Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"SnowHawk.3615" said: > waaaahhhhhhhh mommy i dont like something pls nerf it :C "The sad part is even if they realize these traits / skills ect are toxic design they can't fix them, the player base would kitten a brick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowHawk.3615 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"SnowHawk.3615" said: > > waaaahhhhhhhh mommy i dont like something pls nerf it :C > > "The sad part is even if they realize these traits / skills ect are toxic design they can't fix them, the player base would kitten a brick." Well, they made elementalist staff useless in WvW without fixing the lack of synergy with other traits and ignored them completely. Organized guilds aren't using them at all anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same to all long range weapons on classes that are squishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Sampson.2403" said: > I have a question about unblockable attacks. If a guardian has aegis up and i mesmer GS sword 2 (mirror blade unblockable) at them, the mirror blade will hit and create the clone, right? Will the aegis buff still be up after this or does it get cleared because it failed to block the attack? Can't confirm in the game right now, but most likely your aegis is unaffected. Then the next thing the clone does is probably shoot you with a beam, thus removing your aegis anyway with a 1-damage ranged attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. Did you know you can dodge roll twice in a row? It's super effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > Did you know you can dodge roll twice in a row? It's super effective. Did you know that your window to double dodge does not exist, (your getting hit with DJ as your first evade ends) try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > Did you know you can dodge roll twice in a row? It's super effective. > > Did you know that your window to double dodge does not exist, (your getting hit with DJ as your first evade ends) try again. Nope, they can be chained almost perfectly if you keep mashing the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > Did you know you can dodge roll twice in a row? It's super effective. > > > > Did you know that your window to double dodge does not exist, (your getting hit with DJ as your first evade ends) try again. > > Nope, they can be chained almost perfectly if you keep mashing the button. you talking about less then 1/4 of a second, not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > > > Did you know you can dodge roll twice in a row? It's super effective. > > > > > > Did you know that your window to double dodge does not exist, (your getting hit with DJ as your first evade ends) try again. > > > > Nope, they can be chained almost perfectly if you keep mashing the button. > > you talking about less then 1/4 of a second, not happening. Does happen to me quite often, though. Weird. Maybe I'm special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Do you need an explanation on how the internet works? There is always delay between an action and a server.... Does delusional count as special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > @"SoulSin.5682" said: > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > > > > > And you expect every class to have a counter for every situation at every given moment? > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. > > > > > > this had a counter, they removed it (reflect). That is bad design if you can't understand that this discussion is pointless. > > > > > > > It still has a plethora of counters though, Dodges, Evades, Invulns, Pseudo Invulns, Blinds, CC, LoS, Body blocking, out ranging it... > > You must be fighting some god awful thieves man. or perhaps you don't realize i'm talking about DJ. > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > Does every profession have invuls? no they dont. > Blinds / CC: first what 1200 range blinds do you have? If you can think of some that's nice, but your also forgetting to mention the fact that the thief is coming in with stealth. you have no refrence point to hit him with blinds or CC. > Los: this is PvP most maps don't have decent LOS spots while on point, (obviously there are exceptions) > Body blocking: so your either die or killing a teamate. body blocking only work for mesmers and MM necros > Outrange: Are you serious? thief's have teleports. shadow step, and rehashed shadow step those are some horrible thieves. > > Let's put it this way i have 11k life running a full glass core d/d thief spec.i have 0 problems killing deadeyes. But i can't honestly say Deadeye is a healthy spec for pvp? You can't either Just out of curiosity, what rank / rating are these DE showing up that people are crying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativity.3057 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Solori.6025" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > @"SoulSin.5682" said: > > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you expect every class to have a counter for every situation at every given moment? > > > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. > > > > > > > > this had a counter, they removed it (reflect). That is bad design if you can't understand that this discussion is pointless. > > > > > > > > > > It still has a plethora of counters though, Dodges, Evades, Invulns, Pseudo Invulns, Blinds, CC, LoS, Body blocking, out ranging it... > > > > You must be fighting some god awful thieves man. or perhaps you don't realize i'm talking about DJ. > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > Does every profession have invuls? no they dont. > > Blinds / CC: first what 1200 range blinds do you have? If you can think of some that's nice, but your also forgetting to mention the fact that the thief is coming in with stealth. you have no refrence point to hit him with blinds or CC. > > Los: this is PvP most maps don't have decent LOS spots while on point, (obviously there are exceptions) > > Body blocking: so your either die or killing a teamate. body blocking only work for mesmers and MM necros > > Outrange: Are you serious? thief's have teleports. shadow step, and rehashed shadow step those are some horrible thieves. > > > > Let's put it this way i have 11k life running a full glass core d/d thief spec.i have 0 problems killing deadeyes. But i can't honestly say Deadeye is a healthy spec for pvp? You can't either > > Just out of curiosity, what rank / rating are these DE showing up that people are crying about it. bronze, probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > Do you need an explanation on how the internet works? There is always delay between an action and a server.... > Does delusional count as special? It works perfectly fine for me if I input correctly from my side. And my ping is about 100-150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 last person i heard complaining about DE was ranked #5 btw... "It works perfectly fine for me if I input correctly from my side. And my ping is about 100-150." impossible, You would have to dodge while in a dodge roll which you can not do. Now you could of said FS and that would of been believable (though still unlikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > last person i heard complaining about DE was ranked #5 btw... > > "It works perfectly fine for me if I input correctly from my side. And my ping is about 100-150." > > impossible, You would have to dodge while in a dodge roll which you can not do. Now you could of said FS and that would of been believable (though still unlikely) Then I do the impossible because two chained dodges get me out of every situation imaginable (except ring of warding) on a regular basis. Also, in your example you seem to assume that the deadeye in question is not affected by network latency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment is the description wrong or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > Do you need an explanation on how the internet works? There is always delay between an action and a server.... > > Does delusional count as special? > > It works perfectly fine for me if I input correctly from my side. And my ping is about 100-150. The reaction time of a college aged person typically around 0.25 seconds for a visual cue and 0.2 seconds for a audio cue. Adding 100ms of ping to that brings it up to 0.35 seconds for a visual cue and 0.3 seconds for a audio cue. I 100% guarantee that you can not reactively dodge a 0.25 second cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > @"Airdive.2613" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > Do you need an explanation on how the internet works? There is always delay between an action and a server.... > > > Does delusional count as special? > > > > It works perfectly fine for me if I input correctly from my side. And my ping is about 100-150. > > The reaction time of a college aged person typically around 0.25 seconds for a visual cue and 0.2 seconds for a audio cue. Adding 100ms of ping to that brings it up to 0.35 seconds for a visual cue and 0.3 seconds for a audio cue. > > I 100% guarantee that you can not reactively dodge a 0.25 second cast. I don't. I'm saying that if your first dodge roll is baited, then you can reliably chain it into another dodge roll to evade the expected follow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufo.3716 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Without on demand stealth DE would just be the easiest kill ever. Learn to not play glass specs if you don't want to die so quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > is the description wrong or something? hasted meld, dude. your forgetting the haste on mark GM trait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > hasted meld, dude. Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > > > hasted meld, dude. > > Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... Fact's are not excuses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > > > > > hasted meld, dude. > > > > Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... > > Fact's are not excuses.. Excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > > > > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > > > > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > > > > > > > hasted meld, dude. > > > > > > Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... > > > > Fact's are not excuses.. > > Excuses. triggered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > > > > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > > > > > > > > > hasted meld, dude. > > > > > > > > Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... > > > > > > Fact's are not excuses.. > > > > Excuses. > > triggered? Nope, just saying it how it’s, I’m not the one having trouble with easily avoidable highly telegraphed attacks, unlike some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlie.7641 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > > > > > @"Highlie.7641" said: > > > > > > > > Any decent thief is going to come out of stealth with 3 round burst, (which will bait your dodge) then use DJ, incase you don't know Dj has a cast time of 1/2 seconds without haste, (the thief will have haste due to traits) your dodge roll has an iframe of 3/4 of a second. learn timing and evades are not a defense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but DJ is a stealth attack and cannot be used if revealed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't use rifle, but that -is- how it works right? It's a flipover skill and reveals you when you use it, but you must be in stealth to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a thief three round bursts on you from stealth, he is revealed and cant set up for DJ immediately unless he burns his elite. and that takes a full second from Meld to DJ. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death%27s_Judgment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the description wrong or something? > > > > > > > > > > > > hasted meld, dude. > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a lot of excuses and lots of opportunities to counterplay and interrupt... > > > > > > > > Fact's are not excuses.. > > > > > > Excuses. > > > > triggered? > > Nope, just saying it how it’s, I’m not the one having trouble with easily avoidable highly telegraphed attacks, unlike some people. Reading is hard isn't it..... "Let's put it this way i have 11k life running a full glass core d/d thief spec.i have 0 problems killing deadeyes. But i can't honestly say Deadeye is a healthy spec for pvp? You can't either" it's obvious at this point your using this to get carried, and you wonder why the player skill level is at an all time low. do you need a hint? shit like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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