the raid group only need healer and dont mind if they get a revenant/elementalist/druid or guardian healer and still out of habit type lf druid like they have always done. > > > > > > > > They are asking if said group dont really need a second druid to instead type heal. > > > > > > > > No were in the OP were said group looking for anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since fractals are 5 man content most groups will want druid in their team so they search for that, but 10 man content dont need 2 druids on most bosses anymore. > > > > > > > > Edit > > > > > > > > Changed wording to avoid infraction due to possible personal attack. > > > > > > > > And the OP never once say that lfg should only be for healing classes from now on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you want so hard to prove me wrong (hint: you can't). I want people to be precise just as much as you. Difference is I'm not accepting a solution that doesn't make anything more precise, it just moves the problem to other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok if team is looking for 1 healer only dont need a second druid how do it make it less precise too type heal to get any of the 4 healing classes instead of druid as people do now? > > > > > > > > > > This is the only situation when you would type healer. Not support, not druid. Just healer. Remember it also implicates that healing power is only thing you expect from that player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read the OP thats exactly what the op asks for. > > > > And no healers do more then heal in this game this aint wow. > > > > Same as tanks do more then just position boss so group can avoid damage. > > > > > > I read it multiple times and this thread gets more confusing the more you go through it. > > > > Apparently you dont understand they most of the first 4 lines in said post > > > > if you only want a druid and no other healer in your group then feel free to continue using "druid". > > EpheSOSIayer.6370 said > > " > > As a player which play heal renegade/herald a lot it is always a mess to find a group. After the latest balance patch there are about 50% of the commanders (based on my experience) which don't care about which healer they get. The problem here is that those commanders wrote "druid" instead of "heal" in their LFG anyways. > > " > > > > How do those lines say anything about looking for tank or dps its purely about healers hence why we speak about healers here. > > If you wanna make a new thread and talk about people being precise when looking for dps or tank/boon share roles feel free to do so mate. > > Why am I quoted multiple times in your message? No Idea why it did that I just quoted one time like normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptAurellian.9537 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 > @"casualkenny.9817" said: > Tl:Cr I really like the C in there. Perfect summary of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allea.7496 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I agree with this post, even though seems like half of the people did not read what the OP was asking or what they meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Asdasd.6194 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes > > Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. > > I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! Im just trying to shed some light on why i think other healing classes arent that popular, also i dont understand why so many people in this post get mad and start "ugh you dun get id mon dis iz not what teh post iz abut" we dont need a police in this post telling people what they write is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes > > > > Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. > > > > I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! > > Im just trying to shed some light on why i think other healing classes arent that popular, also i dont understand why so many people in this post get mad and start "ugh you dun get id mon dis iz not what teh post iz abut" we dont need a police in this post telling people what they write is wrong You're not wrong, just off topic. It's frustrating because the majority of the posts have veered into a discussion about how druid is the best healer and why. The OP has even stated that he knows that druid is the meta for healing and support, that isn't what he is highlighting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Asdasd.6194 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes > > > > > > Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. > > > > > > I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! > > > > Im just trying to shed some light on why i think other healing classes arent that popular, also i dont understand why so many people in this post get mad and start "ugh you dun get id mon dis iz not what teh post iz abut" we dont need a police in this post telling people what they write is wrong > > You're not wrong, just off topic. It's frustrating because the majority of the posts have veered into a discussion about how druid is the best healer and why. The OP has even stated that he knows that druid is the meta for healing and support, that isn't what he is highlighting here. The thing is that for most pug squads that are going full meta in the commander's mind heal equals druid since druid is the meta comp healer/might distributor, but technicaly if someone asks for "heal" people are not wrong to assume they are looking for any healer class besides druid, it is just that nowadays heal and druid are for most of the playerbase one and the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nia.4725 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > > > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes > > > > > > > > Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. > > > > > > > > I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! > > > > > > Im just trying to shed some light on why i think other healing classes arent that popular, also i dont understand why so many people in this post get mad and start "ugh you dun get id mon dis iz not what teh post iz abut" we dont need a police in this post telling people what they write is wrong > > > > You're not wrong, just off topic. It's frustrating because the majority of the posts have veered into a discussion about how druid is the best healer and why. The OP has even stated that he knows that druid is the meta for healing and support, that isn't what he is highlighting here. > > The thing is that for most pug squads that are going full meta in the commander's mind heal equals druid since druid is the meta comp healer/might distributor, but technicaly if someone asks for "heal" people are not wrong to assume they are looking for any healer class besides druid, it is just that nowadays heal and druid are for most of the playerbase one and the same Yup and that's sad. This is a reason why I think this thread's petition is relevant and necessary. Raiders need to know that there are more useful healers besides druid, and that they only need one druid per squad. If they wish to have another healer they could choose something else. Herald and specially firebrand are VERY op in Matthias yet most pugs ask for 2 druids because they just don't know better. Because the meta is 2 druids and they probably don't have any source where to get info about the usefulness of other healing classes. That should change and this thread is a step towards the right direction. Raiders should know more than just the builds SnowCrows has on their page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > > @"Remus Darkblight.1673" said: > > > > > @"Mister Asdasd.6194" said: > > > > > The Druid class was designed to be a top healer, this is why Druid's whole kit revolves around Celestial avatar being a state where you have versatile healing skills, admitetly they do have a case of "too much utility" but this was a byproduct of base Ranger already having access to the spirits and pets for cc/cleanse/heal. Also a lot of the healers you list are more of a gimmick, we had a healer renegade and his healing was very slow to the point where people were dying, we tried out healing Scrapper with the medkit updates but healing was still on the lower side,also the fact that the medkit range is just a cone in front of you doesnt make it easier to heal everyone,healing tempest i like but his healing skills are limited to the main heal shout, water staff 3 , overload water and a small regen on staff 5, staff 3 and 5 have quite a big cooldownd and dont burst heal as much as druid,his condi cleanse though is far superror to druid's , havent tried healing Firebrand but i would assume that problems would start to occur when the pages to the second book run out,receive the light can heal everyone in a cone in frontof you but it is a one time thing before going on cooldown, it isnt THAT much of a matter than Druid can do everything but a matter of the other classes being underwhelming at being healers, problems like mentioned above include small range of effect,limited healing skills on high cooldown,small healing percentages. Instead of having a look at improving other classes and elites as healers Arenanet seems fixated on gutting druid,hoping people will get discouraged and move on to other healer classes > > > > > > > > Still not the point of the OP though. These other classes _can_ heal, and in a low pressure environment where the goal is just to get through the content and not to do it as fast and efficiently as possible, some teams won't mind having an off-meta support/heal spec in the team. In these instances it would be beneficial for the party leader to simply advertise for "Heal" in the LFG to let people know that any healing spec character is welcome (which includes druid!). This allows people to play those off-meta builds if they wish and they can avoid groups looking for druid only so they won't get yelled at. > > > > > > > > I am really struggling to put this more plainly and simply than it already is and I cannot fathom why people don't seem to get what the OP is asking! > > > > > > Im just trying to shed some light on why i think other healing classes arent that popular, also i dont understand why so many people in this post get mad and start "ugh you dun get id mon dis iz not what teh post iz abut" we dont need a police in this post telling people what they write is wrong > > > > You're not wrong, just off topic. It's frustrating because the majority of the posts have veered into a discussion about how druid is the best healer and why. The OP has even stated that he knows that druid is the meta for healing and support, that isn't what he is highlighting here. > > The thing is that for most pug squads that are going full meta in the commander's mind heal equals druid since druid is the meta comp healer/might distributor, but technicaly if someone asks for "heal" people are not wrong to assume they are looking for any healer class besides druid, it is just that **nowadays heal and druid are for most of the playerbase one and the same** This is exactly what the OP is having issue with. The problem is that some of the groups advertising for a druid really do want a druid and he gets yelled at if he joins them with a non-meta support/healer - the groups that are just using the word druid as a synonym for any healer and are happy for any support class to be joining them are none the wiser. It is sadly a very difficult change to make due to the reasons behind the current behaviour despite being a change that benefits everyone and has no downside to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch.3275 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Im commanding nearly everything every week since I started and I'll stay with 2 druids in lfg. It's not like I dont know that the second druid doens't add as much value as the first one, but I currently have a little bit over 150li and 20-40 kp per boss. And people are making more mistake than i would like. So it's just that if one druid dies, I will still have another one. However if I already have a druid and another healer joins I won't ask him to leave on most encounters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 My static was afew people short wensday we advertised for heal and got a druid anyway =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nia.4725 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 > @"Linken.6345" said: > My static was afew people short wensday we advertised for heal and got a druid anyway =) I asked for a 1 heal for my pug Trio this week and got a heal tempest \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shejesa.3712 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 If I may add something, the asumption that heal=druid has a really simple explaination. If there are several good healers (like tempest, ventari rev and druid) you pick the one that gives you edge. The edge is having spirits and spotter.and perma might. Ofc, ventari and weaver have higher heal, but you don't need this much heal in an exp group. You need any dps you can get. And having a frost spirit is much better than having more heal you don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WZC.7910 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Fractal don't really need healer. The main use of druid is might and spirit, and heal is a plus. Who want tempest or revenant that only heals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 > @"WZC.7910" said: > Fractal don't really need healer. The main use of druid is might and spirit, and heal is a plus. Who want tempest or revenant that only heals? Well this was more towards raids mate were second healer in groups need that can be what ever since the 1 druid can get everything needed for whole 10 squad already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepcuts.9740 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 This is starting to go too far. In a raid we asked for "healer". We got a thief who said he is a healer :) And he was dead serious. Pinged all the shinnies, but of course when it came to healing, none to be found. I would rather have two Druids and be covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptAurellian.9537 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 A thief "healer" would probably be something I'd kick on the spot. Apart from that, I've also seen too many druids who did I don't know what, but certainly did not produce any meaningful heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 I get the predicament. Unfortunately druid kind of established its self as the go-to heal class due it's ability to heal and massive utility (which even changes has remained the strongest from all the support builds bar chrono maybe) it provides. Would it be beneficial to be more exact with what gets asked for? Absolutely. Will this change? Not until a new balance patch makes another class outperform druid in both healing and utility. Funny enough, if I'm not drastically mistaken, the druids actual healing power is one of the lowest among all the heal builds. It definitely gets outclassed by healing tempest and healing revenant in pure healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 > @"Cyninja.2954" said: > I get the predicament. Unfortunately druid kind of established its self as the go-to heal class due it's ability to heal and massive utility (which even changes has remained the strongest from all the support builds bar chrono maybe) it provides. > > Would it be beneficial to be more exact with what gets asked for? Absolutely. > Will this change? Not until a new balance patch makes another class outperform druid in both healing and utility. > > Funny enough, if I'm not drastically mistaken, the druids actual healing power is one of the lowest among all the heal builds. It definitely gets outclassed by healing tempest and healing revenant in pure healing. You are correct with the nerfs to druid healing or support in celestial avatar its the lowest healing. If people struggle with health invite 1 of the other healers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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