Account Vault - Silk/Gossamer/Damask patches

[iker.5629]

Would be nice if we could deposit these item in the account vault. Thoughts?

[Rankomonaut.4708]

Uhm, there was a poll when they extended the vaults for more mats.

I'd say: Don't craft the stuff you don't need right now - since those aren't enemy drops or loot, the amount in your inventory/bank is completely your own doing.

 

So I advise some moderation.

[Tanner Blackfeather.6509]

> @"Rankomonaut.4708" said:

> Uhm, there was a poll when they extended the vaults for more mats.

> I'd say: Don't craft the stuff you don't need right now - since those aren't enemy drops or loot, the amount in your inventory/bank is completely your own doing.

>

> So I advise some moderation.

 

While I generally agree, I think it's a problem that they can only be crafted in multiples of 5, while only Exotic crafting actually uses even multiples of 5. A full set of Masterwork armor requires 6 patches, while a full set Rare armor requires 12.

 

Make the recipe produce 1 patch from 1 cloth and 2 leather (or even better, 1:1) instead - *then* it would match dowels.

[Khisanth.2948]

> @"Rankomonaut.4708" said:

> Uhm, there was a poll when they extended the vaults for more mats.

> I'd say: Don't craft the stuff you don't need right now - since those aren't enemy drops or loot, the amount in your inventory/bank is completely your own doing.

>

> So I advise some moderation.

 

I agree except there are some annoying situations. The gossamer patches are crafted 5 at a time but some stuff uses different amounts of them.

[Rankomonaut.4708]

Oh indeed, I didn't think about that. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

The short story is that there's a hard limit on how many things can be added to material storage, a permanent cap for the lifetime of the game. ANet decided to reject the addition of certain categories of items to prevent hitting that limit too quickly.

(Incidentally, ANet has never shared how close we are to that cap. And keep in mind: with every LS episode, we're adding 1+ new items; with every expansion, we're adding a lot more.)

 

As a result, "it would be nice" or "it would be convenient" is not a sufficient argument to change the status quo _for this particular inconvenience_.

 

Personally, I'm not at all against the idea. I'm pointing out that it's an uphill battle, as the developer championing the biggest overhaul to storage since launch wrote (quote below). Make a strong case for why it belongs and I'm sure it will be considered.

 

 

 

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

Here's what @"LinseyMurdock.4165" wrote about material storage during the period before she overhauled it. To make navigation easier, I've added _some of the_ headings, emphasis, or spoiler markup. The rest of the text is verbatim.

 

> [Original Summary](https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Additions-to-Material-Storage/6614116)

> **“Yeah yeah yeah, lady, but WHAT’S ON THE LIST!?”**

>

> ##### Common Crafting Materials

>

> * Milling Basins

>

> ##### Core Refinements (new)

>

>! > * Jute Patch

>! > * Wool Patch

>! > * Cotton Patch

>! > * Linen Patch

>! > * Silk Patch

>! > * Gossamer Patch

>! > * Damask Patch

>! > * Jeweled Damask Patch

>! > * Green Wood Dowel

>! > * Soft Wood Dowel

>! > * Seasoned Wood Dowel

>! > * Hard Wood Dowel

>! > * Elder Wood Dowel

>! > * Ancient Wood Dowel

>! > * Spiritwood Dowel

>! > * Bronze Plated Dowel

>! > * Iron Plated Dowel

>! > * Steel Plated Dowel

>! > * Darksteel Plated Dowel

>! > * Mithril Plated Dowel

>! > * Orichalcum Plated Dowel

>! > * Deldrimor Steel Plated Dowel

>! > * Jeweled Deldrimor Steel Plated Dowel

>

> ##### Fine Crafting Materials

>

>! > * Blade Shards

>! > * Shimmering Crystals

>! > * Tenebrous Crystals

>

> ##### Rare Crafting Materials

>

>! > * Bloodstone Shard

>! > * Elonian Wine

>! > * Brick of Clay

>! > * Chak Eggs

>! > * Eldritch Scoll

>! > * Fractal Research Pages

>! > * Icy Runestone

>! > * Legendary Insights

>! > * Mystic Binding Agents

>! > * Mystic Crystals

>! > * Mystic Forge Stone

>! > * Philosopher Stones

>! > * Reclaimed Metal Plates

>! > * Unid Fossilized Insect

>

> ##### Ascended Materials

>

>! > * +1 Agony Infusion

>! > * Anthology of Heroes

>! > * Augur’s Stones

>! > * Lesser Vision Crystal

>! > * Vision Crystal

>! > * Mystic Runestone

>

> ##### Gemstones and Jewels

>

>! > * Amalgamated Gemstones

>! > * Copper Doubloon

>! > * Gold Doubloon

>! > * Platinum Doubloon

>! > * Silver Doubloon

>

> ##### Cooking Staples (new)

>

>! > * Baker’s Dry Ingredients

>! > * Baker’s Wet Ingredients

>! > * Cookie Dough

>! > * Dough

>! > * Simple Dressing

>! > * Candy Corn glaze

>! > * Cream Soup Base

>! > * Ice cream base

>! > * Poultry Stock

>! > * Meat Stock

>! > * Vegetable Stock

>! > * Staple Soup Vegetables

>! > * Tomato Sauce

>! > * Loaf of Bread

>! > * Salt and Pepper

>! > * Simple Stew Herbs

>! > * Stirfry Spice Mix

>! > * Pumpkin Pie Spice

>! > * Roux

>

> ##### Scribing Materials (new)

>

>! > * Crystalline Bottles

>! > * Lump of Glass

>! > * Linen Supply Sack

>! > * Green Wood Pulp

>! > * Soft Wood Pulp

>! > * Seasoned Wood Pulp

>! > * Hard Wood Pulp

>! > * Elder Wood Pulp

>! > * Ancient Wood Pulp

>! > * Copper Nib

>! > * Silver Nib

>! > * Gold Nib

>! > * Platinum Nib

>! > * Mithril Nib

>! > * Orichalcum Nib

>! > * Glittering Blotting Powder

>! > * Shimmering Blotting Powder

>! > * Radiant Blotting Powder

>! > * Luminous Blotting Powder

>! > * Incandescent Blotting Powder

>! > * Crystalline Blotting Powder

>! > * Coarse Paper

>! > * Rough Paper

>! > * Fine Paper

>! > * Smooth Paper

>! > * Quality Paper

>! > * Premium Paper

>! > * Extra Coarse Sandpaper

>! > * Coarse Sandpaper

>! > * Medium Sandpaper

>! > * Fine Sandpaper

>! > * Superfine Sandpaper

>! > * Ultrafine Sandpaper

>! > * Simple Scribing Kit

>! > * Basic Scribing Kit

>! > * Fine Scribing Kit

>! > * Journeyman’s Scribing Kit

>! > * Master Scribing Kit

>! > * Grandmaster Scribing Kit

>! > * Simple Finishing Kit

>! > * Basic Finishing Kit

>! > * Fine Finishing Kit

>! > * Journeyman’s Finishing Kit

>! > * Master’s Finishing Kit

>! > * Grandmaster Finishing Kit

>! > * Badges of Tribute

>! > * Coarse Book Cover

>! > * Rough Book Cover

>! > * Fine Book Cover

>! > * Smooth Book Cover

>! > * Quality Book Cover

>! > * Premium Book Cover

>! > * Mortar

>! > * Wood Glue

>

> That’s 125 items and 3 new categories (I’ll also be changing some category names and item rarities to better fit). More than I should do from a pure numbers standpoint, so **if you are going to try making a case for adding anything else to this fairly exhaustive list than you should know it will be an uphill climb. I’ll hear you out, but know I will be a hard sell.** If anything, I am looking for cuts to this list, not adds. We’ve spent a ton of time thinking this through. I’ll post some notes on those choices in a reply post since the forums are telling me this is too long.

>

> I’ll personally be paying attention to discussion here and on The Inevitable Reddit Thread™ for the next week. I’ll be finalizing the list in the following week and finding the time to DO THE WORK after that. When it comes to timeline, I normally say “no promises!” but in this case, I promise that I refuse to let this go a whole year since my original post without shipping.

 

****

> [Follow-up](https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Additions-to-Material-Storage/6614118)

> ##### Rules of Thumb

> * **No “components”** has been my go to up til now but you will notice there are a bunch of things here that might be called “component”. The ways I softened but did not eliminate this rule is two fold: 1) allow a second tier of refinement like dowels and patches which are used cross discipline, 2) allow a number of scribing and cooking components that feel very core to the disciple and are used over and over throughout but did not have OTHER components in their ingredients which are also being added to storage (eg no herbed stocks because base stocks go in).

> * **No Inscriptions and Insignias.** I just felt that there were too many and there were more important things that crafters were more likely to be holding on to for longer.

>! > * **No sigils and runes.** I believe there are WAY better solutions to this problem.

>! > * **No legendary gifts.** Too many. Too niche.

>! > * **No Piles of Silky Sand.** Just consume them, geez.

>! > * **No SAB Baubles and Bubble Baubles.** I spoke with the SAB designers and this is a technical limitation with how that stuff all works in SAB.

>! > * **No WvW Blueprints.** I spoke with the WvW designers and they felt that this would create a bad user experience for players who legit use blueprints.

>! > * **No Black Lion stuff.** There is a combination of technical issues and a lack of desire for those to work that way.

>! > * **No Boosters, Tonics, Foods** (general food consumables not the core cooking ingredients), utility buff, and potions. Just no. Seriously. There are way too many and there is a whole host of reasons why you just get a no.

>! > * **No Instant Repair Canisters, Bank Access Express, Trading Post Express, Merchant Express, Revive Orb.** Please just use these.

>! > * **No Luck.** Just no.

>! > * **No trophy items** that make specific decorations etc for the guild hall. Too many. Too niche.

>! > * **No keys.** There are better solutions for keys that we have not yet had time to pursue and I want to leave room for us to do those things instead.

>!

> ##### Caveat

> **Reminder: Once an item has been added to Material Storage, it can never be removed or moved to a different category. However, I did get a small piece of tech to allow me to re-organize within each bucket and I’ll be doing some re-ordering work as part of this update.**

>

> ##### Rejected

>! > • **No Lumber Cores or Pruning Shears.** We count these as trophies used for guild hall decorations which I already mentioned we opted to not include.

>! > • **No Golden Fractal Relic + Integrated Fractal Matrix.** I discussed these with the Fractals team extensively throughout the process and they opted to investigate other solutions.

>! > • **No Writs and Tomes.** I do not want to put in consumables of this nature.

>! > • **No Strategic Defense Map of the Mists.** Used in very few things at a low cost.

>! > • **No Toys and Tonics.** These are so outside of any of our qualifications for going into storage that I can’t believe I am having to explain why they aren’t going in.

>! > • **No Essence of Time.** It is a trophy used in two things, one of them being a decoration.

>! >

> ##### Things to think about a bit more:

>! > • **Miyani Items.** A lot of folks have rightly pointed out that all of Miyani’s items should go into storage. I haven’t made a final determination on this yet, but it’s likely that we will cut at least some of these from the list.

>! > • **Indigo Mushrooms + Mushroom Milk.** I’m really on the fence about this one. I had wanted to allow them to keep dropping because they do make foods that can continue to be used, but I don’t particularly want to include them in storage because of how you start acquiring them. I’ll think about it more though.

>! > • **Badges of Tribute.** We said no to these largely because of how you get them and use them. They are bought from a vendor and can be immediately consumed by crafting low-ish cost items with them. I will check in with the WvW team to see if they disagree with that sentiment.

>! > • **Mystic Runestone.** If I am going to put in Icy Runestone, I should probably put in this one as well.

>! > • **Marks, Talismans, Seals, Medallions, and Crests.** I have almost zero desire to put all 25 into storage, but I will rethink Crests specifically because of their inclusion in Amalgamated Gemstone crafting.

>! > • **Ascended crafting materials that make Grandmaster Marks.** This is going to be a tough one. There are a lot of items here. I’ll consult with the PvP team and my fellow rewards folks.

[iker.5629]

 

Illconceived Was Na.9781 Thank you. very informative and helpful answer.

 

 

> @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said:

> Here's what @"LinseyMurdock.4165" wrote about material storage during the period before she overhauled it. To make navigation easier, I've added _some of the_ headings, emphasis, or spoiler markup. The rest of the text is verbatim.

>

> > [Original Summary](https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Additions-to-Material-Storage/6614116)

> > **“Yeah yeah yeah, lady, but WHAT’S ON THE LIST!?”**

> >

> > ##### Common Crafting Materials

> >

> > * Milling Basins

> >

> > ##### Core Refinements (new)

> >

> >! > * Jute Patch

> >! > * Wool Patch

> >! > * Cotton Patch

> >! > * Linen Patch

> >! > * Silk Patch

> >! > * Gossamer Patch

> >! > * Damask Patch

> >! > * Jeweled Damask Patch

> >! > * Green Wood Dowel

> >! > * Soft Wood Dowel

> >! > * Seasoned Wood Dowel

> >! > * Hard Wood Dowel

> >! > * Elder Wood Dowel

> >! > * Ancient Wood Dowel

> >! > * Spiritwood Dowel

> >! > * Bronze Plated Dowel

> >! > * Iron Plated Dowel

> >! > * Steel Plated Dowel

> >! > * Darksteel Plated Dowel

> >! > * Mithril Plated Dowel

> >! > * Orichalcum Plated Dowel

> >! > * Deldrimor Steel Plated Dowel

> >! > * Jeweled Deldrimor Steel Plated Dowel

> >

> > ##### Fine Crafting Materials

> >

> >! > * Blade Shards

> >! > * Shimmering Crystals

> >! > * Tenebrous Crystals

> >

> > ##### Rare Crafting Materials

> >

> >! > * Bloodstone Shard

> >! > * Elonian Wine

> >! > * Brick of Clay

> >! > * Chak Eggs

> >! > * Eldritch Scoll

> >! > * Fractal Research Pages

> >! > * Icy Runestone

> >! > * Legendary Insights

> >! > * Mystic Binding Agents

> >! > * Mystic Crystals

> >! > * Mystic Forge Stone

> >! > * Philosopher Stones

> >! > * Reclaimed Metal Plates

> >! > * Unid Fossilized Insect

> >

> > ##### Ascended Materials

> >

> >! > * +1 Agony Infusion

> >! > * Anthology of Heroes

> >! > * Augur’s Stones

> >! > * Lesser Vision Crystal

> >! > * Vision Crystal

> >! > * Mystic Runestone

> >

> > ##### Gemstones and Jewels

> >

> >! > * Amalgamated Gemstones

> >! > * Copper Doubloon

> >! > * Gold Doubloon

> >! > * Platinum Doubloon

> >! > * Silver Doubloon

> >

> > ##### Cooking Staples (new)

> >

> >! > * Baker’s Dry Ingredients

> >! > * Baker’s Wet Ingredients

> >! > * Cookie Dough

> >! > * Dough

> >! > * Simple Dressing

> >! > * Candy Corn glaze

> >! > * Cream Soup Base

> >! > * Ice cream base

> >! > * Poultry Stock

> >! > * Meat Stock

> >! > * Vegetable Stock

> >! > * Staple Soup Vegetables

> >! > * Tomato Sauce

> >! > * Loaf of Bread

> >! > * Salt and Pepper

> >! > * Simple Stew Herbs

> >! > * Stirfry Spice Mix

> >! > * Pumpkin Pie Spice

> >! > * Roux

> >

> > ##### Scribing Materials (new)

> >

> >! > * Crystalline Bottles

> >! > * Lump of Glass

> >! > * Linen Supply Sack

> >! > * Green Wood Pulp

> >! > * Soft Wood Pulp

> >! > * Seasoned Wood Pulp

> >! > * Hard Wood Pulp

> >! > * Elder Wood Pulp

> >! > * Ancient Wood Pulp

> >! > * Copper Nib

> >! > * Silver Nib

> >! > * Gold Nib

> >! > * Platinum Nib

> >! > * Mithril Nib

> >! > * Orichalcum Nib

> >! > * Glittering Blotting Powder

> >! > * Shimmering Blotting Powder

> >! > * Radiant Blotting Powder

> >! > * Luminous Blotting Powder

> >! > * Incandescent Blotting Powder

> >! > * Crystalline Blotting Powder

> >! > * Coarse Paper

> >! > * Rough Paper

> >! > * Fine Paper

> >! > * Smooth Paper

> >! > * Quality Paper

> >! > * Premium Paper

> >! > * Extra Coarse Sandpaper

> >! > * Coarse Sandpaper

> >! > * Medium Sandpaper

> >! > * Fine Sandpaper

> >! > * Superfine Sandpaper

> >! > * Ultrafine Sandpaper

> >! > * Simple Scribing Kit

> >! > * Basic Scribing Kit

> >! > * Fine Scribing Kit

> >! > * Journeyman’s Scribing Kit

> >! > * Master Scribing Kit

> >! > * Grandmaster Scribing Kit

> >! > * Simple Finishing Kit

> >! > * Basic Finishing Kit

> >! > * Fine Finishing Kit

> >! > * Journeyman’s Finishing Kit

> >! > * Master’s Finishing Kit

> >! > * Grandmaster Finishing Kit

> >! > * Badges of Tribute

> >! > * Coarse Book Cover

> >! > * Rough Book Cover

> >! > * Fine Book Cover

> >! > * Smooth Book Cover

> >! > * Quality Book Cover

> >! > * Premium Book Cover

> >! > * Mortar

> >! > * Wood Glue

> >

> > That’s 125 items and 3 new categories (I’ll also be changing some category names and item rarities to better fit). More than I should do from a pure numbers standpoint, so **if you are going to try making a case for adding anything else to this fairly exhaustive list than you should know it will be an uphill climb. I’ll hear you out, but know I will be a hard sell.** If anything, I am looking for cuts to this list, not adds. We’ve spent a ton of time thinking this through. I’ll post some notes on those choices in a reply post since the forums are telling me this is too long.

> >

> > I’ll personally be paying attention to discussion here and on The Inevitable Reddit Thread™ for the next week. I’ll be finalizing the list in the following week and finding the time to DO THE WORK after that. When it comes to timeline, I normally say “no promises!” but in this case, I promise that I refuse to let this go a whole year since my original post without shipping.

>

> ****

> > [Follow-up](https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Additions-to-Material-Storage/6614118)

> > ##### Rules of Thumb

> > * **No “components”** has been my go to up til now but you will notice there are a bunch of things here that might be called “component”. The ways I softened but did not eliminate this rule is two fold: 1) allow a second tier of refinement like dowels and patches which are used cross discipline, 2) allow a number of scribing and cooking components that feel very core to the disciple and are used over and over throughout but did not have OTHER components in their ingredients which are also being added to storage (eg no herbed stocks because base stocks go in).

> > * **No Inscriptions and Insignias.** I just felt that there were too many and there were more important things that crafters were more likely to be holding on to for longer.

> >! > * **No sigils and runes.** I believe there are WAY better solutions to this problem.

> >! > * **No legendary gifts.** Too many. Too niche.

> >! > * **No Piles of Silky Sand.** Just consume them, geez.

> >! > * **No SAB Baubles and Bubble Baubles.** I spoke with the SAB designers and this is a technical limitation with how that stuff all works in SAB.

> >! > * **No WvW Blueprints.** I spoke with the WvW designers and they felt that this would create a bad user experience for players who legit use blueprints.

> >! > * **No Black Lion stuff.** There is a combination of technical issues and a lack of desire for those to work that way.

> >! > * **No Boosters, Tonics, Foods** (general food consumables not the core cooking ingredients), utility buff, and potions. Just no. Seriously. There are way too many and there is a whole host of reasons why you just get a no.

> >! > * **No Instant Repair Canisters, Bank Access Express, Trading Post Express, Merchant Express, Revive Orb.** Please just use these.

> >! > * **No Luck.** Just no.

> >! > * **No trophy items** that make specific decorations etc for the guild hall. Too many. Too niche.

> >! > * **No keys.** There are better solutions for keys that we have not yet had time to pursue and I want to leave room for us to do those things instead.

> >!

> > ##### Caveat

> > **Reminder: Once an item has been added to Material Storage, it can never be removed or moved to a different category. However, I did get a small piece of tech to allow me to re-organize within each bucket and I’ll be doing some re-ordering work as part of this update.**

> >

> > ##### Rejected

> >! > • **No Lumber Cores or Pruning Shears.** We count these as trophies used for guild hall decorations which I already mentioned we opted to not include.

> >! > • **No Golden Fractal Relic + Integrated Fractal Matrix.** I discussed these with the Fractals team extensively throughout the process and they opted to investigate other solutions.

> >! > • **No Writs and Tomes.** I do not want to put in consumables of this nature.

> >! > • **No Strategic Defense Map of the Mists.** Used in very few things at a low cost.

> >! > • **No Toys and Tonics.** These are so outside of any of our qualifications for going into storage that I can’t believe I am having to explain why they aren’t going in.

> >! > • **No Essence of Time.** It is a trophy used in two things, one of them being a decoration.

> >! >

> > ##### Things to think about a bit more:

> >! > • **Miyani Items.** A lot of folks have rightly pointed out that all of Miyani’s items should go into storage. I haven’t made a final determination on this yet, but it’s likely that we will cut at least some of these from the list.

> >! > • **Indigo Mushrooms + Mushroom Milk.** I’m really on the fence about this one. I had wanted to allow them to keep dropping because they do make foods that can continue to be used, but I don’t particularly want to include them in storage because of how you start acquiring them. I’ll think about it more though.

> >! > • **Badges of Tribute.** We said no to these largely because of how you get them and use them. They are bought from a vendor and can be immediately consumed by crafting low-ish cost items with them. I will check in with the WvW team to see if they disagree with that sentiment.

> >! > • **Mystic Runestone.** If I am going to put in Icy Runestone, I should probably put in this one as well.

> >! > • **Marks, Talismans, Seals, Medallions, and Crests.** I have almost zero desire to put all 25 into storage, but I will rethink Crests specifically because of their inclusion in Amalgamated Gemstone crafting.

> >! > • **Ascended crafting materials that make Grandmaster Marks.** This is going to be a tough one. There are a lot of items here. I’ll consult with the PvP team and my fellow rewards folks.