EpicName.4523 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Last LW episode MAJOR SPOILERS! This game has always suffered from incredibly boring and predictable plot, annoying and/mediocre "allies" and most of all - dull villains. Every time you play the story you can generally predict how it will end. Good guys win and bad guys lose in some shape or form. Characters like Kasmeer lack personality and exist only as an eye candy. It is as if they are there just to shove their political correctness and inclusiveness in your face without actually advancing the plot in any meaningful way. (That constant lesbian banter between Kasmeer and Marjory EVERY damn time they meet is seriously getting on my nerves) The villains - Kralka-whatever and Mordri and Zhaitan are those big bad dragons with no real personality or relatable traits to make them fun or interesting. Balthazar was also a huge missed opportunity - one dimensional villain who wants power at all costs. And finally we have Joko...A villain with some actual personality, vain, but clever and manipulative. Someone with human flaws, which also makes him relatable. Mind you, it is not like Joko is the greatest villain ever written or something, but he is certainly a step in the right direction. His constant taunting and dark sense of humor in the last LWS is refreshing after Balthi and his band of dragons which are as charismatic as a soiled diaper. However, we have a problem. After so much build up time to flesh him out, after several LWS episodes dedicated to him, after the mild implications that the one currently leading the Awakened right now might not even be the lich himself, but a puppet of another power...And then with all that in mind suddenly poor Joko dies. Joko died in a very fun way, just when he was delivering his final monologue. Felt a bit like something taken from Deadpool when the bad guy starts to gloat and is suddenly interrupted in a very painful manner. Sadly, this also likely means that Joko will never be back again which is a real shame.. We need more villains like Joko instead of these generic arch nemesis foes without a drop of humanity in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspirine.5839 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Of course, I do too. One of my favorite villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Soul.5178 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 So he can save Tyria...from us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derd.6413 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 halloween might bring something. fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I hope he stays dead, after having his literal magic unbound the thing that kept him alive and then his physical body being eaten by a dragon, id be upset if they brought him back. I agree with having more enemies with some kinda personality to them, but when all youve faced so far is forces of nature, a disposed god..and some minor insane humans..theres not much wiggle room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 > @"Dante.1763" said: > I hope he stays dead, after having his literal magic unbound the thing that kept him alive and then his physical body being eaten by a dragon, id be upset if they brought him back. > > I agree with having more enemies with some kinda personality to them, but when all youve faced so far is forces of nature, a disposed god..and some minor insane humans..theres not much wiggle room. And a deranged sylvari, Scarlett was an interesting villain too, perhaps a bit of a Harley Quinn knock-off but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 > @"Pifil.5193" said: > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > I hope he stays dead, after having his literal magic unbound the thing that kept him alive and then his physical body being eaten by a dragon, id be upset if they brought him back. > > > > I agree with having more enemies with some kinda personality to them, but when all youve faced so far is forces of nature, a disposed god..and some minor insane humans..theres not much wiggle room. > > And a deranged sylvari, Scarlett was an interesting villain too, perhaps a bit of a Harley Quinn knock-off but interesting. Forgot about her. I was deployed for almost all of Season 1 so i never got to experience it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerinndis.2730 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Well one thing we know for sure is that when Aurene burps she will have Joko Breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeivu.3615 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Can you imagine if we can channel his legend in the next Rev update? There would be so much potential for massively humorous dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdsmith.1072 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Sure Joko is dead but then again so is Mad King Thorn. If The Mad King's spirit can make an appearance from time to time I think the spirit of Joko can as well. Maybe we'll see a Halloween conversation between the two this year or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 We need joko to survive so he can kill off taimi, the most annoying character of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I would be satisfied if Joko join the Mad king in the Mad realm. It seems fitting and people could still get their Joko love every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Joko is the definition of a dull villain. Blaring, gloating, moron with zero awareness. I prefer the silent villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaklex.6308 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 > @"EpicName.4523" said: >~snip~. We need more villains like Joko instead of these generic arch nemesis foes without a drop of humanity in them. Problem is, most villain's don't have a drop of humanity in them...otherwise they wouldn't be villains...and the ones that do end up being comic relief...which is okay on occasion(like with Joko, drop the last "o" and it's Jok) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar.1793 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 If you played since Guild Wars 1, you’d know Joko. Not sure about the other players but I wanted him to die and never got my wish. Felt good to see him die this time. He had it coming since more than 300 years bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMatt.9408 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 At the end of the episode something happens to Aurene. Either she has bad indigestion or Joko has possessed her somehow. Don't see anyone else talking about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segrrock.8041 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 This may be an unpopular opinion, but I thought this was great. Joko was definitely becoming the villain I loved to hate. Was he taken too soon? Maybe. However, I don't feel we hit a point where the general consensus was that he has become stale and repetitive like other villains. I would rather be left wanting more than just being thankful it is finally over. Your mileage may vary. Plus, it was really a twist I didn't see coming. It was not a predictable, already played out narrative. And the story "wrap up" where all the current primary characters just stand around watching this terribly morbid "victory" after it being really spelled out how we are kind of the villain was just fun. I even stopped hating KA-BRAHM for a moment as his narcissistic humor while trying to make sense of it all was genuinely funny. Sure, I am missing a continuation of a different kind of antagonist, but that it means something he is gone is a testament to the storytelling. With how it played out, I have no idea what is coming next, but I am really looking forward to finding out. And isn't that the key to episodic storytelling? My the cheers of "praise Koko" who was bitter in life be replaced with "braise Joko" who certainly seemed tasty in death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plautze.6290 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 > @"Endless Soul.5178" said: > So he can save Tyria...from us? He actually had me thinking at that point. > @"Segrrock.8041" said: > This may be an unpopular opinion, but I thought this was great. > > Joko was definitely becoming the villain I loved to hate. Was he taken too soon? Maybe. However, I don't feel we hit a point where the general consensus was that he has become stale and repetitive like other villains. I would rather be left wanting more than just being thankful it is finally over. Your mileage may vary. > > Plus, it was really a twist I didn't see coming. It was not a predictable, already played out narrative. And the story "wrap up" where all the current primary characters just stand around watching this terribly morbid "victory" after it being really spelled out how we are kind of the villain was just fun. I even stopped hating KA-BRAHM for a moment as his narcissistic humor while trying to make sense of it all was genuinely funny. > > Sure, I am missing a continuation of a different kind of antagonist, but that it means something he is gone is a testament to the storytelling. With how it played out, I have no idea what is coming next, but I am really looking forward to finding out. And isn't that the key to episodic storytelling? > > My the cheers of "praise Koko" who was bitter in life be replaced with "braise Joko" who certainly seemed tasty in death. Agree to everything you say. Also, made my day with your last sentence =) Also can't wait to see how the story continues. Maybe, we'll just be helping the people of Kourna grow crop and clean up the mess that fighting bad guys always leaves in its wake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannir.4132 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 > @"Jumpin Lumpix.6108" said: > We need joko to survive so he can kill off taimi, the most annoying character of all. Wrong, that would be Zojja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotOverlyCheesy.9427 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'm content with how Joko's end was dealt with. What I hope is that we continue to get interesting story, be it in a form of good villain or something else. Kasmeer also doesn't bother me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicName.4523 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 > @"Zaklex.6308" said: > > @"EpicName.4523" said: > >~snip~. We need more villains like Joko instead of these generic arch nemesis foes without a drop of humanity in them. > > Problem is, most villain's don't have a drop of humanity in them...otherwise they wouldn't be villains...and the ones that do end up being comic relief...which is okay on occasion(like with Joko, drop the last "o" and it's Jok) > > On the contrary. Humans are flawed. Humans have weaknesses. However, it is the struggle of the heroes which overcome those flaws and weaknesses which makes them relatable. Take a look at Rey from Star Wars. No struggle, no journey to become better, no inner conflict...she is a Mary Sue, everything a hero should NOT be. Similarly, a great villain must be relatable in a different way. Take Killmonger from Black Panther or Thanos. You see that the actions of the villain are motivated by something they themselves have experienced. That they have struggled to learn a lesson which they now relate to the rest of the world in their own manner. That they have a viewpoint that is not entirely wrong or is rooted in some truth. This is what makes them more interesting than the next run-of-the-mill bad guy with no other driving force besides hunger for power and domination. In short...these traits, which have been learned the hard way make the villains become more human and to a degree - even somewhat likeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauderi.8706 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'd like a villain with the same range of threat and intellect, but... Not Joko. Not a cut-rate undead Joker who I had to suffer through explicitly via Idiot Plot. Not something so "overpowered" that I need a dragon to come save me. But, Joko's arc also ended too soon, methinks. He was a threat large enough to span an entire Living World season, and it would be better if he were something we *couldn't* destroy, only re-seal. (Because otherwise we get silly stuff like undead/plantdead minions still existing in old zones, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin.6921 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 They were very clear on the AMA that the Joko story is over. So unless it is a deliberate misdirection (which i do not think is it) Joko is literally a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelweiss.4261 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Honestly, I was tired of Joko after Guild Wars 1. He's just a flat caricature of a villain. As much as I disliked Scarlett's shtick, she became interesting post mortem. I don't imagine Joko will be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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