Bloodelfcragy.4028 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yea it be nice if i didnt have to spam the 1 button to attck at my max range If there is a reason it is like this then please tell me. Otherwise lets see if we can get this fixed. "Efficiency isn't affected it's a maintenance problem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunjiKugashira.9754 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. The rest applies fully, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman.5829 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > The rest applies fully, though. Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoSpyro.1780 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. This is the most "WELL ACSHUALLY..!" post ever. If it hits at 1800, but lists 1500, then one of these is wrong. Bug. Either change the number to reflect reality, or nerf arrow range to 1500 to match Kneel. Nerf this "feature" pl0x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > The rest applies fully, though. > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. Because bullets, in gw2, don't arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugheszie.6291 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > The rest applies fully, though. > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. Arrows ark, bullets go straight. It's a mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > It's a mechanic. Then 1500 should be the end of arrows arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etria.3642 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 But certainly not a lingering one, right? I mean, after 6 + years they are most definitely still working on it. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaklex.6308 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 As for the more damage when shooting downhill part, from my experience it does help to shoot downhill as you do get more damage, but not necessarily more distance...whether it's intentional a bug or something that was never told to us is unknown, and it's not consistent so, draw your own conclusions(I personally don't rely on it happening). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman.5829 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > It's a mechanic. As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > > > It's a mechanic. > > As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. For real world physics, yes. For game mechanics physics, not necessarily. At that point, projectile speed matters - do you want bullets to have a delay from firing to hit like other projectiles? > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > In GW1 we officially had a mechanic that arrows fly further and do more damage when you shoot downhill. As far as I know this is not the case in GW2. Here it's just a bug. Man I miss GW1 projectile physics and different bow types sometimes! The variety! The tradeoffs! *nostalgia* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias.9657 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I loved that on my ranger in FA spreading poison cripple and bleed from way up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warobaz.9543 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 This is the same case with Ele staff fire 1, the ball arcs a bit further than 1200. Nice way to reach Claw of Jormag'head from the safe area in 2nd phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceDead.1963 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 > @"Warobaz.9543" said: > This is the same case with Ele staff fire 1, the ball arcs a bit further than 1200. Nice way to reach Claw of Jormag'head from the safe area in 2nd phase. Also great for bombing people from a tower in WvW and there's nothing they can do about it. Those fireballs hurt, and eventually someone will die... Unless they counter ranger/elementalist bomb you from the tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugheszie.6291 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > > > It's a mechanic. > > As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. They do. Bullets are fired in a straight line from eye line in the game and arrows are fired upward in an arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alimar.8760 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Longbows arc and rifles fire straight. You can hit farther on the longbow if you're angled correctly but that doesn't mean your max range for auto attacking is any less or more than what it is said to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman.5829 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > > > > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > > > > > It's a mechanic. > > > > As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. > > They do. Bullets are fired in a straight line from eye line in the game and arrows are fired upward in an arc. LOL, in physics a projectile is any kind of object that moves through space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > > > > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > > > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > > > > > > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > > > > > > > It's a mechanic. > > > > > > As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. > > > > They do. Bullets are fired in a straight line from eye line in the game and arrows are fired upward in an arc. > > LOL, in physics a projectile is any kind of object that moves through space. In real world physics, we can't jump around corners turning in mid-air either. Game physics =/= real physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > The rest applies fully, though. A bug that only affects Ranger, as Warrior Longbow HARDLY fires further than that. Thief Shortbow fires a little further too. None are as over the top as Ranger though and that definitely needs to be dialed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunjiKugashira.9754 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Alimar.8760" said: > Longbows arc and rifles fire straight. You can hit farther on the longbow if you're angled correctly but that doesn't mean your max range for auto attacking is any less or more than what it is said to have. The 1500 reach refers to the direct distance between player and target. Shortest path. The total distance an arrow flies, if you measure the arc, is more than that and should be more than that. That is because the arc is obviously longer than the direct line, so in order to hit a target at 1500 reach, the arrow has to travel more than 1500 units. The problem is that arrows travel even further than that 1500 reach. Even on flat ground. While bullets are outright deleted once they reach a distance of 1500 from their point of origin, arrows are not. They continue to fly until they either hit something or reach a distance significantly higher than what their tooltip says. From what I understand stray projectiles in GW2 aren't deleted based on how far they've traveled, but rather based on how long they've been alive. A projectile that's going in a straight line will always reach the same distance in the same time. An arced projectile however takes longer to reach a lower point than it takes to reach a higher one. In order to ensure that the projectile always reaches its intended distance, the lifetime variable was adjusted to the worst case scenario. This leads to the projectile over-reaching in all other scenarios. A possible solution to this problem would be to replace the lifetime mechanic with a real distance check. There are two variations to this: 1. Calculate the distance each frame and see if it passed max range. 2. Calculate the max distance coordinate once and check each frame whether the projectile has passed it. Another possible solution would be to dynamically calculate the time it would take the projectile to reach its maximum distance and use that as its lifetime. The time it takes to reach maximum distance can be calculated from the projectile's speed, the projectile's firing angle and the projectile's pivot point. Considering the fact that ANet hasn't touched these base mechanics in over 6 years, I wouldn't expect a fix any time soon or ever though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 In real life, period longbows could shoot significantly farther than any period firearm (that doesn't have a rifled barrel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugheszie.6291 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > > @"Hugheszie.6291" said: > > > > > > @"Hitman.5829" said: > > > > > > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > > > > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "max range"? Your auto-attack keeps repeating as long as the target is within 1500 units, which is your official max range. Longbows hitting targets further than that is a bug that hasn't been fixed since release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not so much a *bug* as an effect of the games projectile physics. > > > > > > > The rest applies fully, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Projectile physics my "Donkey". Why it does not work with bullets? > > > > > > Its a bug and anet refuses to fix it after 7 years. > > > > > > > > > > Arrows ark, bullets go straight. > > > > > > > > > > It's a mechanic. > > > > > > > > As far as physics go, bullets or arrows should follow the same laws of physics. > > > > > > They do. Bullets are fired in a straight line from eye line in the game and arrows are fired upward in an arc. > > > > LOL, in physics a projectile is any kind of object that moves through space. > > In real world physics, we can't jump around corners turning in mid-air either. > Game physics =/= real physics. > Don't tell me what I can't do. - John Locke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff.5312 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Ah - this must be why shortbow auto-attack is constantly failing. I have to spam 1 a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Alimar.8760" said: > Longbows arc and rifles fire straight. You can hit farther on the longbow if you're angled correctly but that doesn't mean your max range for auto attacking is any less or more than what it is said to have. Wrong angel doesn’t matter, elevation doesn’t matter, no matter what it is always the same distance, and Anet has not stated anywhere on this forum or the old forums that it’s intended game physics, the only thing that has ever been said by a dev is that all skills are supposed to have a 15% Range buffer to account for tracking, they did not state only certain skills have that, they said all. Even arcing “1200” Range attacks go further than “1500” Range attacks front Rifle kneeling etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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