Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I love how Mirage mains are like: "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asum.4960 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 The best way to avoid losing to Mirages is to quit playing PvP. I hear that's the strategy most people go with these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saerni.2584 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Kiting works in some cases if you can do it consistently. Won’t work against all builds. Results may vary if the Mirage is good and you are not. Mirage may not need to be significantly better than you. Generally, don’t 1v1 a Mirage and you will do much better assuming both you and your allies are competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Don't worry. They are not good, and you might not be that bad. When the real nerf comes, have a vial ready to collect the salt from all the "mesmer main" tears. It will be worth it's weight in gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoknocks.4935 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a damn power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > > > > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. > > Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. > Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. > > Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". > And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a kitten power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. > > This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. > > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. This food is used in WvW by Mirages: Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, 100% Chance to Gain Might on Dodge, +40% to Endurance Regeneration. Energy Sigils that grant +50% endurance are used in WvW by Mirages. DATS A LOT OF MIRAGE CLOAK BOI Yes because fighting something that you cannot hit is a l2p issue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abazigal.3679 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. I'm not disagreeing on this, but.... Whether it was turret engis, hambows, DH's and even scourge the L2P had a huge part because people were standing in AoE though you could see it. People refused to learn, though it wasn't so hard to simply avoid the fight. Now we have mirage, who you cannot see, deals stacks of conditions, and sometimes even hits you out of no idea. Can you really blame players for a l2p issue ? Now if we're being honest, condition spamming has always been an issue in the game, there clearly needs tutorials to mitigate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > > > > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > > > > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > > > > > > > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. > > > > Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. > > Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. > > > > Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". > > And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a kitten power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. > > > > This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. > > > > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. > > This food is used in WvW by Mirages: Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, 100% Chance to Gain Might on Dodge, +40% to Endurance Regeneration. > Energy Sigils that grant +50% endurance are used in WvW by Mirages. > DATS A LOT OF MIRAGE CLOAK BOI > > > Yes because fighting something that you cannot hit is a l2p issue. You forgot to mention adventurer rune for another 50 endurance on heal for the whole package. The player you referred to: well it's not worth to answer to such bull-sh!t because that's a straw man argument he is throwing in. His experiences in meeting some players who could not distinguish between condi and power damage have nothing to do with the question whether mirage is overpowered or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 _pls delete_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyra.4709 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 The only times I've been able to lock down a mirage is when playing a joke build. None other than full venomshare + thieves guild combo. Instant 30-40 poison stacks + all kinds of other... unhappy condi's. If you adamant on sticking to warri then play a self sustain build and try to hold the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoknocks.4935 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"KrHome.1920" said: > The player you referred to: well it's not worth to answer to such bull-kitten because that's a straw man argument he is throwing in. His experiences in meeting some players who could not distinguish between condi and power damage have nothing to do with the question whether mirage is overpowered or not. It does. The people who can't even distinguish a power from condi build are the ones who comes to the forum and cry that mirage is OP because they got killed by it, but if you can't even distinguish a power from a condi build you are a noob who lacks of knowledge. When I play any other profession and I fight other mirages I know how to deal with them because I know the profession, because I played it. If you never played it, you lack of knowledge and that's why you get killed easily, the more noob you are, the more it's easy to get killed by a mirage, simple as that. Even a warrior seems unkillable when he rotate between double endure pain, shield block, full counter, gs evade, double dodge, poassive stability proc and repeat, but with time knowing the profession you can outplay warriors, same for mirages. Mirage is overtuned and it's true, same as boonbeast and holosmith, but a good 50% is a l2p issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > The player you referred to: well it's not worth to answer to such bull-kitten because that's a straw man argument he is throwing in. His experiences in meeting some players who could not distinguish between condi and power damage have nothing to do with the question whether mirage is overpowered or not. > > It does. > > **The people who can't even distinguish a power from condi build are the ones who comes to the forum and cry that mirage is OP because they got killed by it, ** This is just not true at all. 90% of feedback vs. Mirage is clearly discussing fine game mechanics, properly worded terms of skills and their effects, with detailed suggestions on how to fix it. That's a strong indication that the people saying Mirage is overpowered, know the game well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > > > > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > > > > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > > > > > > > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. > > > > Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. > > Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. > > > > Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". > > And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a kitten power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. > > > > This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. > > > > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. > > This food is used in WvW by Mirages: Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, 100% Chance to Gain Might on Dodge, +40% to Endurance Regeneration. > Energy Sigils that grant +50% endurance are used in WvW by Mirages. > DATS A LOT OF MIRAGE CLOAK BOI > > > Yes because fighting something that you cannot hit is a l2p issue. > >  > If Jeice, Burter, and Ginyu from the Ginyu Force had trained as hard as Goku had at that point in his life they would have been able to hit him. Also a Mirage don't need to move. This is more accurate.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuriken.6738 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 the proper way of fighting a mirage is not fighting them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 @"mortrialus.3062" indeed it is. @"Shuriken.6738" To beat the Mirage, you must be the Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTruth.6813 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Facts and logic is hard. If you can layer and layer your evade over and over, and you have instant cast attacks to back those layered evades, and you have portal/z-axis teleport for when you mess up, then why are people still defending it? This is just borderline advocating socialism: making the most unskilled player look like he does a lot of work but he doesn't. P.S I'm still waiting for Mesmer mains to show they are better than Chaith by landing 1200 range grenades on core engi for example. Chances are it's realistically too hard mode for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > > > > > > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > > > > > > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > > > > > > > > > > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. > > > > > > Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. > > > Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. > > > > > > Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". > > > And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a kitten power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. > > > > > > This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. > > > > > > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > > > > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. > > > > This food is used in WvW by Mirages: Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, 100% Chance to Gain Might on Dodge, +40% to Endurance Regeneration. > > Energy Sigils that grant +50% endurance are used in WvW by Mirages. > > DATS A LOT OF MIRAGE CLOAK BOI > > > > > > Yes because fighting something that you cannot hit is a l2p issue. > > > >  > > > > If Jeice, Burter, and Ginyu from the Ginyu Force had trained as hard as Goku had at that point in his life they would have been able to hit him. > > Also a Mirage don't need to move. This is more accurate. > >  > > > I knew someone would make an analogy with Obito's justsu. Even that justsu is under mirage's capabilities. When Obito use that technique, he can t get hit nor hit someone else either....whilst mirage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > @"whoknocks.4935" said: > > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > I love how Mirage mains are like: > > > > > > > > > > "Mirage isn't OP it's a l2p issue. Look, if you do this and do that, and do it 110% perfectly at the performance level of the Abjured during their peak, you can deal damage to us. See? it was a l2p issue all along. You guys need to stop complaining." > > > > > > > > > > Some of the explanations they suggest for "how to deal with them" is like riding a camel through the eye of a needle. To act so nonchalant as if it were an easy thing to do consistently or even possibly at all, is ridiculous lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even tho this is pvp section I tell you something. > > > > > > > > Right now I roam solo in WvW with full zerk power mirage. > > > > Instead of using greatsword I am using staff for fun, I have zero condi stats and even if I get 25 might stacks my torment hit maybe for 20 damage or even less, I am full zerk gear with might infusion. > > > > > > > > Still everyday I receive 10 or more whispers by the guys I kill and they ALL call me "condi trash noob". > > > > And those guys are gold mithrill platinum rank as well, so it means they play WvW since a lot of time and they cannot even distinguish a kitten power from condi build, they see staff and they think it's condi. > > > > > > > > This "experiment" just shows how people is stupidly bad at the game and those are the people who come in the forum to cry and ask for nerfs. > > > > > > > > Mirage definitely needs adjustments, but in over 70% of the cases it's just a learn to play issue indeed and now I am always more sure about this after what happens in my whisper everyday. > > > > > > > > People are lazy to learn to play, simple as that. > > > > > > This food is used in WvW by Mirages: Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew, 100% Chance to Gain Might on Dodge, +40% to Endurance Regeneration. > > > Energy Sigils that grant +50% endurance are used in WvW by Mirages. > > > DATS A LOT OF MIRAGE CLOAK BOI > > > > > > > > > Yes because fighting something that you cannot hit is a l2p issue. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > If Jeice, Burter, and Ginyu from the Ginyu Force had trained as hard as Goku had at that point in his life they would have been able to hit him. > > > > Also a Mirage don't need to move. This is more accurate. > > > >  > > > > > > > > I knew someone would make an analogy with Obito's justsu. Even that justsu is under mirage's capabilities. > When Obito use that technique, he can t get hit nor hit someone else either....whilst mirage.... This is wrong. Obito's Kamui can specifically select exactly which body parts he makes intangible and which parts are in the real world. For example if he puts his stomach into the kamui dimension his hands are still in the real world and can attack you. Hence why when you see the kamui dimension when Kakashi is in it he specifically sees Obito's parts appear in the dimension, but not usually his whole body.  See here he went intangible to avoid a blow towards his stomach. As a result his stomach was vulnerable in the kamui dimension. The rest of him wasn't in danger and thus weren't sent to the kamui dimension and thus theoretically free to attack. I'd love to post some Lemillion gifs too, but unfortunately the guy ends up fighting naked a lot because his clothes frequently fall off while becoming intangible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodesh.2851 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 > @"Ronnie Hu.1694" said: > I m w@rrior . Anytips? I dunno how to fight mirage . Blink , stealth , evade , infinite dodge what else? Stun -> attack, repeat as needed. yw bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck.2864 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Remember most condi Mirage players out there right now are not really Mesmer players nor are they necessarily good players. They're what we call bandwagon players. I picked up this tip from a stream - blow all your dodges and defensive CD's at the start of the fight. Just focus on not getting hit by anything. On Rev I basically go in with Staff + Shiro and don't waste energy, I just chain together dodges + riposting shadows + staff 3+ more dodges + staff 5 to basically cover the first 7-8 seconds of the 1v1 with 100% evade\block uptime. You'll be surprised at how often you basically come out of this with no condis on you and the Mirage having blown his entire condi burst - shatters, Axe 3, some ambush skills, pistol skills etc all on CD with nothing to show for it, because so many of them are used to just facerolling the keyboard at the start of the fight without even paying attention to what the enemy does and timing their attacks and still coming out ahead. The real laugh is that unfortunately, on Rev even avoiding the entire burst is not enough as even the incidental condition pressure from random autos, clones, whatever he has left is too much to deal with. But I can give them more of a fight than I used to be able to do, almost by answering their brainless spam with brainless spam of my own. Obviously I only do this in WvW or whatever, in PvP the truth is most specs should not pick the 1v1 with a cmirage, certainly not Rev. But you can do something similar with Warrior. Just operate under the assumption most of them aren't very good and will blow most of their CD's instantly because that's what they usually do, so just go in and chain shield block, GS3, full counter, dodges etc. If you come across a real Mesmer player who is good then you're dead meat if you do this but this brainless tactic is surprisingly effective against most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Ive seen Rampage hurt Mirages a lot lol. All the CC, gap closer and damage. If you can stick on them, you have a good chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Order.7258 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Realize if there are mirages in your match you're going to have a cancerous time. I enjoy those few matches when we don't have any mirages in the game. Just come in for your pve rewards and get out before you become terminally ill. And if you are looking for something remotely competitive this game is not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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