Deihnyx.6318 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycholord.5260 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I'm baffled that there are actual people defending that woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > ") > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Skyfyre.9673 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ") > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. I see 140? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzypetal.7936 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > ") > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? Ever the ferret, I wanted to find out who the person was that started the petition...there is a twitter link. Click on it and a Twitter error is displayed saying the page doesn't exist. Could it be a fake account designed to keep the controversy going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Evon Skyfyre.9673" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > ") > > > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > > > In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. > > I see 140? Hmmm. 5 on my iPad. Maybe it’s not set up for that format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzypetal.7936 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Evon Skyfyre.9673" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > ") > > > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > > > In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. > > I see 140? The counter for me shows 164. You have to give it a few minutes to load. It starts with 140, but then slowly adds the next 24 signatures on. Makes me wonder if it is a bug or by design to make people think people are signing as you are reading what the petition is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Skyfyre.9673 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > @"Evon Skyfyre.9673" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > > > ") > > > > > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > > > > > In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. > > > > I see 140? > > The counter for me shows 164. You have to give it a few minutes to load. It starts with 140, but then slowly adds the next 24 signatures on. Makes me wonder if it is a bug or by design to make people think people are signing as you are reading what the petition is about. Bots? On a related note, Twitter announced it will be removing "Tens of Millions" of fake follower accts, saying the ones in question are inflated by companies offering a way to artificially inflate your number of followers. Social media.. lol Just another business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Zaklex.6308" said: > > @"maddoctor.2738" said: > > > @"Zaklex.6308" said: > > > There's something I haven't seen much said on here, when writing something on the internet, you have to expect different readers to interpret it in different ways depending on how you write it. > > > > Which means absolutely nothing in this case. Even if she found Deroir's comment offensive, he apologized after making that tweet: > > > You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it. > > And still got harassed anyway. > > Right, and I'll say it again, what is said in writing can be interpreted differently by different people...so then his apology can be interpreted to be condescending, which would only exacerbate the situation...are you following me along now. It's still all about interpretation, this is keeping in mind that Deroir is not a native English speaker, so context is not going be something he might be aware of. > > I'm going to say this again, and I'll keep repeating it. It's high time we learn to separate the professional life from the personal life(and I DO NOT care if you list your employer on your personal social media, it's still your personal social media), across the board. Answer me this, why is it so hard for the majority of people to understand that employees are only representing their employer when on the clock and getting paid? I don't know about most people, but I do not bring my job home with me, once I clock out, that's it, it's out of mind, but then the majority of people can't turn their brains on and off like that either, so I guess I answered my own question. Why is it so hard to understand that if an employee chooses to act as if representing their employer, in a manner that impacts the employer, when off the clock, the eployer may exercise their right to no longer associate with that employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Skyfyre.9673 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 99% of all percentages are made up. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Deihnyx.6318" said: > I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. This I true.. although also true I think is the fact there will always been some emotion in any business decision like this, there has to be because we are human after all... but its about not letting our emotions be the factor that decides the outcome.. and that's where a smidge of experience and professionalism comes into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge.4180 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Deihnyx.6318" said: > I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. I'm not convinced the community can even agree on which is which in this case. There are people who will argue that AreneNet made an emotional knee-jerk decision and acted irrationally (a notion I disagree with). There are also people who will argue that Price behaved like an emotional train-wreck and behaved irrationally, and removing her before she could cause further damage was a rational move on ArenaNet's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ") > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > Ever the ferret, I wanted to find out who the person was that started the petition...there is a twitter link. Click on it and a Twitter error is displayed saying the page doesn't exist. Could it be a fake account designed to keep the controversy going? > Lol I got that error.. I read that site and wow it is at best so far from the truth its laughable, so yeah maybe those two pro's that who posted on it got duped. Don't get me wrong, there are those out there who like JP relish in the creation of controversy and go out of their way to harass and abuse anyone for anything.. those really are the a**hats imo.. but that's the internet and a seasoned pro should of and I think did, know that what she did was going to open a very big door.. and I really am starting to think that was her play all along, in order to push her narrative.. and in doing so she was able to do what she seems to enjoy doing best create extremist controversy whilst using a cause to try and justify it. Thankfully many people have seen through it and view her as the very thing such causes are hardpressed at fighting against. This thing isn't over for sure, JP is going to continue her narrative to keep the controversy going as long as she can.. no body wins or maybe JP thinks she already has cos her twitter following has increased a bit more... gratz on that, be sure to mention that when speaking to the next gamejourno or one of those queuing recruiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deihnyx.6318 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Edge.4180" said: > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said: > > I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. > I'm not convinced the community can even agree on which is which in this case. There are people who will argue that AreneNet made an emotional knee-jerk decision and acted irrationally (a notion I disagree with). There are also people who will argue that Price behaved like an emotional train-wreck and behaved irrationally, and removing her before she could cause further damage was a rational move on ArenaNet's part. It's like people are living a two different worlds. In mine, a company acts "rationally" when they fire someone for exploding on a client. I would bet people who think this is not a "rational" move have either never worked in this industry, or simply never read their contract in full. Kinda funny when you know these are the same people who attack Deroir for being a condescending know-it-all, while that's exactly what they're doing by telling a company/CEO what is right and not right to do (in a much less polite manner, I would add). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Perception.2507 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Mike O Brien.4613" said: > Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company. > > I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you. > > Mo Like a boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orimura.5689 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 ~~> @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"fizzypetal.7936" said: > > [https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ](https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries "https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-apologize-rehire-jessica-price-and-peter-fries > > ") > > > > Wow...I don't even know what to think. Other than to question myself and wonder if I'm totally out of touch. > > > > I'm in my 50's...it makes sense to me that if you wear your badge on your social media profile, you do have to always be respectful even when you feel attacked. And that if you do post anything that reflects negatively on your employer, there will be consequences. In an at-will employment state, isn't it common sense to think that keeping your job depends (in part), on how you conduct yourself while wearing the company badge? Or have times really moved on that much, and I'm just an old dinosaur? > > In 6 days they’ve gotten 5 signatures on that petition. It’s trending upwards slooooooooowly. You have to be delusional to sign this. I guess my issue is she screwed up. She has yet to take responsibility for her actions and admit she screwed up. You don't add your professional credentials to social media then expect no backlash when you act like a spoiled child. I just bought the game today and am installing it as I type this simply because I want to show my support to Arena net for taking action fairly. If this had been a man no one would be talking about this at all. She decided to make a gender thing. She thought she was immune to discipline because she is a woman, it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaklex.6308 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said: > > I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. > > This I true.. although also true I think is the fact there will always been some emotion in any business decision like this, there has to be because we are human after all... but its about not letting our emotions be the factor that decides the outcome.. and that's where a smidge of experience and professionalism comes into it. That's another thorny issue, but in all honestly emotion should be left out of business decisions entirely, us being humans has nothing to do with it...it's the same as people using their religious convictions to deny service to certain people. The business is a business, it's not an extension of your personality or your moral convictions, at least I don't think it should be. Now I think we're completely off topic, but that isn't my decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerethon.8250 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I'm very disappointed with anets decision on this. I've played for years and the community has been so much more pleasant than other games. However, this is a blatant reinforcement of the pervasive sexism and harassment that is ubiquitous in the gaming world. I really thought anet and the guild wars community was better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Cerethon.8250" said: > I'm very disappointed with anets decision on this. I've played for years and the community has been so much more pleasant than other games. However, this is a blatant reinforcement of the pervasive sexism and harassment that is ubiquitous in the gaming world. I really thought anet and the guild wars community was better than this. No, it would have been a reinforcement of sexism had they not fired JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Deihnyx.6318" said: > I feel like this whole issue could be summarized by whether people think a business should be run by emotions instead of rationality. Agreed. Running the business rationally by disciplining employees prone to emotionally lashing out at business partners and customers seems the best choice to me. But I can understand that others might prefer keeping employees, whose actions are harmful to the business, due to some emotional attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper.4173 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Dreadshow.9320" said: > > @"Harper.4173" said: > > > @"RoseofGilead.8907" said: > > > > @"Harper.4173" said: > > > > And that's where people are wrong. Those titles might have meant something remotely positive maybe 20 or 30 years ago. Today as far as I see it they're a massive red flag. And by that I mean that statistically speaking - you have very good odds of finding someone who's completely unreasonable label themselves as such. Better odds than finding a decent human being. > > > > Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm biased but as far as I've seen it - it seems to be the case. I guess all the normal people are more quiet and don't need to make everything into their personal crusade? > > > > > > Yes, that does sound biased. > > > > My bias keeps me nice and safe. > > Bias and stereotype are defensive mechanisms - people have them in order to avoid things that are unpleasant. > > I don't really understand why they're seen as bad - when most of the times they are going to keep you safe. > > I really don't understand the hate on stereotypes given the alternative is one monotype. And if Roger Watters and Pink Floyd thought us anything is that we don't want one monotype. It's not about hating people for being different - it's about recognizing that people who are different in certain ways are more likely to behave in some way or another. Using this you can predict their possible behavior easily at a glance and save yourself a lot of trouble and unpleasant interaction. It might not be something that's relevant in your part of the world but it certainly is where I'm from. I'd look forward to seeing "unprejudiced" people having a good time with some of the people around where I live. Also I don't know how some entertainers are of any relevance when it comes to figuring out what is good and what isn't. I do hope you don't live your life following the advice of such individuals, seeing how every month or so we find out the absolute wrecked state of the lives they live through some suicide, overdose or other unfortunate event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Skyfyre.9673 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Mike O Brien.4613" said: > Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. **Their attacks on the community were unacceptable**. As a result, they’re no longer with the company. > > I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you. > > Mo > @"Gaile Gray.6029" said: > Hey folks, > > We want to make it clear that **we do not intend to host comments that are disrespectful towards current or former employees** (or other forum members), that attempt to rehash the matter ad infinitum, or that in any way are a breach of the Forums Code of Conduct. We have a policy that supports valid, constructive posts, and we are dedicated to keeping the tone of the forums reasonable and productive. Please post with wisdom and thoughtfulness. > > Thank you. So why is this thread allowed to continue? The very nature of it violates the "we do not intend to host comments that are disrespectful towards current or former employees" intent no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Evon Skyfyre.9673" said: > So why is this thread allowed to continue? The very nature of it violates the "we do not intend to host comments that are disrespectful towards current or former employees" intent no? Three possible reasons: 1) They think if they close this 3 more will pop up, which is highly likely as that's what happened when JP started this mess. Multiple threads appearing constantly. 2) Those with the authority to close it are on vacation, which is quite possible we are mid summer after all, perfect time for a vacation 3) They don't find the comments here disrespectful, after all some posters have been banned/reported for posts in this thread, so they might well look at this thread and take action when needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Edge.4180" said: > > @"Zaklex.6308" said: > > I'm going to say this again, and I'll keep repeating it. It's high time we learn to separate the professional life from the personal life(and I DO NOT care if you list your employer on your personal social media, it's still your personal social media), across the board. Answer me this, why is it so hard for the majority of people to understand that employees are only representing their employer when on the clock and getting paid? I don't know about most people, but I do not bring my job home with me, once I clock out, that's it, it's out of mind, but then the majority of people can't turn their brains on and off like that either, so I guess I answered my own question. > > I don't understand how you can't see the obvious flaws in this thinking. If you, for example, work for a company and then (from your social media account where you choose to actively advertise your employment at said company) decide you're going to speak ill of that company and/or its customers.. I just don't understand how you expect there to be no repercussions to those actions.. particularly in the land of at-will employment. > > And I'm not talking about whistleblowing, I'm just referring to examples of smack-talk and generally just being an awful jerk. Yes, you can go onto your social media account and post _"LOL at the idiotic people who are stupid enough to waste money eating at the restaurant I work at, home of the worst tasting, most overpriced food in history"_, but you are kidding yourself if you think your manager isn't going to want to have words with you on your next shift. > > Your expectation of some sort of magical separation and protections between the various worlds in your life is just bizarre. Let's take it a step further: if I could be completely free of consequences for what I say on personal public social media, I could take money from a competitor to badmouth my employer constantly and viciously, and my employer could only grin and bear it. I know this is an exaggeration, but it does prove that you have to draw a line somewhere. And what makes more sense than to draw the line where the actual hurting of an employer starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerethon.8250 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 > @"Dashingsteel.3410" said: > > @"Cerethon.8250" said: > > I'm very disappointed with anets decision on this. I've played for years and the community has been so much more pleasant than other games. However, this is a blatant reinforcement of the pervasive sexism and harassment that is ubiquitous in the gaming world. I really thought anet and the guild wars community was better than this. > > No, it would have been a reinforcement of sexism had they not fired JP. She is a woman in the video game industry. Every day men with no expertise tell her how to do her job. Its not sexist to call them out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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