Zenith.7301 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 New balance patch gave nothing but nerfs to mesmer and ele, and the specs that suck didn't actually become viable because the buffs were so marginal. Power soulbeast, power reaper, and power rev will still be way behind dragonhunter, warrior, and holosmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Chuck.2864" said: > Power Herald was already good and all it got is buffs. If you seriously think it's bad in PvP\WvW, that's a l2p issue sadly. If you were in a comformed 5 player team, to play one of those tournaments that no longer exist aiming to be competitive, why would you chose a Revenant for the +1 role in an environment in which both Thieves and Mesmers are much stronger for that task? Also, if you were to roam with a partner, which class would be the best to pair with a Rev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeftheWicked.3076 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 It seems they do the lazy approach: 1. Does profession have a meta build for a given game mode, or preffered damage type? 2. If yes, balance around that, screw other options. 3. ???? 4. Profit. Condi Herald and Renegade still await their viability in WvW and sPvP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiki.9310 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"ZeftheWicked.3076" said: > It seems they do the lazy approach: > > 1. Does profession have a meta build for a given game mode, or preffered damage type? > 2. If yes, balance around that, screw other options. > 3. ???? > 4. Profit. > > Condi Herald and Renegade still avait their viability in WvW and sPvP... The moment I pull out the renegade short bow, my teammates complain and say gg. I can't even complain because I know they're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeftheWicked.3076 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 In WvW you'll get to really understand what **short**bow means... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Peddler.2638 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 facet of chaos still has a 5 energy upkeep. not sure if they did a pvp split and just didnt tell anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helius.8321 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yeah the Facet of Chaos still has a 5 upkeep cost in PvP / WvW but it is 4 in PvE. Someone forgot to include that I guess? Seems kinda like it should be the other way around imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 We got a buff, it was just the wrong buff. Rev needed better utility, better condi clear. Instead we got a fairly solid buff to sword 5 making rev even more of a power-assassin in sPvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnusGrim.1594 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said: > We got a buff, it was just the wrong buff. Rev needed better utility, better condi clear. Instead we got a fairly solid buff to sword 5 making rev even more of a power-assassin in sPvP. I'd love some non-legend core rev utility skills we can use as alternatives with legend utilities to fill the necessary gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Curios, did they fix pulsating pestilence? No mention of it in the notes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Be glad they didn't nerf any of our power skills by 40% lol. Poor lava font ;-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klypto.1703 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 The only thing positive I can think of right now is that they could not put a massive rework of rev and/or renegade into todays patch. So they only did minor things to reflect that if it comes soon. Maybe wishful thinking but the only positive way I can see this balance pass working out for a stale meta where revs don't really have a place outside of pve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 The deathstrike animation reduction alone is amazing for power revenant. Additionally most everything got nerfed while power rev has stayed the same, so it’s already going to be doing better than it was before. It’s still a high skill cap class, tho, so I don’t see it becoming super popular even if it’s on par with or better than most other classes. Also toker won the last NA AT with a Revenant, so it’s clearly a viable option, just maybe not as good for solo queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Sigh. I am not surprised at all, but yet another patch with Ventari being nothing more than a joke in PvP. Protective Solace change is both a nerf and a buff. Sustained bubble gets a buff but bubble blasting is now more expensive. Bolster Fortifications getting a damage modifier, umm what? Please attach it to Shared Empowerment and keep BF as strictly defensive/supportive. Shield is still kitten. Best thing to come out of this for me is Banish Enchantment range increase, which I admit is very nice. Overall not bad, but I am just a very bitter centaur lover. Was hoping this patch would give me reason to log on, but alas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meri.9187 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said: > We got a buff, it was just the wrong buff. Rev needed better utility, better condi clear. Instead we got a fairly solid buff to sword 5 making rev even more of a power-assassin in sPvP. Agreed. Sword was already in TOO good of a place, propping the class up when it has meh utility and ghastly condi cleanse. The gap between sword and axe/shield as an offhand is just greater now as other parts of the class continue to be subpar, making a pretty stupidly strong offhand even more of a must take if you want to be viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilson.9865 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > Envoy of Exuberance: Reduced the energy cost of this skill from 10 to 8. From zero to hero! Ty, Anet. This is the Best change ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchimist.4738 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 At least we got better energy management, which is something they've improved since the changes made to Charged Mists. However they haven't touched Renegade, even though it's pretty good in PvE it doesn't change the fact that this specs was awfully designed to begin with, which is why it's unplayable in PvP. And I could understand if Kalla was only good in PvE, you could still play Renegade without her in PvP, but **at the very least** could they make the Shortbow not miss all the time in PvP, because it's baffling to see that they think the Shortbow is in an okay state right now, when you cannot hit anyone that is remotely awake. Or looked at Mallyx, which hasn't really been changed in years, and the last time they changed him they hastily reworked his entire design, and because of that we've a lot of traces of this old design that don't make any sense today, such as Pain Absorption which is a death sentence for yourself in most cases, and traits like Demonic Defiance, Bolstered Anguish, and Maniacal Persistence, that made sense when you could copy conditions with Embrace the Darkness, but today they're just high risks for almost zero reward traits. Mallyx really need to be looked at for PvP, but also PvE, and they need to ask themselves what they want this legend to be. Ventari could also have received few buffs, alongside Jalis which is never used anymore. It's a shame that Revenant is the only class that has **only one viable build in sPvP**, and in PvE you have condition Renegade, and the hand kite build (useful only for one boss), and that's it (still better than Necro though). _Edit: typo_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Peddler.2638 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 also Salvation being worthwhile in a non-healer build would be cool. just want more options that aren't power shiro, why is it ok that rev has one pvp build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligrafers Blade.3871 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"ZeftheWicked.3076" said: > In WvW you'll get to really understand what **short**bow means... No one wants the Renegade in wvw, and there's nothing yet for Condi Herald. The sword was good enough already. Really nothing useful in this patch. But like someone said in one of the posts, maybe they are considering big changed for Renegade? Shortbow 2 and 3 are not making sense the more I play it. Okay 2 maybe. But 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odiasura.9513 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Caligrafers Blade.3871" said: > > @"ZeftheWicked.3076" said: > > In WvW you'll get to really understand what **short**bow means... > > No one wants the Renegade in wvw, and there's nothing yet for Condi Herald. The sword was good enough already. Really nothing useful in this patch. But like someone said in one of the posts, maybe they are considering big changed for Renegade? Shortbow 2 and 3 are not making sense the more I play it. Okay 2 maybe. But 3? Correction, there is nothing useful for YOU in the patch. For those of us who play power rev there are some nice changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayuzi.8274 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"Zenith.7301" said: > New balance patch gave nothing but nerfs to mesmer and ele, and the specs that suck didn't actually become viable because the buffs were so marginal. > > Power soulbeast, power reaper, and power rev will still be way behind dragonhunter, warrior, and holosmith. Power soulbeast has 2k more dps on benchmark than dh rn, and with the buffs on rev/herald they prob will be better than dh as well, anet don't seem to like dh at all sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar.1793 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Still does not fix power rev to enter in raids for sure but man, if you play revenant since a very long time like me, you’d be thankful at the very least for the IO changes. Spamming AA was a real deal breaker and boring af. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 > @"ventusthunder.5067" said: > > @"Master Ketsu.4569" said: > > We got a buff, it was just the wrong buff. Rev needed better utility, better condi clear. Instead we got a fairly solid buff to sword 5 making rev even more of a power-assassin in sPvP. > > Agreed. Sword was already in TOO good of a place, propping the class up when it has meh utility and ghastly condi cleanse. The gap between sword and axe/shield as an offhand is just greater now as other parts of the class continue to be subpar, making a pretty stupidly strong offhand even more of a must take if you want to be viable. That's kind of how I saw it and is the hidden downside to the patch. It could also be read as "We indirectly made every Rev PvP build that doesn't use sword-sword utterly worthless by comparison. Hope ya'll like being Kirito." It is a damn good buff though as I try it more. Helps a lot in the Rev-Mesmer matchup because if the mes jaunts themselves into their backline you generally know that means they are likely out of dodges and can sword 5 meme them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Soulcleave's Summit upkeep need to be reduced so Revenant can use damage skills for this other than Auto. Or give this skill some sort of added damage utility or something since I can only Auto with this skill. Also would be nice if the Renegade's Master traits were more useful and the Mechanic abilities were more useful beside Bombardment. But even that has too high of a energy cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Would be nice if Chaotic Release hit box was more consistent for moving targets or while moving.. edit oh yeah forgot, I welcome these changes. much needed. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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