Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing Then one shouldn't remain logged in to a game if they're unable to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoBadger.8531 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseofGilead.8907 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I'm not seeing what unfair advantage they're getting. You may not like it, but they're not breaking rules. Heck, if they're breaking rules, then I guess I am, too, since I almost always have a movie/tv show/youtube videos running while I'm playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrbitalButt.5708 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 You just said they weren't afk, just inattentive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"OrbitalButt.5708" said: > You just said they weren't afk, just inattentive According to them they are inattentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanBB.4268 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I don't know what you expect Anet to do about it. They are playing the game, placing turrets and moving their characters on occasion. No afk/inactivity routines will detect them. Even the fact that they responded shows they are not truly afk. If you ever come across a character you believe is afk, just report it (or ignore it if you can't be bothered to report) and move on. It's Anet's job to sort that stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoBadger.8531 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. > > If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. So what? Oh no, someone got a little bit of XP and a few items while they did the dishes. Why do you care how people choose to play the game when it has literally no impact your game or experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > > > > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. > > > > If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. > > So what? Oh no, someone got a little bit of XP and a few items while they did the dishes. Why do you care how people choose to play the game when it has literally no impact your game or experience? Can the same be said about afk farmers or botters? In the end they are not actively playing the game. I'm not talking about stepping away for a few minutes but for long periods of time and occasionally checking GW2. It is an unfair advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"DeanBB.4268" said: > I don't know what you expect Anet to do about it. They are playing the game, placing turrets and moving their characters on occasion. No afk/inactivity routines will detect them. Even the fact that they responded shows they are not truly afk. > > If you ever come across a character you believe is afk, just report it (or ignore it if you can't be bothered to report) and move on. It's Anet's job to sort that stuff out. Maybe you're right. There is no way to detect them since they occasionally check back in to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoBadger.8531 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > > > > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > > > > > > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. > > > > > > If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. > > > > So what? Oh no, someone got a little bit of XP and a few items while they did the dishes. Why do you care how people choose to play the game when it has literally no impact your game or experience? > > Can the same be said about afk farmers or botters? In the end they are not actively playing the game. I'm not talking about stepping away for a few minutes but for long periods of time and occasionally checking GW2. It is an unfair advantage. But it isn't an advantage over anything. You're calling it an advantage because they're choosing to keep their game running to kill a small mob or group of mobs for such a small amount of XP it's hilarious. It's not like they can take down champions with a necro minion and a turret. It doesn't give them _any_ advantage over you in the game if you're actually playing while they're watching Star Wars. You can easily get 10x the XP they can in the same amount of time by running a meta or Fractal, and get better items out of it to. It's just giving them a little bit more than they would have had, and they can't even go anywhere because they have to keep the game active by shaking that booty on occasion. So seriously, why do you care? Just play your game and let them enjoy their movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > > > > > > > > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. > > > > > > > > If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. > > > > > > So what? Oh no, someone got a little bit of XP and a few items while they did the dishes. Why do you care how people choose to play the game when it has literally no impact your game or experience? > > > > Can the same be said about afk farmers or botters? In the end they are not actively playing the game. I'm not talking about stepping away for a few minutes but for long periods of time and occasionally checking GW2. It is an unfair advantage. > > But it isn't an advantage over anything. You're calling it an advantage because they're choosing to keep their game running to kill a small mob or group of mobs for such a small amount of XP it's hilarious. It's not like they can take down champions with a necro minion and a turret. > > It doesn't give them _any_ advantage over you in the game if you're actually playing while they're watching Star Wars. You can easily get 10x the XP they can in the same amount of time by running a meta or Fractal, and get better items out of it to. It's just giving them a little bit more than they would have had, and they can't even go anywhere because they have to keep the game active by shaking that booty on occasion. > > So seriously, why do you care? Just play your game and let them enjoy their movie. Based on your logic afk farmers and botters are okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger.1459 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" or "inattentive farming"... will not do anything. And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoBadger.8531 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > > > > @"CamoBadger.8531" said: > > > > > > > > Who cares? It doesn't impact you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said it's an unfair advantage like AFK farming and botting. > > > > > > > > > > > > What unfair advantage are they getting? It's exactly the same as if they were camping there while sitting at their computers staring at the game. > > > > > > > > > > If they are staring at the game then chances are they wouldn't be "inattentive farming"; they would actually be playing the game like farming SW or running fractals , etc. They are gaining experience and materials when they're not actively playing. People who are not logged in playing the game are not getting the same rewards. > > > > > > > > So what? Oh no, someone got a little bit of XP and a few items while they did the dishes. Why do you care how people choose to play the game when it has literally no impact your game or experience? > > > > > > Can the same be said about afk farmers or botters? In the end they are not actively playing the game. I'm not talking about stepping away for a few minutes but for long periods of time and occasionally checking GW2. It is an unfair advantage. > > > > But it isn't an advantage over anything. You're calling it an advantage because they're choosing to keep their game running to kill a small mob or group of mobs for such a small amount of XP it's hilarious. It's not like they can take down champions with a necro minion and a turret. > > > > It doesn't give them _any_ advantage over you in the game if you're actually playing while they're watching Star Wars. You can easily get 10x the XP they can in the same amount of time by running a meta or Fractal, and get better items out of it to. It's just giving them a little bit more than they would have had, and they can't even go anywhere because they have to keep the game active by shaking that booty on occasion. > > > > So seriously, why do you care? Just play your game and let them enjoy their movie. > > Based on your logic afk farmers and botters are okay then. To me it absolutely is, because again; it has no impact on me or my game whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. > > Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" will not do anything. > > And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. Thanks for your reply but the post was about why is "inattentive farming" acceptable. If Anet and it sounds like the community are completely fine with this this then okay. I could remain logged in to the game on my minion necro farming mobs while mowing the yard and cleaning the house. This was just a topic to be discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger.1459 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > > > > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > > > > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. > > > > Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" will not do anything. > > > > And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. > > Thanks for your reply but the post was about why is "inattentive farming" acceptable. If Anet and it sounds like the community are completely fine with this this then okay. I could remain logged in to the game on my minion necro farming mobs while mowing the yard and cleaning the house. This was just a topic to be discussed. I edited my post just now. Report if you have a concern and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > > > > > > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > > > > > > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. > > > > > > Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" will not do anything. > > > > > > And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. > > > > Thanks for your reply but the post was about why is "inattentive farming" acceptable. If Anet and it sounds like the community are completely fine with this this then okay. I could remain logged in to the game on my minion necro farming mobs while mowing the yard and cleaning the house. This was just a topic to be discussed. > > I edited my post just now. Report if you have a concern and move on. Thanks. I wanted to get a better understanding of why this is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoSundown.5419 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > > > > > > > > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > > > > > > > > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. > > > > > > > > Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" will not do anything. > > > > > > > > And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply but the post was about why is "inattentive farming" acceptable. If Anet and it sounds like the community are completely fine with this this then okay. I could remain logged in to the game on my minion necro farming mobs while mowing the yard and cleaning the house. This was just a topic to be discussed. > > > > I edited my post just now. Report if you have a concern and move on. > > Thanks. I wanted to get a better understanding of why this is acceptable. Anyone but ANet would be guessing, but here goes. The answer to any, "Why?" question about a business usually breaks down to money. Therefore, the following seems like a reasonable possibility. ANet has probably adopted a fairly generous stance which allows for "inattentive" farming because they don't want either the bad PR or increased GM time needed to stop those who are less actively controlling their characters. Both bad PR and increased GM workload can cost money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraki.5784 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing > > Then one shouldn't remain logged in to a game if they're unable to play. Why? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do?! If I'm unable to play I'm totally free to stay afk in a town or wherever I want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"Zaraki.5784" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing > > > > Then one shouldn't remain logged in to a game if they're unable to play. > > Why? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do?! If I'm unable to play I'm totally free to stay afk in a town or wherever I want! It's called logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraki.5784 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"iczek.9628" said: > > @"Zaraki.5784" said: > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing > > > > > > Then one shouldn't remain logged in to a game if they're unable to play. > > > > Why? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do?! If I'm unable to play I'm totally free to stay afk in a town or wherever I want! > > It's called logic. It's called "I'm free to do illogical things". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"Zaraki.5784" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"Zaraki.5784" said: > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > > Better than sitting afk in a town and doing nothing > > > > > > > > Then one shouldn't remain logged in to a game if they're unable to play. > > > > > > Why? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do?! If I'm unable to play I'm totally free to stay afk in a town or wherever I want! > > > > It's called logic. > > It's called "I'm free to do illogical things". You're absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zander.9836 Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 > @"IndigoSundown.5419" said: > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > @"Swagger.1459" said: > > > > > > @"iczek.9628" said: > > > > > > I came across 3 players that appeared to be afk farming. 2 necros including their pets and an engie with his turrets. Mobs kept spawning and the pets and turrets kept killing them. I typed "akf?" A moment later someone replied with this: > > > > > > > > > > > > "AFK farming isn't okay, because it tends to lead people to stop playing (both the AFKers and those who see them); it has an economic impact, too, but not as severe. Inattentive farming is okay. For example, you can watch a movie while moving your character occasionally." (I did find this original post in the forums although the movie reference was not included in the original post) > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the difference but they're not playing actively playing the game. They can be playing CS:GO, or watching a movie like they said, or cleaning the house. The point is they are not actively playing the game. They are doing activities outside the game while having their characters logged in and gaining items in the game while they are not actively playing. People will probably argue this is fine since they check their computer occasionally but in the end they are not actively playing the game. It does give the appearance of them having an unfair advantage. > > > > > > > > > > Use the in-game report function and move on. Posting on the forums about " afk farming" or "botting" will not do anything. > > > > > > > > > > And maybe somebody is not truly "afk" or "botting", but that's not up for you, I or us to determine. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply but the post was about why is "inattentive farming" acceptable. If Anet and it sounds like the community are completely fine with this this then okay. I could remain logged in to the game on my minion necro farming mobs while mowing the yard and cleaning the house. This was just a topic to be discussed. > > > > > > I edited my post just now. Report if you have a concern and move on. > > > > Thanks. I wanted to get a better understanding of why this is acceptable. > > Anyone but ANet would be guessing, but here goes. The answer to any, "Why?" question about a business usually breaks down to money. Therefore, the following seems like a reasonable possibility. ANet has probably adopted a fairly generous stance which allows for "inattentive" farming because they don't want either the bad PR or increased GM time needed to stop those who are less actively controlling their characters. Both bad PR and increased GM workload can cost money. That very well could be it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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